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Let me preface my write up by saying that everybody has there own opinions on what's the best product, preparation, and application. I spent some time researching different products and made my decision based on what I felt was the best value for me. I have a new 1400 sq.ft hobby shop that I do woodworking in and am also building a 36 Ford pickup and had a maximum budget of $750. So I lurked here and other places and read as much as I could to find out about different products before I made my final decision. I can appreciate the professional and high end floors some of the guys have done, but that just wasn't for me. I just want to share some of my experience with what I did and hope someone else gets a little useful information, but I am not looking to get into an argument with anybody about some aspect that they believe is better. Positive questions or comments are welcome.

Preparation: My slab was about 2 years old and had no oil stains on it. It is slick finished with saw cut expansion joints and has a vapor barrier under the slab so I had no moisture issues. I had pressure washed it about a year ago before I built the structure and had only swept out since. I decided I did not want to acid wash it for several reasons but did want to do something to rough it up and clean it. I had access to a floor buffing machine from work, and used it with 60 grit sanding screens to go over the entire floor. It did a nice job of leveling things off and eliminating the really slick spots. I used my shop vac to constantly clean-up behind me and after I was done I mopped the floor a couple of times. I did have a few small cracks in the floor so I used a 2 part epoxy crack filler that came in a tube that fit in a standard caulking gun. I used a die grinder with a carbide burr to vee the edges out slightly and filled the cracks up. It took several applications to build it above the surface, but that allowed me to grind it down flush with the floor. After that the only other prep I did was to mask the walls and doors and sweep and blow the shop out a few more times. All told it was probably 10-14 hours spread over nights and a weekend.

Materials: I decided on the Devoe 224HS 2 part epoxy after looking at everything else. For my application it seemed to be the best value at $39.50 per gallon for Part A or B. It is a 75% epoxy comparable to the SW Armorseal 1000 HS. I ended up buying 10 gallons and actually used 9 gallons. I used 1 gallon of Xylol as a thinner and for cleanup as well. I purchased a HD 18" roller frame (17.00), inexpensive 21" trays (3.50), and special roller covers made for epoxy work (6.00). The roller covers are made by Wooster and are called "Epoxy Glide". They are 1/4" nap, shed-resistant and worked perfect. I had some regular power mixing paddles and used a cheap 4" brush for the cut in. I found that standard 2" masking tape worked just as well as the blue painters tape and wouldn't waste the money for it. I bought the epoxy at my local ICI paint store and the other items online from "The Paint Store.com". The ICI paint store is much easier to work with than my local SW store that I have an account with. I also decided that I wanted to add flakes to help hide any defects in the floor and to give it a nicer look and found a vendor on ebay selling a limited amount of a returned custom blend of light gray and electric blue. So I bought 6) 1 pound bags for $4.00 each. After I received the chips I pulled out some of the gray chips to take to the paint store with me to pick my epoxy color. I wanted something a little darker so that there would be a contrast between the floor color and the chip color and ended up with a color called "wirework gray". I made a set of "spikes" using a couple pieces of 1x4 and drywall screws and screwed them to the bottom of some old work boots. It sounds cheap but $20 is $20 and it was a one time job anyhow.

Application: I waited for a good weekend that would be around 70 degrees and low humidity (I am in Florida). I followed the directions on the cans and power mixed both parts separately with a mixer on my cordless drill. Next I dumped the color in a 5 gallon bucket and used a cheap spatula to scrape the 1 gallon cans clean. I put the 5 gallon bucket on my drill press with another mixing paddle (like a big stand mixer) and slowly added the converter. I blended it for 3 minutes making sure to move the bucket around and then let it sit for the required 15 minute induction time. For the first coat I also added some Xylol per the recommended 1 pint per gallon to create the primer coat. I poured from the bucket into the tray as I rolled it out on the floor and at the end scraped the bucket out onto the floor to try and not waste any. I waited 24 hrs to put on the 2nd coat after the 1st had set-up nicely. The first coat was flat and thin but did seal the porous areas and made the next coat go on slick. I basically did the same thing for the second but without adding the Xylol. It definitely went on thicker and smoother and filled in tiny little cracks and chips. After the second coat was on I used my spikes to move over the floor and spread the chips. I used a small, handheld, manual crank seed and fertilizer spreader to put out the chips. It worked really well and I could just walk around and spread the chips going back over areas to make it as even as I could. Any where the tape and epoxy was stuck together I pulled the tape or cut the line with a razor knife. After 24 hrs it was hard to the touch and I let it sit for 7 days before walking on it or moving anything heavy across it. I also used a good respirator while applying it because the fumes are very intense while it is wet.

Sealing: At first my plan was to not put anything else on top of it, but after reading some more I decided it would be better to seal the chips with something to help prevent stains and trapping of dust and dirt. Having used and worked with the floor finish they put on VCT tile and terrazzo floors I decided that I would put on 3 light coats to seal everything up. We have this finish on floors at work and it holds up very well for the cost and ease of maintenance. You can mop and clean it, add another coat if it gets worn or strip it and do it over again if it gets to beat up. The only thing it doesn't like is rubber tires, it leaves black marks in the finish if it sits on it for a long time. So I have my truck on 16" cardboard squares which is only a minor inconvenience to me for all the other benefits. I picked up a 2.5 gallon jug of 24% solids for $24.00 from Sams Club which was enough to do the whole shop. It leaves a nice gloss finish that is also slip resistant.

Conclusion: I am very happy with the results and feel it was the best value for my application. The floor looks really nice, it is easy to clean and gets rid of the dusting problem. I would definitely recommend the chips as it makes the floor look uniform and helps hide minor problems. If you have cracks you would want to fix them first because they will stand out even more once the epoxy is down. I had to do my shop in 2 segments because I already had a bunch of equipment in it. I moved everything to a 1/4 area and did 3/4's first and then moved stuff back and did the other 1/4. So if you can do it while it is empty it will definitely save you some time. I still have to seal the expansion cuts and am planning on using the Sika self leveling crack filler from Home Depot with foam backer rod. I will try to get some pictures posted once I figure out how. I ended up spending about $600.00 total to coat 1400 sq .ft. which kept me under my budget. If anybody has questions I would be glad to help
 
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Great Job. I plan on doing my shop with the DEVRAN 224HS also. It looks like it spread/leveled out very good.
 

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Hi... great project! thanks for sharing!

I have a question on the priming coat...

I'm looking at doing a project (a 2 car garage) with the 224HS product, but I was told by the ICI guy:

1) After thorough surface prep, do a primer coat of "DEVOE PRE-PRIME 167"

2) ... followed the next day by the "DEVRAN 224HS" (which you used)...

3) ... Because I want to mitigate yellowing and chalking of Epoxy due to UV exposure (the garage door will be open a fair bit) I can put on a top coat of "DEVTHANE 379UVA" with some of their "oval crystals" for enhanced traction as an option. (This product is pretty pricey) (it is "... high performance, two component chmically cured clear aliphatic urethane finish...")

It sounds like your priming coat was the 224HS itself rather than with PRE-PRIME 167. Just out of curiosity, why is that? Did your research indicate an advantage one way or the other on the prime coat material? The primer data sheet says it is "... high performance, two component chmically cured 100% solids epoxy penetrating sealer..."

Thanks for your thoughts
 
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Jaquar,

I'm doing my floor this Friday with Devran 224HS. I spoke with 2 outside reps with ICI paints. They both recommended thinning the first coat of 224HS and not using a separate primer. As far as urethane, you can use 378 (semi-gloss) or 379 (high gloss). It was recommended to me to use some type of chips also, if I was to use the urethane. Neither rep pushed me to use the urethane.

They recommended not using it for my shop purposes. They were not against using it, just didnt think I should waste my $$ for my needs. I thought that was very honest of them both. It showed me they were not jsut looking for a sell, but really wanted me to have the floor I would be happy with.

With all that said, I 'm still debating to put a coat of urethane on it. :)
 
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I had a similiar recomendation on the primer and after researching different products I found other brands also doing a thinned coat for the primer coat. There are probably special situations that the primer would be beneficial but not for me. The thinned first coat soaked in and sealed the rough areas really well. I definately recommend using the chips if you are wanting a more "showroom" like look. And if you use the chips I think it needs some type of sealer over them, because after the epoxy cures the chips are rough feeling and will probably catch dirt easier.
 

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What is an ICI paint store?

Its like a Sherwin Williams or Glidden. Just another retail paint store from what I can tell. They have been great to work with. Alot better than the SW stores I went to and spoke with.

The ICI outside rep drove 20 miles to my house just to drop off a color chart for me to decide on. He offered to check my floor out also, which no SW outside rep offered.
 

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Just a quick question to anyone who may know. The specs on the 378 urethane show it to be white (tintable). Does the 378 semi-gloss have a clear option?
 

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Ranger,

Devoe does have a UV protecting clear top coat, but it has a different # designation than the 378. I can't remember what it is right now, but I do have the spec sheet at home.
 

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Just a quick question to anyone who may know. The specs on the 378 urethane show it to be white (tintable). Does the 378 semi-gloss have a clear option?

I don't know about 378, but take a look at Devoe Devthane 379UVA (this is the product I used):

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Jaguar Fan:

Thanks. I think the flat 379UVA is where I want to go. One last question. When thinning for the first coat, is it 1 pint of xylol total or 1 pint per gallon? Because when you mix the two parts you end up with twqo gallons, right?
 

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Jaguar Fan:

Thanks. I think the flat 379UVA is where I want to go. One last question. When thinning for the first coat, is it 1 pint of xylol total or 1 pint per gallon? Because when you mix the two parts you end up with twqo gallons, right?

I didn't use any thinner either on the 224HS or the 379UVA top coat. Best to ask the ICI guys.
 
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Ranger,

Devoe does have a UV protecting clear top coat, but it has a different # designation than the 378. I can't remember what it is right now, but I do have the spec sheet at home.

Devfloor 521 is available as a clear uv protect coat (100% solids). The ICI store suggested Devfloor 525 (also 100% solids epoxy) tinted as a base coat, flakes or 3M colorquartz, and Devfloor 521 as a topcoat.
FWIW,
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Interesting. I have been emailing with a tech. support rep at Devoe who gave me very good, detailed instructions on the 224HS and urethane application. I will contact hime with this recommendation ande see what he says. ALso, what is the pot life of these products?
 

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Just looked at the specs on these products and the pot life is very short. I am concerned, as a newbie, that it will be difficult for me to apply so fast.
 

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Just looked at the specs on these products and the pot life is very short. I am concerned, as a newbie, that it will be difficult for me to apply so fast.

I, too, was really concerned about the short pot life. That's why ultimately I chose the 224HS, which gives a longer pot life. After doing a 2 car garage in it, I know darn well that I couldn't have done it in the short pot life product as a DIYer the first time. The only way for me personally would be to mix smaller batches & then use a brush to cut in the edges, control joints, around the water softener, etc... and then to mix more batches one at a time for the slab. I didn't want to tackle mixing small batches, though... too much of a chance to screw up the ratios. I know I would have wasted quite a bit of product.

For my next project, I'll bite the bullet & use 100% solids... I'll mix a standard sized batch to do the brush work, then wait the recommended time, then do the slab in more batches. It will cost more, I guess, because I'll end up with more product waste, but my hope is it will work out that way.
 

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Hi Guys,

First, if you use Pre-Prime 167 you better be careful not to let if puddle. It works great and will penetrate the concrete like our BondTite 1101 does but since it is a siloxane modified polymer it can affect intercoat adhesion. SO, what I am saying is... when you use Pre-Prime correctly... it works... if you let it puddle you might have delamination issues.

DevFloor... DON'T use these products... These products have been manufactured by several manufacturers over the years. The current one is Valspar... They are terrible!

As I've mentioned before, the Devran 224HS is a solid product... not as good as our LiquaTile 1184... but... a good product for those on a tight budget. Be careful not to apply it too thick!

Now, for the clear...
The Devthane 379UVA is the best ICI product to seal your flakes with. It has pretty good UV resistance...

Last, I'm sure you guys are wondering why I would comment in a positive way on a competitors products. Basically, there is enough business out there for everyone. We're not exactly hurting for sales. Our products will outperform these ICI products but they are going to be a little more expensive... but 100% solids...

I don't have even one good thing to say about Sherwin Williams.
 

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Hi Guys,

First, if you use Pre-Prime 167 you better be careful not to let if puddle. It works great and will penetrate the concrete like our BondTite 1101 does but since it is a siloxane modified polymer it can affect intercoat adhesion. SO, what I am saying is... when you use Pre-Prime correctly... it works... if you let it puddle you might have delamination issues.

DevFloor... DON'T use these products... These products have been manufactured by several manufacturers over the years. The current one is Valspar... They are terrible!

As I've mentioned before, the Devran 224HS is a solid product... not as good as our LiquaTile 1184... but... a good product for those on a tight budget. Be careful not to apply it too thick!

Now, for the clear...
The Devthane 379UVA is the best ICI product to seal your flakes with. It has pretty good UV resistance...
Thanks for the information. When you say don't apply 224HS too thick - can you quantify that a little more? I just purchased 4 gallons of 224HS for my 400 sq ft garage and I was planning on applying it in two coats - do you think I need to apply more (thinner) coats instead?
 

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When I spoke with the tech support guy at Devoe, he instructed me to thin the first coat with a pint of xylol. I have to get clarification from them as to whether that is one pint per gallon or one pint for the combined parts. This will make the first coat thinner and fill in all the tiny crevices nicely -- I hope.

He told me to then put down the next coat of 224HS without thinning, put down flakes and anti-skid, if desired, and then put the urethane over.
 

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When I spoke with the tech support guy at Devoe, he instructed me to thin the first coat with a pint of xylol. I have to get clarification from them as to whether that is one pint per gallon or one pint for the combined parts. This will make the first coat thinner and fill in all the tiny crevices nicely -- I hope.

He told me to then put down the next coat of 224HS without thinning, put down flakes and anti-skid, if desired, and then put the urethane over.
Thanks , I appreciate the info.

The data sheet says that 224HS can be thinned up to 10% by volume and one pint per gallon would be 12.5% so I assume that he meant one pint per 2 gallons (1 kit).
 

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Here's mine. I used the Devoe Epoxy & Devoe Clear with some Behr anti-slip powder from Home Depot or Lowes. I used 2 of the little Quickcrete shaker bottles of paint chips. I think it turned out pretty good considering I messed up & used the half gallon I had left from the first coat in with the 2nd coat.....some of it had gelled up and was putting little chunks down...it was annoying, but I wasn't going for perfection anyhow. I really wanted it for function....it would have been even cheaper had I opted out of the clear & paint chips, but I figured I'd put it down to break up the solid gray. I'm glad I did, I think it turned out decent.
 

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Here's mine. I used the Devoe Epoxy & Devoe Clear with some Behr anti-slip powder from Home Depot or Lowes. I used 2 of the little Quickcrete shaker bottles of paint chips. I think it turned out pretty good considering I messed up & used the half gallon I had left from the first coat in with the 2nd coat.....some of it had gelled up and was putting little chunks down...it was annoying, but I wasn't going for perfection anyhow. I really wanted it for function....it would have been even cheaper had I opted out of the clear & paint chips, but I figured I'd put it down to break up the solid gray. I'm glad I did, I think it turned out decent.

Congratulations. Can you post a couple pictures?
 

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I have been waiting on the weather here in Houston to cool down below 100 degrees or at least enough so I wouldn't sweat on my prepped floor before doing this. I have a 4 year old bare floor that is in great shape but has some spots and tire marks that didn't come up with my pressure washer. I am undecided between sanding with a rough grit using a Home Depot rental floor sander or renting the concrete grinder. Opinions on that appreciated. I plan to use the Devoe 167 primer first, followed by a single coat of 224HS, heavy flakes then the 379H high gloss clear. Opinions or advice appreciated from any of you who have already used these materials, because I am about to let 'er rip.
 

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I have been waiting on the weather here in Houston to cool down below 100 degrees or at least enough so I wouldn't sweat on my prepped floor before doing this. I have a 4 year old bare floor that is in great shape but has some spots and tire marks that didn't come up with my pressure washer. I am undecided between sanding with a rough grit using a Home Depot rental floor sander or renting the concrete grinder. Opinions on that appreciated. I plan to use the Devoe 167 primer first, followed by a single coat of 224HS, heavy flakes then the 379H high gloss clear. Opinions or advice appreciated from any of you who have already used these materials, because I am about to let 'er rip.



I was planning on doing the same thing 167, 224HS and 379UVA I was told by the ICI rep that I needed 2 coats of 224HS for it to be the proper thickness.
 

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I was planning on doing the same thing 167, 224HS and 379UVA I was told by the ICI rep that I needed 2 coats of 224HS for it to be the proper thickness.

That is consistent with what I was told as well, until I spoke with Ryan at ColorChips yesterday. He said that the 224 is so thick that you might find one coat sufficient. They sell of lot of Devoe 224HS and I doubt they would try and sell me "less" if they could sell me "more." And I am sure a lot of it has to do with the texture of the prepped concrete. So my plan is start the first coat and before it gets too dry for flakes, decide then how it looks. My guess is I will do two coats just to make myself feel like its done right. I also found a floor grinder this afternoon at a tool rental shop so now I need to decide between using it or a floor sander. Its all coming together.

Can anyone comment on how slippery this will be with the 379? I roll around on the floor alot working on cars and am not wanting to use any anti-slip material.
 
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I should have some pics by mid next week (plan on doing it this weekend)
 

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I roll around on the floor alot working on cars and am not wanting to use any anti-slip material.


There are quite a few different types of grit available, and some aren't that bad on bare skin. Avoid aluminum oxide and sand, but check out some of the polymer types. We offer SuperGrip 850, but there are other similar products out there.
 

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Hi all. I'm researching epoxy flooring now for my garage and enjoyed this thread. Can you guys post pics of your Devoe floor coatings please? :)

Hi... see below. The first picture is after prime coat. The 2nd & 3rd are after chips (maybe clear coat, too; I forget). The last one is a year and a half later -- it shows now discoloration at all; I'm very happy with its performance:

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and, a year & a half later,



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Hi Guys,

First, if you use Pre-Prime 167 you better be careful not to let if puddle. It works great and will penetrate the concrete like our BondTite 1101 does but since it is a siloxane modified polymer it can affect intercoat adhesion. SO, what I am saying is... when you use Pre-Prime correctly... it works... if you let it puddle you might have delamination issues.

DevFloor... DON'T use these products... These products have been manufactured by several manufacturers over the years. The current one is Valspar... They are terrible!

As I've mentioned before, the Devran 224HS is a solid product... not as good as our LiquaTile 1184... but... a good product for those on a tight budget. Be careful not to apply it too thick!

Now, for the clear...
The Devthane 379UVA is the best ICI product to seal your flakes with. It has pretty good UV resistance...

Last, I'm sure you guys are wondering why I would comment in a positive way on a competitors products. Basically, there is enough business out there for everyone. We're not exactly hurting for sales. Our products will outperform these ICI products but they are going to be a little more expensive... but 100% solids...

I don't have even one good thing to say about Sherwin Williams.

Hi, You say DONT use the DevFloor products but then you say, " Devran 224HS is a solid product"... Am I missing something?
 
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