More Milwaukee M12 love....

[TheGrooveking]

I figured I post an updated photo of my Milwaukee M12 drawer, which soon will be two drawer as soon as my next 4 pieces arrive Overall I'm very impressed with them. I have four more batteries coming in too, all XC.

TheGrooveking

 

[DrkMtnDew]

i just turned green with envy. love the M12.

 

[fr0mastaj]

Oh my.

 

[Monte]

nice collection !!
can i borrow something ?

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

How long does battery last? Battery seems pretty compact.

 

[metal1313]

damn that is a pricey, yet lovely drawer..i have the i wants/green eyes of envy over soem of the pieces, esp the cutters for pvc and tubing

 

[TheGrooveking]

How long does battery last? Battery seems pretty compact.

The 1/4" impact driver will drive over 250 ( I lost count) 1-1/2" drywall screws through 1/2" plywood into 2x4's before needing a battery change.

TheGrooveking

 

[DHCrocks]

damn....

theres 4 more items? looks like you got everything already except the camera.

those are way too nice condition, get to using them already.

 

[canuckian]

holy bejeesus! and i thought my 4 m12 pieces were a lot! I didn't know they had a rotary tool...next powertool purchase for me!

that 90 degree drill has to be one of the handiest powertools I've ever owned.

 

[walrus]

What is the tool all the way to the left, beside the Sharpie?
Get the grease gun, it rules

I thought I had alot of M12 stuff, the impact driver with the bigger battery has driven 1.5 #10 screw thru my steel metal roof and into strapping, did at least 200 screws today without a charge.

 

[wmartin]

Uh, oh. I hear they just came out with an M13 line with higher capacity batteries that aren't interchangeable with the old models.

 

[walrus]

Uh, oh. I hear they just came out with an M13 line with higher capacity batteries that aren't interchangeable with the old models.

M12 has a higher capacity battery already, I have one its great, have about 20 of the smaller ones
http://www.ohiopowertool.com/p-2710...-xc-battery-12v-high-capacity-48-11-2402.aspx

 

[muskaman67]

Sick. Awesome. Drool...

 

[Mr_fixit]

Oh, geeze, I thought they made the 12 volt stuff for girls... What ever happened to the v28 stuff.? Too heavy ?

 

[walrus]

Oh, geeze, I thought they made the 12 volt stuff for girls... What ever happened to the v28 stuff.? Too heavy ?

I've got tons of 28volt stuff also, one of my favorite tools is the 28v metal saw, freakin thing rules. But I'm old and lighter is way easier on the body.

 

[TheGrooveking]

damn....

theres 4 more items? looks like you got everything already except the camera.

those are way too nice condition, get to using them already.

Between the 1/4 hex impact driver and screwdriver they've driven over 4,000 screws. The 3/8" impact wrench has been used a lot, if you saw a closeup of them you'd see they are from fresh. The PVC shear and the copper tubing cuter have been used for a few projects already. So they see use, and will see more. The scanner has many hours on it scanning concrete floor, some idiot(ex-VP - now fired) had the previous Plant Engineer run many electrical runs in the floor, not to mention dozens of data cable runs in conduit. So drilling into the floor for any reason results in them calling me as I forbid them from drilling without scanning first - of course no one had the intelligence to take photos prior to or during the pouring of the concrete floors. I always have to wipe the scanner down, so that if I grab and have to scan a wall I don't leave tracks (been there, done that).

I have both the 3/8" drill, 3/8" hammer drill, palm nailer and radio coming in next week, or later this week if UPS can find second gear on their trucks

TheGrooveking

 

[TheGrooveking]

holy bejeesus! and i thought my 4 m12 pieces were a lot! I didn't know they had a rotary tool...next powertool purchase for me!

that 90 degree drill has to be one of the handiest powertools I've ever owned.

They have a very cool jig saw coming out, a 1/4" drive ratchet and a 3/8" drive ratchet which I believe the ratchets will have 45 and 55 ft lbs of torque. coming out very soon.

TheGrooveking

 

[Stuey]

Which one's your favorite?

 

[greasemonkey44]

hey groove king i share the love ive got a hackzall, two drills, impact and a flashlight;l how good is the tubing cutter?
one like that would cut down my work load 90 percent during the summer, if it works well
nothing worse than being in an attic trying to cut copper tubing in 100* heat

 

[Stuey]

Forgot to mention - I'm VERY excited about the new ratchet as well.

Posted most recent specs and details in my Milwaukee cordless ratchets post on TG. Thus far, sight unseen, I'm pretty hopeful.

 

[IndyGarage]

I didn't know they had a "dremel" or anything about the ratchet.

I bought the M12 drill, driver, Mspector and Hacksall when they first came out. For drilling and driving I think they are great.

I was a bit disappointed with the Hacksall. It works fine for very light duty work, but for anything tough it doesn't have the guts.

For anything tough, I always have my V28's - which I love, but can be a bit heavy.

Right now my batteries are weak and I need some new ones. I think I'll go with a couple standard ones and one of the high capacities - one of the reasons you have the M12's is their compactness and the high capacity battery compromises this somewhat.

I must admit that last year I bought a set of the new Bosch 12v drill and driver. This is the second generation from Bosch and it blows the first generation Milwaukee M12's away on speed and power. Both probably have twice the power and 3x the speed. Whenever I'm go back to the Milwaukees (I keep one set in my toolbox and one at work) they seem horribly slow. I'm sure Milwaukee will trump Bosch again soon.

I still like some of the details on the Milwaukee's better - battery gauge - grip feel, but you can't beat the power from the Bosch. I also feel like Bosch's battery life is better right out of the box, but I haven't actually measured them.

 

[Stuey]

I didn't know they had a "dremel" or anything about the ratchet.

I bought the M12 drill, driver, Mspector and Hacksall when they first came out. For drilling and driving I think they are great.

I was a bit disappointed with the Hacksall. It works fine for very light duty work, but for anything tough it doesn't have the guts.

For anything tough, I always have my V28's - which I love, but can be a bit heavy.

Right now my batteries are weak and I need some new ones. I think I'll go with a couple standard ones and one of the high capacities - one of the reasons you have the M12's is their compactness and the high capacity battery compromises this somewhat.

I must admit that last year I bought a set of the new Bosch 12v drill and driver. This is the second generation from Bosch and it blows the first generation Milwaukee M12's away on speed and power. Both probably have twice the power and 3x the speed. Whenever I'm go back to the Milwaukees (I keep one set in my toolbox and one at work) they seem horribly slow. I'm sure Milwaukee will trump Bosch again soon.

I still like some of the details on the Milwaukee's better - battery gauge - grip feel, but you can't beat the power from the Bosch. I also feel like Bosch's battery life is better right out of the box, but I haven't actually measured them.

I keep waiting for Milwaukee to update their drill/driver, but they haven't yet.

The rotary tool came out in February or so, and the ratchet's not out yet.

Here are a few more new offerings that will be available starting next month:

Milwaukee M12 Jigsaw
Milwaukee M12 Realtree heated jacket - (I normally detest camoed tools, but I'll make an exception for this one)
Milwaukee M12 thermal imaging camera - specs actually look competitive, but price is still $2500, or about $2300 over my budget.


Regarding Bosch's 12V max - yep, they really do kick ***! Bosch also recently redesigned their batteries for better performance and greater charge capacity, but I'm not yet sure which kits it will be bundled in, or if it will only be available separately.

 

[4x4gearhead]

Wow Im impressed, a fine choice. You dont see a collection like that every day.

 

[TheGrooveking]

The Bosch 12 volt isn't as strong as the Milwaukee. I have the PS20-2 and the PS-40-2 and their equivalents from Milwaukee have more torque. Another guy at my work has the newer Bosch PS41 and the Milwaukee out torques it. We tested them using 1/2-13 bolts into a few steel plates, the Milwaukee would loosen anything the Bosch drove in, but the Bosch could not loosen what the Milwaukee drove in. We confirmed with two different torque wrenches that the Bosch was driving the bolts to a max of 71 ft lbs., were as the Milwaukee was doing 84 ft. lbs.. All tests were done with freshly charged new batteries.

TheGrooveking

 

[Stuey]

The Bosch 12 volt isn't as strong as the Milwaukee. I have the PS20-2 and the PS-40-2 and their equivalents from Milwaukee have more torque. Another guy at my work has the newer Bosch PS41 and the Milwaukee out torques it. We tested them using 1/2-13 bolts into a few steel plates, the Milwaukee would loosen anything the Bosch drove in, but the Bosch could not loosen what the Milwaukee drove in. We confirmed with two different torque wrenches that the Bosch was driving the bolts to a max of 71 ft lbs., were as the Milwaukee was doing 84 ft. lbs.. All tests were done with freshly charged new batteries.

TheGrooveking

Results can vary depending on the application. I have seen tests where the Bosch bests the Milwaukee, other times vise-versa. I have also seen Dewalt trump both a few times. Sometimes it's not about motor power but over-current protection. One particular Milwaukee tool I tried seems to have very sensitive over-current shut-off while I was able to smoke a Dewalt before it turned off.

Most people don't take 12V tools to their very limits, and I think power tool manufacturers are finally starting to see that, focusing their efforts on feel and function now more than shear power.

For the 1/2" bolts, did you use the M12 impact driver or impact wrench?

 

[mlittle29]

Guilty. I am an M12 Collector too. Somehow if I use the word collector, i don't feel as guilty for spending the cash.

My favorite is a toss up between the 3/8 chuck drill, and the Hackzall. Can't wait to get the ratchet and the dremmel tool.

GrooveKing - Really jealous of the SubScanner tool...want one really bad, but they are Pricey!

 

[TheGrooveking]

Guilty. I am an M12 Collector too. Somehow if I use the word collector, i don't feel as guilty for spending the cash.

My favorite is a toss up between the 3/8 chuck drill, and the Hackzall. Can't wait to get the ratchet and the dremmel tool.

GrooveKing - Really jealous of the SubScanner tool...want one really bad, but they are Pricey!

Nice collection/selection you've got there. Thanks for posting it gives me a better feel for the size of the palm nailer.

TheGrooveking

 

[TheGrooveking]

Results can vary depending on the application. I have seen tests where the Bosch bests the Milwaukee, other times vise-versa. I have also seen Dewalt trump both a few times. Sometimes it's not about motor power but over-current protection. One particular Milwaukee tool I tried seems to have very sensitive over-current shut-off while I was able to smoke a Dewalt before it turned off.

Most people don't take 12V tools to their very limits, and I think power tool manufacturers are finally starting to see that, focusing their efforts on feel and function now more than shear power.

For the 1/2" bolts, did you use the M12 impact driver or impact wrench?

We did both the Milwaukee M12 1/4" hex impact driver and the M12 3/8" impact wrench. The impact wrench is rated another 200 in.lbs higher, but I think you may be on to something there with the current limiters.

TheGrooveking

 

[mlittle29]

Nice collection/selection you've got there. Thanks for posting it gives me a better feel for the size of the palm nailer.

TheGrooveking

Yea, I haven't even used the palm nailer. I just thought it was a really cool tool to have. I will be building my daughter a playhouse this fall, so i am sure it will come in handy then.

 

[TheGrooveking]

What is the tool all the way to the left, beside the Sharpie?
Get the grease gun, it rules

I thought I had alot of M12 stuff, the impact driver with the bigger battery has driven 1.5 #10 screw thru my steel metal roof and into strapping, did at least 200 screws today without a charge.

The tool to the left of the sharpie is the Sub-Scanner.
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/tools/cordless-tools/m12-cordless-system/sub-scanner-m12-cordless-lithium-ion-detection-tool-kit/2290-21

TheGrooveking

 

[Greatbear]

I'm just as bad with Bosch 12V, though I have a couple DeWalt 12V tools (the inspection camera, flashlight, IR thermometer and a 3/8" impact wrench) and Milwaukee (Hackzall, MSpector, palm nailer and the rotary "dremel" tool). I am on my third rotary tool, and I have only used it once. First one smoked when I turned it on, the second did not work at all, and the current one is fine other than the bearings sound like ****. We'll see how it works out. I do like the power of the rotary tool compared to my 10.8V Dremel (no comparison, really, the M is twice the tool). I am awaiting the release of the ratchets. I use a Skil 7.2V 1/4 incher for auto work, as do my shop-mates. The Skil, while nice for light work, has a design flaw with the battery power monitoring circuitry that cuts the tool off prematurely. It has never been updated or released as a new model, and there is nothing decent IMO as a replacement. The M12 versions should be fantastic, though a bit larger overall.

 

[MN4x4]

I figured I post an updated photo of my Milwaukee M12 drawer, which soon will be two drawer as soon as my next 4 pieces arrive

TheGrooveking

Damn You, Groveking - now I have to go pick up more M12 tools 'cause that'll mean you have more than I do.

I'm telling my wife "It's Grooveking's fault."

 

[diesel research]

I can pull about 40-70 1/2" (5/16" thread) nylock nuts off service panels. A bit on the low side of battery life, and maybe could use a bit more umph. Ever now and then it will fail to remove one. Has better luck on 7/16" nuts, but occasionally struggles if rusted, or breaks the studs off.

 

[TheGrooveking]

I'm just as bad with Bosch 12V, though I have a couple DeWalt 12V tools (the inspection camera, flashlight, IR thermometer and a 3/8" impact wrench) and Milwaukee (Hackzall, MSpector, palm nailer and the rotary "dremel" tool). I am on my third rotary tool, and I have only used it once. First one smoked when I turned it on, the second did not work at all, and the current one is fine other than the bearings sound like ****. We'll see how it works out. I do like the power of the rotary tool compared to my 10.8V Dremel (no comparison, really, the M is twice the tool). I am awaiting the release of the ratchets. I use a Skil 7.2V 1/4 incher for auto work, as do my shop-mates. The Skil, while nice for light work, has a design flaw with the battery power monitoring circuitry that cuts the tool off prematurely. It has never been updated or released as a new model, and there is nothing decent IMO as a replacement. The M12 versions should be fantastic, though a bit larger overall.

Bosch is coming out with an almost identical 12 volt saw to the Milwaukee Hackzall and they have pretty cool inspection camera in the pipeline too. Personally I dig the Bosch stuff too, so if you get a chance throw up a pic. I too dig the DeWalt camera and thermometer better than the Milwaukee and will be getting them, and unfortunately the grip on the DeWalt 12 volt impacts is too small for my hands, I have to squeeze my fingers in there or leave my pinky out because the distance between the bottom of the motor and the top of the battery area is short

TheGrooveking

 

[TheGrooveking]

Damn You, Groveking - now I have to go pick up more M12 tools 'cause that'll mean you have more than I do.

I'm telling my wife "It's Grooveking's fault."

Do it! As I tell everyone, especially the wife "use me like a tool"

TheGrooveking

 

[TheGrooveking]

hey groove king i share the love ive got a hackzall, two drills, impact and a flashlight;l how good is the tubing cutter?
one like that would cut down my work load 90 percent during the summer, if it works well
nothing worse than being in an attic trying to cut copper tubing in 100* heat

I've only used the copper tubing cutter a few times so far and its worked well, the port on top of the head with the LED illumination is great, you can see the cut very clearly and its definitely much quicker than by hand. The only thing is that you have some clearance around the tubing to fit the head in very tight spots or limited access the ol' Imp cutter will be called upon once again.

TheGrooveking

 

[mlittle29]

Couldn't help myself this weekend at Home Depot....

Added this to the collection.

 

[BLACK DEATH]

Back from the dead, but you both have nice collections. I am looking at getting the M12 tools or others. I just cant decide what to get yet. So many choices

 

[muibubbles]

sickkk collection.. i love mine too! thanks to the hot deal index and the home depot sale that got me hooked!

 

[IndyGarage]

Based on this thread I went out and bought the M12 rotary, and really like it. It got me out of a jam the first time I used it. It is way more powerful than the corded dremel I bought a year ago. I do agree that it makes a lot of running noise, but I think that has something to do with the strength of the magnets in the motor and not the bearings.

I also bought a replacement XC battery and put it in my Hacksall, and it makes the tool what it should have been from the beginning.

For those who say that the Milwaukees are even close to as good as the 2nd generation Bosch drill and driver, you are wrong. I tested them side-by-side and both the Bosch models blew the Milwaukees away in both speed and power - no way you could call it even a close contest.

Not that the Milwaukee units are bad, or useless - they were better than the first gen bosch's, but the second generation ones are no comparison.

I've thought about the grease gun a couple times, but then go back and think "whats a few pulls on the grease lever", and decide it's automation overkill.