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My 20HP phase converter setup, 480V 3p

lametec

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Here are some pictures of my phase converter and distribution setup.

RPC is built on an old 20HP GE motor. 1725RPM. It's started by a 1.5HP pony motor.

The output is fed into a 480V to 240V transformer wired backwards, making 240V into 480V instead.

This all is mounted on a concrete pad outside the garage, with a little house to cover it. The front panels of the house come off for access. 20HP motor sits on motor mounts out of a Seadoo PWC. A lot cheaper than mounts than once made for electric motors.

On the inside is a main switch enclosure with 3 gauges for monitoring phase to phase voltages (pre-transformer) and an amp gauge for total amp draw. Also have start-stop buttons. The start-stop circuitry runs on 24VDC.

Over by the machinery (currently just sitting on top of the lathe), there's a box with start-stop switches as well, for remote start-stop. Some CAT5 cable feeds the remote, which leaves some wires left over for future expansion. It plugs into the side of the main control enclosure using a RJ45 connector.

The machinery is on the opposite corner of the garage from the phase converter, so that's why the remote.

It's all automatic, and a press of the start button engages the pony. Once up to speed, it disengages and the big motor is powered up. 1.8 seconds later the transformer is engaged. Total startup cycle takes about 5 seconds.

Power runs through conduit to L15-30 receptacles over by the machines.

The reason for running 480V is that my lathe has a 7.5HP two speed, single voltage motor, 7.5HP. Hard to find a 240V replacement at a decent price.
 

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lametec

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Picture of the Clausing and Myself. Please excuse the mess.. 24' x 24' two car garage, with enough stuff to fill a 50' x 50'. :)

It's a 1962 vintage Clausing Colchester, 15" x 48".

Out of view to the left sits a 1946 Bridgeport round ram, with a newer J-head on it.

Last addition is a 1970 Bridgeport with a 2J head. In the midst of overhauling it now. Will replace the worn out 1946.
 

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Excuse my ignorance but that 20hp motor outside is what is driving the lathe?

No, the 20hp is creating the 3 phase electric that is stepped up from 240v to 480v to run his 480v 3 phase lathe.

He's basically using the 3 phase 20 hp motor to creat the third phase of power.
 
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Like Jay said, the 20hp is not driving the lathe directly. It's used as a phase converter, making 3 phase electric. That 3 phase electric in turn powers the motor in the lathe after going through the transformer to up the voltage.
 
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2 questions:

a) how does this work? after the pony motor stops driving the 20hp motor, what keeps the motor spinning? do you power the 20hp on single phase and then tap into the motor leads to get the 3 phase? i understand that if you turn a motor then it will generate current. what is turning the 20 hp motor after the pony motor drops out?

b) how much did it cost to set this up? how much of a loss is there in this setup? (power in vs power out - how much is loss to friction etc.) i'm geussing a lot of this was pieced together from surplus/used parts? please tell me of sources, etc.

ben

p.s. no insults intended, just looking to understand this. i have a 3 phase 3 horse motor driving a compressor i bought and am looking into options to "make it work". one day i can see myself having more 3 phase equipment....
 
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reinhardt:

a) A 3-phase motor only needs 3 phases to start turning. Once turning, single phase will keep it turning, and like you said, the motor generates the 3rd leg. Same thing with single phase motors. The start capacitor and start winding is only connected on startup, then it's disconnected.

b) Cost.. Not sure. Got the 20HP motor for $70 from a friend. Got the 1.5HP pony for $1 off eBay. Paid $70 for the transformer off Craigslist. A couple relays and misc small items were free from a friend. The rest (even the THHN wire) was bought cheap on eBay. "Best offer" is great for this kind of stuff. Probably about $250-$300 invested in the RPC setup. The building to house it was another $100.

930dreamer (996 dreamer myself, but would gladly "settle" for a 930!):
Transformer is 35kVA. Way oversize, but it was the right price. I'll add a panel when I come across one for "dirt cheap" (read: free). As it is, I only power 2 machines, so really no need for a panel.
 

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next question (and you believed me when i said just 2!):

what size 3 phase motor do i need to generate enough 3 phase power for a 3 hp motor? this seems like an interesting build.

ben
 

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careful with the arc flash hazard present with 480v.....
 
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