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Moving POCO ground on 480 delta?

Paperman

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The service coming into my building is a 1200A 480 Delta. The service was installed in the mid 70's as a best guess. The ground they have coming into the block structure clamps onto a 2" NG line. The gas line used to run all over the building and mainly to a large oven. The line is no longer in service and I want to demo it out. Whats the best course for getting the line moved? I'm not looking to spend big money for them to come do it, if it comes to that I can leave the pipe as is, I just wanted to pretty up the roof rafters and get rid of dead pipe. Ill take a picture or two soon to show what I have now.
 
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The service is not grounded to it, it is grounded to the service. Simply remove it but,,,,, I am inclined to put an amp meter on it and make sure no current is flowing on it first.
 
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Call your local electrician. He has the knowledge and the tools.

^^^ This, it's prob. only a bond to the gas line as a gas line should not be used as a grounding electrode, but a qualified electrician will be able to determine what is required.
 

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As said above, the gas line should not be used as a grounding electrode.

The connection to it is simply a bond so that if it becomes energized with fault current, the breaker protecting the offending circuit will be able to trip.

Do you have ground rods or a UFER?

Where does the wire from the gas line terminate at?
 

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The service coming into my building is a 1200A 480 Delta. ....I'm not looking to spend big money for them to come do it.

Sadly if you can't afford a professional you can't afford to run the system.
480 isn't for inexperienced persons to fiddle around with
 
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What are you going to be doing with this building?

As said above, 480v is NOT DIY.

You can get hurt real quick if you screw up.

Post some pics of what you have....
 
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Thank you all. I'm not your basic DIY guy. I work as a maintenance supervisor in the powerhouse of a large papermill. My electrical partners deal with 4160 and 480 everyday and I do have guidance, information and use of equipment through them. I have many machines in place that use the 480 with motors up to 25hp. I have not seen a ground like this attached to a gas line, I thought it was strange and figured members of this group may have seen an issue like this before. The POCO here is very good professional but charge accordingly and for a simple job I cannot see paying 100's of dollars for a quick answer as it would need few tiers of people involved to give me an answer though them. As far as hiring a electrician there are not many if any local electricians that would know much about a 480 service of this size. This is a small town and have little small industry, anyone who deals with this stuff is working for one of the larger companies and is not really "for hire".

This building was a steel tubing roller/ metal products manufacturer. They went under in the late 70s and the building was bought for its location a busy road close to the center of town. The front office portion of was remolded and transformed into retail space and still is today. You can see the crane rails and supports in the attic space above the store fronts. The large warehouse space as striped and mothballed for use as storage, all the was left is the 2T bridge crane and a lighting transformer. I have been looking for a new home with a barn/building for 2-3 years but nothing has been found that fit our needs. Now this came up for sale close to our current family business, with tenants installed and the warehouse was empty after the passing of the owners husband. Who wouldn't want an 80x120x16 building with a truck dock, house crane, 8" floor, 480 power and tenants that are paying for it for you? Hell even one of the tenants is a nail/beauty salon so even the wife is happy as she gets complimentary service! So now yall know my story.

Ill post some pictures soon, been a busy weekend. Its taken me 2 months of cleaning to remove all the "treasures" of the past. I was the first to do a real cleaning in 30+ years as there are still receipts and paperwork from the original owners dating to 78-79 on the steel building girts. I wish old places could talk.
 

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What are you going to do in it? I was up for buying a closed building here, bigger than that but converting some to frontal rental and dividing the rest but ****, it got to be too much. It was on a good incoming service from the poco, new line from station to town but it really needed someone/thing that needed the power. It would have been great for someone already in the rental biz. Shame was they were so willing to get from under it could have really rented so low it wouldn't have made sense to buy it. A local logging/trucking co with sawmill should have bought it or some cold storage. It had all the switch gear in and heat.
80x120 is a lot more manageable. Big enough to do truck work in. Boats too. Paper conversion (box factory) too. You got a dock, warehousing too.
 

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Are you sure its Delta and not wye?

The bond to the gas line shouldnt be hard to remove. I dont see the need to hire an electrician for that if you feel comfortable working around 480.

Pics would be helpful.
 
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I have a sparky from the mill coming to look it over, I was just thinking about it last night and figured Id run it past the group.

I have tried for 3 months to get answers from the POCO but they are pretty ****** when it comes to customer service it appears. Had to sign a bunch of forms to get the information, made contact with 3 different people and finally did receive one call back saying they would visit the site in the next few days and call back to answer my questions. Never happened, Consumers Energy for the win??? Wonder how long they would wait to call me if I didn't pay the bill?

My assumption is Delta from the way the transformers are wired and the fact I get 500V on all 3 legs, both phase to phase and phase to ground. I assume its 500 as with a 1000 amp load it would draw it down a bit. I share transformers with a neighbor that also has a large load center so they would need to support over 3000 amps if we were both at full tilt.

Ill get pics tonight, busy working at work on a 1953 GE Generating turbine, little 5 meg unit. Never cheap or easy it seems when GE is involved.
 
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