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Jeep, I just finished cleaning up a large selection of 1/2" and 1/4" drive sockets and such. Good quality build on every piece. Majority is unbranded but all looks the same and all came from an older 60s toolbox. There are two sockets marked STW, one from both drive sets. What leads you to say STW is a SW production? Just curious as AA got me nowhere. There's also a funky 1/2" to hex adapter in there too.1000025299.jpg1000025296.jpg1000025294.jpg1000025300.jpg
four.cycle has it right. We both have quite a bit of experience with the brand. If you get a chance, take a look at the Walden thread.
-Don
 
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Picked up this 3/8 drive set off eBay last week! I threw in my other spares in case someone needs some? Paid $30 plus shipping. It’s missing a 9/16 and a 6” extension and hinge handle if someone has those? Exterior is rough in terms of paint so it will get a repaint this summer for
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I left a bunch of sockets behind Wednesday at the Castro Valley estate sale pre-sale. I think they were 1/2” drive. Tomorrow is the last day of the sale, maybe the prices will be lower.
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Here's another 1/4" set, looks pretty much unused

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Came across this Speedmaster archive today 1/2 mile from my car across a flea market grounds and told the guy I would never buy this and drag it that far back to my car… Unfortunately/fortunately the seller proved me wrong with his price offer
 

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Came across this Speedmaster archive today 1/2 mile from my car across a flea market grounds and told the guy I would never buy this and drag it that far back to my car… Unfortunately/fortunately the seller proved me wrong with his price offer
Nice set! What does the box exterior look like?
 

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SpeedMaster set on FB MP.

1940's Speed Master Frankenstien 1/2" socket set, originally had lifetime warranty from Wright Tool. Seaside, OR $100
 

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Came across this Speedmaster archive today 1/2 mile from my car across a flea market grounds and told the guy I would never buy this and drag it that far back to my car… Unfortunately/fortunately the seller proved me wrong with his price offer
Is there a part # on that cross bar?
 

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Came across this Speedmaster archive today 1/2 mile from my car across a flea market grounds and told the guy I would never buy this and drag it that far back to my car… Unfortunately/fortunately the seller proved me wrong with his price offer

I just noticed this box again. This is killer given its condition and logo. Let me be the first to say I hate you again :):ROFLMAO:(y)
 

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Picked up this cool carry box a few days back. It's just like my proto/plomb 100HR boxes in every physical way. It's very dirty but is very solid and not rusty. For $10 it went home with me! You guys see any ones like this in OD? I'm used to seeing them in blue not green.
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Looks to have been made by McAleer. Many of those wartime boxes don’t have the manufacturer’s markings. Can I see a full picture of the tray? Here is my Plomb marked example. IMG_2227.jpegIMG_2228.jpegIMG_2230.jpeg
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Picked up this cool carry box a few days back.
Fantastic find, Smoke! :love: That would be fun to fill up! (I'm used to putting 100+ GMTK tools in the hip roof flip tops, which will pull your arm out of its socket testing your old man strength..., but I presume it's probably a much more comfortable tote for even the largest Speedmaster set.) Good luck preserving that label in the clean-up.
It's just like my proto/plomb 100HR boxes in every physical way.
I like your allusory thinking here. We know Plomb was supplying Monkey Ward's with tools for their Speedmaster sets in the 40's. The HR100 first shows up in Plomb Catalog 19-R THIRD PRINTING, which I dated to NET 10/1946 and NLT 3/1948. They were advertised as "red", but the OD examples disprove that being exclusive, and suggests earlier (late wartime) production. It's reasonable to assume if MW was buying tool-sets from Plomb, they were also buying boxes from them.

Not to dispute Don - frankly, I'm not sure I was fully paying attention to his attribution to McAleer before, but I have the OEM of the Plomb 100HR boxes as "Duplex" in my notes. I can't find whether my justification was deduction (we know Duplex was supplying Plomb with toolboxes as early as 1940's, and we can reasonably infer they may have also supplied the 100HR's) or if we had evidence.

It's plausible Plomb was buying them from McAleer, which got into the GMTK (Ordnance Dept) hip roof flip-top box biz through the Signal Corps. (Its HQ, depot, and procurement and logistics hub, managing thousands of items and a supply training school, was located in Philly during WWII, many of its suppliers were local, and it used the same type box for their largest TL set.) But your box and the Plomb/MW connection makes me wonder about Duplex due to the Plomb/Duplex connection.
 

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Looks to have been made by McAleer. Many of those wartime boxes don’t have the manufacturer’s markings. Can I see a full picture of the tray? Here is my Plomb marked example. IMG_2227.jpegIMG_2228.jpegIMG_2230.jpeg
My stenciled GMTK box.IMG_8837.jpeg
McAleer marked box.IMG_0278.jpegIMG_0279.jpeg
-Don
Thanks. I already checked the tray and there is no oiler hole. That was the first thing I looked for.
Fantastic find, Smoke! :love: That would be fun to fill up! (I'm used to putting 100+ GMTK tools in the hip roof flip tops, which will pull your arm out of its socket testing your old man strength..., but I presume it's probably a much more comfortable tote for even the largest Speedmaster set.) Good luck preserving that label in the clean-up.

I like your allusory thinking here. We know Plomb was supplying Monkey Ward's with tools for their Speedmaster sets in the 40's. The HR100 first shows up in Plomb Catalog 19-R THIRD PRINTING, which I dated to NET 10/1946 and NLT 3/1948. They were advertised as "red", but the OD examples disprove that being exclusive, and suggests earlier (late wartime) production. It's reasonable to assume if MW was buying tool-sets from Plomb, they were also buying boxes from them.

Not to dispute Don - frankly, I'm not sure I was fully paying attention to his attribution to McAleer before, but I have the OEM of the Plomb 100HR boxes as "Duplex" in my notes. I can't find whether my justification was deduction (we know Duplex was supplying Plomb with toolboxes as early as 1940's, and we can reasonably infer they may have also supplied the 100HR's) or if we had evidence.

It's plausible Plomb was buying them from McAleer, which got into the GMTK (Ordnance Dept) hip roof flip-top box biz through the Signal Corps. (Its HQ, depot, and procurement and logistics hub, managing thousands of items and a supply training school, was located in Philly during WWII, many of its suppliers were local, and it used the same type box for their largest TL set.) But your box and the Plomb/MW connection makes me wonder about Duplex due to the Plomb/Duplex connection.
Very good point. If we found out duplex was supplying plomb these hip roof boxes, i certainly wouldn’t be surprised. But I have absolutely no evidence to either support or refute that theory.
 

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There is no reason to think that the tray would have an oiler hole on a toolbox supplied to Wards. I was just interested to see the interior of the tray. I would like to see a documented Duplex box in that configuration, right down to the shape of the corner supports.
-Don
 

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If we found out duplex was supplying plomb these hip roof boxes, i certainly wouldn’t be surprised.
There would be no reason to be surprised by Duplex as a supplier and plenty of reason to expect it - since we know as a matter of fact that they were making and supplying the large rollers and top boxes for Plomb in the 1940's, establishing a relationship for toolboxes, in general, and we know as a matter of fact that they were making the hip roof flip-tops, in particular, for Pendleton Tool Industries, Inc. - as part of the PTII empire - at least as early as 1958, when PTII bought them out and moved them to Ft Smith, AR.

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But I have absolutely no evidence to either support or refute that theory.
Nor I. All I can find is an old post of mine in the Plomb thread identifying a box that Mintgrun found as Duplex. I gave no rationale at the time - other than explaining to him why it could also be McAleer based on construction, but not the other known makers - Hamilton, Union, or Waterloo. I was undoubtedly thinking that PTII's later acquisition indicated they had already been using them as a supplier. My matter-of-factness leads me to believe I had provided the rationale somewhere else, at some other time, but I can't find it.

The earliest I can date Duplex to making hip roof flip-tops when they were still in Sherman, NY, and independent, is 1955.

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Can't wait to see it again sometime in the (hopefully near) future with that Speedmaster decal showing and a set of Plomb-made Speedmaster tools in it!

I just looked through all the Plomb/Proto catalogs between 1946 and 1962 again. The box and specs exhibit amazing consistency, with a slight difference from it listed as 21" to listed as 22" in 1949, and it finally loses the feet (corner supports) in 1960, which is very consistent with industry, and, if anything, a little later than most boxes of this type. I really wish there was enough detail in the catalog renderings to count piano hinge elements, but there's not. All the Proto boxes I have seen have 2 or 3 x as many (34) on these wartime versions. Without a marking, I'm not definitively convinced one way or another. It could be an unmarked McAleer. Plomb asking Duplex to make them, since they were already supplying them other toolboxes, and ended up buying them out, also makes sense to me. Maybe we can resolve it one day.
 

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Come across a fair amount of plomb out west here. Grabbed this guy at a swap meet pretty cheap.
 
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