Above 1200 Sq/FT Monitor-style Barndominium
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
Nolift911
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Looks awesome!
TerryH
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Wow! Very cool thread and VERY cool building. Thanks for sharing.
larry4406
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Nice job on the stairs! They look near identical to the factory stairs we use at the day job.I got the main water line trenched in, partially to get another inspection done and make sure my permit stays active. There wasn’t too much to it. A day on the trencher…note the frost line here is laughably shallow compared to where I grew up.
And some quality time with the core drill to go through the basement wall.
No photos, but I did a 1-1/2” PVC with Fernco couplings to seal the 1” water line. The inspector just said, “Sweet!” when he saw it.
The other thing I got accomplished was building a small flight of steps from the shop side into the apartment. This was a dry run at building “housed stringer” stairs like I’m planning to do for the loft. In this case it was all materials from Lowe’s…I’ve sourced hardwood treads and risers for the big set.
These have pockets routed into the stringers for the treads and risers. Then they’re glued and wedged together.
Pocket screws are used to pull everything together. This was my first experience with a Kreg jig…pretty cool!
Installed…these are crazy stiff and quiet considering they’re mostly 1x material. They’re just a more efficient use of material than notched stringers and rough treads/risers with finished stuff added on top.
I see that your top stair nosing is flush with the deck. Here they measure the rise height to the top of the adjustable door sill. With the doors we use, the sill top ends up being 1.5" above the deck. That stair would not pass inspection here with a door that uses a conventional adjustable sill.
larry4406
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At basement doors, we form a dropped section of the slab about 1/2" down. This stops wind driven rain from coming in under the door.Then I hired a pro to come in and get the grade fixed up.
Thanks for the insight on the code...I did reduce the rise of the top step, but not a full 1.5". I made the nosing flush with the deck so the door threshold could lap over it. Hopefully I don't run into a problem...the steps in the garage of my house are the same way, which was built in 2018.
Our shop has been closed this week, so I've taken advantage of the time to knock out a bunch of stuff.
First, I have the basement doors nearly wrapped up. This photo is when I was getting the bullet hinges welded on them...had the doors and frame laid out and squared on the garage floor to weld them on. I took a little different approach on the basement using the bullet hinges instead of using a more standard ball bearing hinge. Much lower effort to weld them in place vs. milling pockets in the tubes and making plates for conventional hinges.
From there, I've been working on getting all the exterior trim in place to prepare for siding. The front and back porch ledgers were part of this as well.
I had the trim milled at a local place that sells hardwoods. It's a mixture of yellow pine and red grandis. I found a Fine Homebuilding article about trim, with a suggested method for trimming windows by building the trim on the ground, then installing as a unit after it's been painted. That article included a sill profile to help shed rainwater, which I had done in red grandis.
Here's trim for one of the 4' x 2' windows on the welding table getting glued up. A nice flat surface is good for woodworking as well!
Mocked up on one of the windows...I have 13 total of this size to build yet.
And...a pair of finished 3' x 1' windows. I started with the smallest windows on the back of the building to figure out the process.
First, I have the basement doors nearly wrapped up. This photo is when I was getting the bullet hinges welded on them...had the doors and frame laid out and squared on the garage floor to weld them on. I took a little different approach on the basement using the bullet hinges instead of using a more standard ball bearing hinge. Much lower effort to weld them in place vs. milling pockets in the tubes and making plates for conventional hinges.
From there, I've been working on getting all the exterior trim in place to prepare for siding. The front and back porch ledgers were part of this as well.
I had the trim milled at a local place that sells hardwoods. It's a mixture of yellow pine and red grandis. I found a Fine Homebuilding article about trim, with a suggested method for trimming windows by building the trim on the ground, then installing as a unit after it's been painted. That article included a sill profile to help shed rainwater, which I had done in red grandis.
Here's trim for one of the 4' x 2' windows on the welding table getting glued up. A nice flat surface is good for woodworking as well!
Mocked up on one of the windows...I have 13 total of this size to build yet.
And...a pair of finished 3' x 1' windows. I started with the smallest windows on the back of the building to figure out the process.
captain14
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I really like the overhangs over the garage doors. Would you consider them “brows”?
I had the same thought after building a handrail for my mother’s side door. She has 3 steps and needed a handhold as she goes up and down for safety and security. I wish I had built the posts and handrail on the ground or table as one piece and installed it as a unit to the steps.
I had the same thought after building a handrail for my mother’s side door. She has 3 steps and needed a handhold as she goes up and down for safety and security. I wish I had built the posts and handrail on the ground or table as one piece and installed it as a unit to the steps.
zmotorsports
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Looking great Graham. I like the eyebrows over the doors.
Cdubu52
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Graham, I saw your post in another thread about the weathered tin sheets. I have been thinking the same for my shop. I have had some luck stopping in at the county waste collection centers around my area. I look in the scrap metal bins and sometimes they have full sheets that you can grab for free. Also, I made my own for a project that I did. You can get new galvanized panels at a big box store and spray them down with muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide and create new weathered panels.
Norwell Equipped
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Graham.. what a KILLER build!!!!!!!!!!!
More progress on trim. I’m making blocks out of 8/4 red grandis for the electrical boxes. The round boxes for the exterior lights are a bit of a challenge because of the mounting lugs and screws…
I ended up making a router jig so I could use a top bearing bit to make pockets for the lugs and allow the trim to sit flush against the wall.
I think it’s going to work out OK.
I have a little bigger gap than I would prefer to caulk, but the boxes have a bit of a draft angle so the gap is a lot smaller on the back side. Only have nine more of these to make…
I ended up making a router jig so I could use a top bearing bit to make pockets for the lugs and allow the trim to sit flush against the wall.
I think it’s going to work out OK.
I have a little bigger gap than I would prefer to caulk, but the boxes have a bit of a draft angle so the gap is a lot smaller on the back side. Only have nine more of these to make…
I took this photo last night...first time I've really seen the place lit up. This was just a work light so I could see to run the miter saw. When it's finished, I think the whole neighborhood will see when I'm working in the shop at night!
The pallet in the foreground is my first 10 square of Hardie Plank siding. I'm planning to get this put up during our Christmas break. The local building supply did their best ACME impersonation today...I emailed my rep before lunch and it showed up around 2:00!
The pallet in the foreground is my first 10 square of Hardie Plank siding. I'm planning to get this put up during our Christmas break. The local building supply did their best ACME impersonation today...I emailed my rep before lunch and it showed up around 2:00!
zmotorsports
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Looks great Graham. I was wondering what you were doing for the exterior, I guess the Hardie Plank in the foreground answered my question.
Yep. I initially wanted to do white cedar shingles and let them age to silver. I have photos of a shop saved on my Instagram that is exactly the look I was going for...but finding out what the longevity of the cedar was if unfinished, then the cost led me to doing Hardie to match the house. It was over 3x the cost to do cedar...I couldn't justify it.
kj_mustang
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Wow, cause Hardie is definitely not cheap either.
zmotorsports
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Looking forward to hear your experience and thoughts on the Harie Board. I know nothing of it really, but when we were looking at houses back in 2016 there were several that had Harie Board and many of the newer ones being built were using it.
We have Hardie siding on the house presently, and my impression is favorable. It was installed and painted in 2018 and still looks great. It's definitely an upgrade from vinyl, especially since the sun here is brutal on anything that lives outdoors. This will be my first attempt at installing Hardie, but honestly is seems like there are fewer tricks involved than with hanging vinyl. I picked up a Dewalt siding nailer and Makita fiber cement shear for the siding part of this project.
I opted to go with wood trim and aluminum soffit/fascia on the barndominium because I'm doing a few things that are more custom than the standard profiles and the composite trim is not real water resistant. We've had a couple places where the trim got dinged and it swelled after water contact. The aluminum soffit is an overall cleaner look since it has hidden vents and the seams aren't obvious...the Hardie soffit has exposed vents and seams.
I opted to go with wood trim and aluminum soffit/fascia on the barndominium because I'm doing a few things that are more custom than the standard profiles and the composite trim is not real water resistant. We've had a couple places where the trim got dinged and it swelled after water contact. The aluminum soffit is an overall cleaner look since it has hidden vents and the seams aren't obvious...the Hardie soffit has exposed vents and seams.
I continued to work on trim over the weekend. I got both 5’ x 5’ windows trimmed out, and got the head flashing installed over almost all the trim I’ve done so far.
I was also able to get the water table trim across the back. This involved blocking inside the wall for an electrical outlet and HVAC disconnects.
I need to wrap up the corner trim and some details…then I’ll be hanging siding on the back wall!
I was also able to get the water table trim across the back. This involved blocking inside the wall for an electrical outlet and HVAC disconnects.
I need to wrap up the corner trim and some details…then I’ll be hanging siding on the back wall!
Graham you're attention to detail is killing it, nice job!
I do have a question. This water table trim remark, what is that. Are you referencing the trim above the block and if so does that mean there’s potential for high water to that level?
I do have a question. This water table trim remark, what is that. Are you referencing the trim above the block and if so does that mean there’s potential for high water to that level?
Obviously thats where I was headed. Glad to hear that’s not the case.
In order to set the height of the electrical boxes for the exterior lights, I needed to get the dimensions of the goosenecks finalized. I spent some time on that tonight.
After doing some basic layout, I threaded the ends of some 1/2” schedule 40 pipe using a hand threader I picked up at “the world’s greatest garage sale” a number of years ago.
Two bends later, I ended up with this:
Now I have some dimensions to work with and a light to mock up to make sure it looks right. I’m going to drill some additional holes through the box for extra screws because I don’t trust the mounting lugs cast on the sides of it.
After doing some basic layout, I threaded the ends of some 1/2” schedule 40 pipe using a hand threader I picked up at “the world’s greatest garage sale” a number of years ago.
Two bends later, I ended up with this:
Now I have some dimensions to work with and a light to mock up to make sure it looks right. I’m going to drill some additional holes through the box for extra screws because I don’t trust the mounting lugs cast on the sides of it.
RickP
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I really like your monitor barn design, and especially your old school pencil & paper drafting of it.
Good luck getting this build finished!
Was that the last of the doors/windows? Looks like you're making good progress on getting it completely weather tight with the siding.
Those barn style lights are going to look great -- I've been thinking about designing something like that for my shed. How hard was it to bend that pipe?
Good luck getting this build finished!
zimman
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Awnings are EPIC.In preparation for concrete!!!
Zim
zimman
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The drafting is magnificent.Now that I'm over a year into this project and have something that resembles the drawings, it's time to start a build thread. Since my last garage build (link in my signature) I've moved south and had a lot of other changes happen. Part of that is building a barndominium that I'll be moving into with my fiancé once it's complete...
We're in the process of constructing a monitor-style barn with an overall footprint of 48' x 48'. A third of it will be apartment space with the remaining space being shop, a loft for my office with laundry and a second bathroom under the loft.
First...the drawings...
These were the result of many hours of head scratching while sitting at my drafting table. Pencil and paper here. My day job is very computer-centric and this was a good way to unplug while I was sorting things out.
And...where we're at right now:
A very long way to go before it's ready to move into, but like the drawings, only bigger!
Been a Draftsman for 50+ years and it still warms my heart.
Zim
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Thank you both for the compliments on the drafting! I love doing the manual drafting, though I completely understand why CAD has taken over from an efficiency standpoint. CAD doesn't have the soul of a pencil on paper drawing.
Yes, the basement doors were the last ones. The rest have been in for a while...I've been more focused on getting to the point I could get the siding installed, but I realized the basement doors had to be in place to finish the trim.
The pipe is super easy to bend...with the right equipment. I've been doing fabrication for quite a while, so I have a pair of benders (JD2 Model 4 and a Hossfeld). I used the JD2 to do this...it's a 1/2" pipe die on 3" centerline radius. It's only 0.840" diameter mild steel, so pretty much any manual tubing bender with the right die set should be able to do it.
zimman
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Amazing. typing one handed is hard. lol SEE ABOVE HIGHLITED
fabracitor too. love building things.
nice work on the garage. following
Zim
I spent yesterday continuing to get the trim details finished up on the back wall so I can start hanging siding. A lot of it isn’t real visible, but I did get one of the lights mocked up beside the back door to make sure it looks right before committing to the location of the box and trim.
Here’s what I ended up with:
I started out with the bottom of the light level with the bottom of the trim on the brow. It didn’t quite look right to me, and the gooseneck was above the roofline. I dropped it to make the trim block even with the brow trim…about 3-1/2” to get to where it is in the photos. Stuff only I’ll see, but it would have bugged me had I left it alone…
Here’s what I ended up with:
I started out with the bottom of the light level with the bottom of the trim on the brow. It didn’t quite look right to me, and the gooseneck was above the roofline. I dropped it to make the trim block even with the brow trim…about 3-1/2” to get to where it is in the photos. Stuff only I’ll see, but it would have bugged me had I left it alone…
RickP
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That change to the conduit bends looks even better than before.
It's hard to make consistent progress this time of year, with short days and variable weekend weather.
It's hard to make consistent progress this time of year, with short days and variable weekend weather.
zmotorsports
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Looking good Graham. Hope you had a good Christmas.
spazzyfry123
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Sheesh. I ought to start charging rent because you're apparently living in my head. This thing is nearly identical to what I've had envisioned for the bottom side of the property.
I can't seem to zoom in well enough on the plans to read the elevation dimensions. Do you have any other details you could share for the overall exterior? It looks like the wall height on the center portion is 10' which clearly isn't right. Did you happen to snap any shots during the framing? It looks incredible. Wish I had the welding/fabrication skillset. Kudos!
I can't seem to zoom in well enough on the plans to read the elevation dimensions. Do you have any other details you could share for the overall exterior? It looks like the wall height on the center portion is 10' which clearly isn't right. Did you happen to snap any shots during the framing? It looks incredible. Wish I had the welding/fabrication skillset. Kudos!
I have a bunch of pictures of framing…let me know if there’s anything specific you want to see.
The deck and flooring structure for the apartment. If I did it over, I would have gone with 2 x 12’s or done 12” centers. The 2 x 10’s on 16” centers have more bounce than I would like, though they’re within code.
The deck and flooring structure for the apartment. If I did it over, I would have gone with 2 x 12’s or done 12” centers. The 2 x 10’s on 16” centers have more bounce than I would like, though they’re within code.
