My attempt to make a better hose coupler
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American Locomotive
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That's not to say the Stars we had didn't make us money, they were definitely good to us! Now we're also starting to get into Nomuras, which are unbelievably cheap machines. But if they're at least 1/3rd as good as the Tsugamis, we'll be happy.
American Locomotive
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It's a very small CNC swiss without a sub spindle. We do have a lot of cam operated machines as well, but I really only deal with the CNC stuff, not the cam driven stuff.
bob15
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A framing gun doesn't release air any faster than any other tool. The size of the framing gun coupler is the same any other tool and will only allow so much out at one time due to the couple ID.
What you are actually seeing is that the framing gun has a larger volume of air inside it than most air tools you have probably touched.
Does that include the air tools I designed?
Are you kidding me? That's equivalent to saying the flow rate from an orifice is independent of the upstream pipe size.
Well..... it is once the supply is large enough that the flow through the orifice is at the limit.
I have done zero math (and have no desire to do so) to determine if venting an air tool results in transsonic flow through the fitting. If it does I suspect it would be for a very short period.
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bob15
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Does that include the air tools I designed?
Are you kidding me? That's equivalent to saying the flow rate from an orifice is independent of the upstream pipe size.
Show me your test data that say the flow rate coming out of a framing gun male ****** when disconnected is faster than other air tools.
And why exactly would I want to do that exactly?
Part of the testing I do when designing couplers and plugs is to find their failure points. In testing these plastic prototypes I found that I couldn't get them to fail to hold in the safe vent position at the max air pressure I can supply of 175PSI when connected to 1/2" ID hoses. The only way I could get them to fail was when connected to a large framing nailer.
I thought this was odd and then realized the nailer has a very large internal bore after the 3/8NTP fitting. This results in very little internal pressure drop when the coupler is disconnected.
I am not even working on this at the moment as I have many other more important projects going on.
I had to stop work on this project when I signed a NDA with Milton Industries 6 months ago.
Simply not enough time to work on it.
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Sberry... I have a couple of 100' portable hand carry air hose reels (by Rapid Reel, with self supporting stands). I can have both connected to a semi portable compressor at once, providing two separate circuits of air, often regulated to different pressures, deployed simultaneously.
Sometimes, I want to disconnect one of the hose reels, and daisy chain it to the end of the other, to achieve 200 feet of reach without moving the compressor, since extending the air hose adds tank volume, and extending the power cord adds electrical heat, load, and loss of power.
When I disconnect a 100 foot air hose, there is a lot of air in that long skinny flexible air 'tank'. I don't mind dumping that air, but I'd rather not waste the air already in the steel air receiver, and I'd rather not waste the electricity pumping the entire air receiver back up again after the disconnect. And it sometimes takes a bit of wincing to use the coupler alone to release a 100 foot air line at 90 psi. So a safety ball valve that dumps the air downstream (hence draining the hose I wish to decouple from compressor, without draining the compressor tank) can be quite useful.
Sometimes, I want to disconnect one of the hose reels, and daisy chain it to the end of the other, to achieve 200 feet of reach without moving the compressor, since extending the air hose adds tank volume, and extending the power cord adds electrical heat, load, and loss of power.
When I disconnect a 100 foot air hose, there is a lot of air in that long skinny flexible air 'tank'. I don't mind dumping that air, but I'd rather not waste the air already in the steel air receiver, and I'd rather not waste the electricity pumping the entire air receiver back up again after the disconnect. And it sometimes takes a bit of wincing to use the coupler alone to release a 100 foot air line at 90 psi. So a safety ball valve that dumps the air downstream (hence draining the hose I wish to decouple from compressor, without draining the compressor tank) can be quite useful.
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sberry
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I am sure it can. I am not implying that there are not special circumstances that hot hoses need to be decoupled. I am usually referring to normal shop operations, It shouldn't need to move hose from hydrant to hydrant.
Strouty
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Frank,
When you decouple your hose, do you have to wait for the air to release before removing it? I understand the concept, but you keep showing it in "test" situations, I would like to see someone really use the fitting. Use it on a tool, swap to another tool, then use it, then swap to another tool. I find your tests a bit dramatic at times and would prefer to see someone else test while you record. Or have them independently tested instead.
When you decouple your hose, do you have to wait for the air to release before removing it? I understand the concept, but you keep showing it in "test" situations, I would like to see someone really use the fitting. Use it on a tool, swap to another tool, then use it, then swap to another tool. I find your tests a bit dramatic at times and would prefer to see someone else test while you record. Or have them independently tested instead.
While wearing my "Leveleer" hat I can't give away too much information.
I have another hat called "Stedlin" which will be providing all the info you are interested in plus much more but not quite yet.
I am having to spend more and more time developing manufacturing technologies for the new company so that we can proudly say "Made in USA" and really mean it.
Frank
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If a safety (controlled air release) ball valve already solved this familiar problem 40 or 50 years ago... the obvious question will be how different does a reinvented wheel roll, and how much more will it cost. I can wait for the answer, no problem. I've already been following this thread for a few years, and early on suggested looking at Milton couplers way back then, and posted photos of the Milton couplers I have. Now, a year or two later, it appears you have partnered with Milton for your upcoming products. Cool.
But I do wonder if you have solved a problem that has already been solved, and as such, will be offering yet another tasty loaf of bread, but not necessarily sliced bread. Time will tell. Too bad you are wearing so many "hats". Wouldn't it have been better just to stick with Leveleer? (Leveling the playing field between big business and small inventors?)
Geez, what was in my coffee this morning?
But I do wonder if you have solved a problem that has already been solved, and as such, will be offering yet another tasty loaf of bread, but not necessarily sliced bread. Time will tell. Too bad you are wearing so many "hats". Wouldn't it have been better just to stick with Leveleer? (Leveling the playing field between big business and small inventors?)
Geez, what was in my coffee this morning?
I watched you vids with your couplers x 2 and the provost and the Milton. It’s pretty obvious that you are not showing everything equally for all of them. You fully disconnect the Milton and the prevost. Yours you just uncouple to allow for the air to bleed. Then you go on to their other. Your coupler bleeds the air slower it seems. Why don’t you just fully disconnect it like you did the others. I think that would be helpful but I understand why you didn’t do it. What’s at the end of all the hoses?
Most people will be plugging in a tool into a female coupler. You are showing hoses I guess for effect but you really should show an air tool being plugged in and then uncoupled. And the same air tool. I think this would level the playing field. You can always make situations look one way by messing with the various pieces. Just saying.
Good luck with you couplers! Always nice to see innovation. Progression is even better.
Most people will be plugging in a tool into a female coupler. You are showing hoses I guess for effect but you really should show an air tool being plugged in and then uncoupled. And the same air tool. I think this would level the playing field. You can always make situations look one way by messing with the various pieces. Just saying.
Good luck with you couplers! Always nice to see innovation. Progression is even better.
My Youtube channel is mostly just for fun and entertainment.
It is NOT a product demonstration channel.
My patent lawyers would rather I not demonstrate anything at all.
In a couple of months there will be a new channel called StedlinMFG that will have product demonstrations .
Have to wait till then unfortunately.
It is NOT a product demonstration channel.
My patent lawyers would rather I not demonstrate anything at all.
In a couple of months there will be a new channel called StedlinMFG that will have product demonstrations .
Have to wait till then unfortunately.
Strouty
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Are you going all third person on us?
they look awsome
Musicinabottle
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How many swiv's before they start leaking I wonder.
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No kidding? As in say..... 2 million? are these laboratory conditions of wear or actual job conditions? I was just skeptical because I can't find a dam female coupler that will last more than a couple years on account the the ball bearings used to lock the coupler, seem to wear in the coupler, get loose, then allow the air to start spilling. So you'd think that those ball joints would leak after a short time with dirt and abrasions to the exposed portion. Otherwise, I really like the concept and could use one right now on my paint gun!
Both although exact numbers are only possible using laboratory conditions.
I hate the way most air hose couplers are designed as I probably stated earlier i this thread. Most of them seal on the face of the plug and use a very stiff spring to prevent leakage.
My latest safety coupler designs don't have that problem but I am not prepared to mass produce them yet.
My orbitals are being beta tested by mechanics/carpenters/contractors/truss manufacturers/boat builders and race car builders/etc. We will begin shipping products next week.
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What would be nice, and I'm unsure if yours do it or not, but is a swivel such as yours with a spring loaded center, so that the swivel returned to the centered position when not under strain. How much are your swivels in 1/4 T style (trueflate)? I might be interested in giving a few of them a go.
scooby074
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Here's a sneak peak at some of our upcoming products:
NICE! Now thats a swivel.
Considering I just had a couple Miltons swivels go all leaky, these are interesting especially if they can see "millions" of cycles in the real world.What about intense vibrations? Tools like impact guns and air hammers seem to do a number on connectors and swivels more than typical tools.
What kind of price are these things going to come in at $15-20ish like the Miltons? or considerably more??
Is that middle plug a type V? If not,Type V would be a good one to make.
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Its kind of great members can come here & see posts like that of Leveleer showing us new innovative products that attempt to solve a problem others have not perfectly done yet. Those 'Orbital' couplers look fantastic, for many air tool users its not a matter of 'if' the coupler will leak but 'when'. They look mighty sporty too.
bob15
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And at what temps have they tested at? -10°F to 100°F?
The one on top of the picture is 35 dollars. The other two are my "Orbital QuietPlugs". One is a high flow version compatible with Milton V and equivalent and the other is standard "industrial". They are 40 dollars.NICE! Now thats a swivel.
What about intense vibrations? Tools like impact guns and air hammers seem to do a number on connectors and swivels more than typical tools.
What kind of price are these things going to come in at $15-20ish like the Miltons? or considerably more??
Is that middle plug a type V? If not,Type V would be a good one to make.
They limits the exhaust flow when disconnected.
As far as vibrations go, one of our beta testers uses it with an air chisel and so far so good.
Here's a sneak peak at some of our upcoming products:
Whoa! Those look like a very high quality piece of equipment. I've been somewhat following this thread since day one. When will these products be available to the public?
I see you are in Duluth/Superior.... I was just there a few weeks ago. lol
Nice work, Sir!
scooby074
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Thanks for the info, considering the work involved and the quality materials, I figured that would be the price.
Whoa! Those look like a very high quality piece of equipment. I've been somewhat following this thread since day one. When will these products be available to the public?
I see you are in Duluth/Superior.... I was just there a few weeks ago. lol
Nice work, Sir!
Thanks.
All of our products can be ordered from our website and all of them will be in stock by the end of next week.