Mueller building owners please step in.

[OleKennyRoy]

I'm planning on purchasing one of these guys' buildings, but the gentleman I spoke to on the phone wasn't too helpful.

I'm looking at the 24x30x11 Garage, and I asked about foundation requirement for their building, and they said that they didn't provide that, it would come from my zoning/permit office.

Didn't really make sense to me since they engineered the building, it should have some requirements for the foundation, but whatever.

The concrete guy pretty much told me I was going to need a 1'x1' footer, and he planned for 4" thick floors, but I didn't get specifics on the reinforcement.

Did Mueller provide any specifics, dimensions, requirements etc. to you guys?

 

[roadrunner255]

Mueller here in Texas had a list of building erectors and concrete installers.

The erector may have concrete guys that they work with.

If you are going to install a lift you,ll need 6" of concrete in that area.

Good luck!

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[protegeV]

Mueller here in Texas had a list of building erectors and concrete installers.

The erector may have concrete guys that they work with.

If you are going to install a lift you,ll need 6" of concrete in that area.

Good luck!

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This!

I have a Mueller building being installed next week. My saleman gave me a list of preferred installers. I contacted 6 of them and through many phone conversations narrowed it down to the one I felt the most comfortable with. In turn, the builder had a specific concrete guy he works with. It just so happened that the builder and concrete guy that came with some of the best reviews also gave me the best price quotes.
For a 40x60x16 I was told 2'x2' footers and a 4" floor minimum, but I asked for a 6" floor. Now I don't know all the procedures with zoning, inspections, etc bc I live out in the county and don't have to worry about that nonsense

 

[OleKennyRoy]

I received a list of installers, but none are local to me. Turns out there is a building builder right around the corner from me though.

He gave me some recommendations with his quote.


2'x2' at the columns, 1'x1' perimeter + beam across the center, a 1.5" notch around the edge. 24'3"x30'3"

 

[protegeV]

I received a list of installers, but none are local to me. Turns out there is a building builder right around the corner from me though.

He gave me some recommendations with his quote.


2'x2' at the columns, 1'x1' perimeter + beam across the center, a 1.5" notch around the edge. 24'3"x30'3"

Mine was similar except the 2x2 was around the perimeter as well as the columns and the notch around the edge was 2"
But I'm also talking about a building twice the size.

 

[8mpg]

Im glad you got your answer but Mueller is in the steel business not the concrete business. If they made a recommendation without an engineering stamp, you could hold them liable for the concrete issues. Also, it depends on your specific soil. 100 yards down the road can be completely different.

 

[OleKennyRoy]

Im glad you got your answer but Mueller is in the steel business not the concrete business. If they made a recommendation without an engineering stamp, you could hold them liable for the concrete issues. Also, it depends on your specific soil. 100 yards down the road can be completely different.

Blah, blah, blah...

BendPak and VersaTube both gave slab/foundation requirements on their website.

There’s no reason they can’t give dimensions and recommendations for minimum requirements for their building.

 

[jkeyser14]

Blah, blah, blah...

BendPak and VersaTube both gave slab/foundation requirements on their website.

There’s no reason they can’t give dimensions and recommendations for minimum requirements for their building.

Would you be happy if they told you you didn't need a foundation at all and could just use RV anchors to hold the building down? Because as far as they are concerned, you could. The concrete is completely unrelated to their steel structure, which is why they don't give specs for it.

 

[OleKennyRoy]

I'm in the metal building business and I have never seen a manufacturer supply concrete specs. There are to many variables in soil conditions. The building company will provide reactions and bolt locations. With that information a local engineer will design the foundation. In some locations that don't have inspection requirements you will get various "good guesses" that may or may not be useful.

-snip-.

This is basically what I was looking for. Something along the lines of:

"You will need a slab 3" larger than the building footprint, with a 1.5"x1.5" sheathing ledge. The building will sit on 4 columns with a 6"x6" 4-bolt pattern, centered 9" from the corners. Use 3/4" j-bolts."

When the concrete guy suggested a 1'x1' footer, I was still planning on going with a VersaTube or stick building.

The building is supposed to be a pre-engineered bolt together kit, and I plan to be the erector for this build.

 

[roadrunner255]

This is basically what I was looking for. Something along the lines of:

"You will need a slab 3" larger than the building footprint, with a 1.5"x1.5" sheathing ledge. The building will sit on 4 columns with a 6"x6" 4-bolt pattern, centered 9" from the corners. Use 3/4" j-bolts."

When the concrete guy suggested a 1'x1' footer, I was still planning on going with a VersaTube or stick building.

The building is supposed to be a pre-engineered bolt together kit, and I plan to be the erector for this build.

You might want to compare the costs of a welded kit to the cost of a bolt together kit. I started out with a bolt together and ended up getting the welded kit. Some parts of the bolt together would need to be be welded anyway.

 

[protegeV]

You might want to compare the costs of a welded kit to the cost of a bolt together kit. I started out with a bolt together and ended up getting the welded kit. Some parts of the bolt together would need to be be welded anyway.

Same here. I saved money and feel better about the build quality of a weld up. Now if I was inside the city limits I wouldn't have a choice, but alas, I don't

 

[w33b8t1]

I agree with the OPs frustration. My opinion is the manufacturer doesn't want you to know because they want you to only think about the building price they are giving.

They can very well have some rough customer experience to offer people. "Our 30' span buildings usually require a minimum pier of 2'2' with grade beams in between columns based on some customers feedback. However we do not offer foundation advice or engineered designs......."

 

[w33b8t1]

I see you are from durango, what brand do you sell? are they fireproof .

 

[OleKennyRoy]

The building is a pre-engineered bolt together kit. The building!!! The concrete is a completely different piece of the project. They will supply the design reactions so that the foundation can be designed by someone else to properly support the building. I'll ask again. Are there permits involved?

Building permit is required, but engineering is not.


I'm not sure what you're getting at. There are certain features that will be the same no matter what's under the surface. Doesn't matter if the cement is 4" thick or 4', the columns will have the same flanges and still be spaced the same.

I wanted general information to give to my concrete guy, and I wondered what info was provided to others that have purchased from Mueller.

 

[OleKennyRoy]

w33b8t1, really? Fire humor. I have been evacuated for a week and do not know the condition of my home.

 

[w33b8t1]

I know the condition of your home. "No structures have been lost." Has only been repeated 500 times so far in every single article written.

The entire area needs to burn up as sad as it is. The beetle kill has made nothing but tinder out of a huge chunk of the area and nature needs to work through for new growth.

 

[Falcon67]

For footers I would look to what are the typical local requirements. The slab next door set up for a 40x60 used 18x18 footers. We have expansive clay here, so a bit larger footer can't hurt. I used 12x12 with grade beams but mine is only 24x40 stick built.

 

[OleKennyRoy]

For footers I would look to what are the typical local requirements. The slab next door set up for a 40x60 used 18x18 footers. We have expansive clay here, so a bit larger footer can't hurt. I used 12x12 with grade beams but mine is only 24x40 stick built.

No local requirement for buildings under 1,000 square feet other than greasing the palms of the bureaucrats, further from street than the house, and 5' from the property line.

Basically from what I was told at the permit office, you tell them what you plan to build, make a little lot plan, pay the man, start work within 6 months, and complete within 2 years or get a new permit.

After getting quotes from Mueller, Adco, and Mallett, I need to figure up what it would cost to build a stick building.