GDPossehl
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Great cabinet building. Looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT My Five Pound Garage.
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
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With the help of my brother and nephew, we managed to get the other two cabinets put up. Now I have space to build the other three!
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Trying to decide if I should try to build some faux front to cover the space around the GDO chain track.
With the help of my brother and nephew, we managed to get the other two cabinets put up. Now I have space to build the other three!
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Trying to decide if I should try to build some faux front to cover the space around the GDO chain track.
Just read through your thread. Some interesting ideas you have going.
Your garage is roughly the same size as mine a little bigger actually but I have the same height ceiling and as you have I made pretty good use of the space up there.
I feel for you having to buy all the dimensional hardwood at the big box.
Do you have plans to get a jointer, planer and tablesaw so you can buy rough hardwood lumber? I just cringe everytime I walk past all the Oak at Lowes so damn expensive!
I like you cabinets a lot above the garage door. Have you though about storage for long pieces above the garage door? I have two different sized ones. One for pieces that are 10 ft and one for 4-6 ft pieces. Just some ideas.
I look forward to seeing your wall of cabinets and workbench.
Your garage is roughly the same size as mine a little bigger actually but I have the same height ceiling and as you have I made pretty good use of the space up there.
I feel for you having to buy all the dimensional hardwood at the big box.
Do you have plans to get a jointer, planer and tablesaw so you can buy rough hardwood lumber? I just cringe everytime I walk past all the Oak at Lowes so damn expensive!
I like you cabinets a lot above the garage door. Have you though about storage for long pieces above the garage door? I have two different sized ones. One for pieces that are 10 ft and one for 4-6 ft pieces. Just some ideas.
I look forward to seeing your wall of cabinets and workbench.
Thanks for the response.
I like what you did with the drawers and the finger joints. That jig makes things go so much quicker and is relatively painless comparatively.
Unfortunately the dimensional wood thing is a necessary evil at this point.
The painful part is that I have ALL those tools and more at my parents house about an hour away. It's been an interesting exercise having to rethink my methods depending on what tools I do have access to.
It's also been a balance of bringing up tools from my parents as I develop a need for them while not bringing up so much that I clutter myself out of work space. "Hey dad, can I borrow the XYZ to..." I know it sounds odd being 42 and still asking for permission to borrow tools, but he is still dad, and they are technically still his tools. Lol
I look forward to watching your thread develop too. It's good to watch someone else who has similar skills and "garage circumstances". If you don't mind my asking, where did you pick up your wood working skills?
T.
To answer your question. My dad has been a woodworker as far back as I could remember and my grandpa had a woodshop too. When I was younger and still lived at home I hated it because my Dad got saw dust on all my car stuff in the garage. I never really picked it up until we bought our first home in 2005.
Over the last 9 years I have slowly picked up tools and skills. I am mostly self taught except for when I can't figure something out and then I ask the master my dad. He has every tool known to man and as you do I borrow one when I need it. Usually if I use it a lot he will end up buying me one for my birthday or Xmas. Can't recall how many tools he has added to my collection. He is a wonderful mentor and always knows a way to solve a problem. Only woodworking tool I still need is a cyclone dust collector. But I will wait until I move my woodshop to the big garage before getting one.
Here is what my garage looked like when we first moved in and the woodworking bug hadn't set in yet. My in laws bought me a Craftsman Skilsaw for Xmas 2005 and it went downhill from there. Both cars ended up in the driveway.
And a picture from last year.
Haven't done much out there this year been very busy working on the restoration of the 64' Chevy stepside. I look forward to seeing you work on the 36'
Bret
Over the last 9 years I have slowly picked up tools and skills. I am mostly self taught except for when I can't figure something out and then I ask the master my dad. He has every tool known to man and as you do I borrow one when I need it. Usually if I use it a lot he will end up buying me one for my birthday or Xmas. Can't recall how many tools he has added to my collection. He is a wonderful mentor and always knows a way to solve a problem. Only woodworking tool I still need is a cyclone dust collector. But I will wait until I move my woodshop to the big garage before getting one.
Here is what my garage looked like when we first moved in and the woodworking bug hadn't set in yet. My in laws bought me a Craftsman Skilsaw for Xmas 2005 and it went downhill from there. Both cars ended up in the driveway.
And a picture from last year.
Haven't done much out there this year been very busy working on the restoration of the 64' Chevy stepside. I look forward to seeing you work on the 36'
Bret
ezover
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i have to ask. what is hiding behind that blocked door in the left, front corner?
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Progress has been slow, and I've changed my focus to the cabinets on the opposite wall. I've gotten the book shelf put together minus the face frame and hung. Things are coming together.
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Hoping the face frame will help combat some sag. I'm hoping to make some magazine boxes to keep everything from getting dusty etc.
I also figured out that the bottom shelf would be great place for a charging station, due to the outlet proximity.
Progress has been slow, and I've changed my focus to the cabinets on the opposite wall. I've gotten the book shelf put together minus the face frame and hung. Things are coming together.
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Hoping the face frame will help combat some sag. I'm hoping to make some magazine boxes to keep everything from getting dusty etc.
I also figured out that the bottom shelf would be great place for a charging station, due to the outlet proximity.
metalhead140
Well-known member
Great work, keep it up!
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Got some things done. As always, advances, progress, set backs, and frustrations.
After getting the doors mocked up, I had cut up the oak for the doors for the other two overheads. I've been looking for a slot cutting router bit for quite awhile. I had no luck at the big boxes and woodcrafters wanted what seemed like ridiculous money, so of all places I checked at Harbor Freight. Turns out they had what I needed and it seems to have stayed sharp so far, so we'll see.
I also pulled the trigger on a 4'x8' of a sign substrate called max metal, which is PVC sandwiched between aluminum, brushed silver in this case. All told about an eighth of an inch thick. Sturdy mad light. I originally wanted to do engine turned aluminum in the panels of the doors, but I don't think this material will take it. There seems to be some sort of coating on it. Regardless I think it still looks pretty good.
I got in a hurry to show the wife how cool the doors would look while also fighting the "work while the two year old sleeps" clock, I rushed to get the doors slotted, stained and get the material cut to the right dimension.
Rushing = frustrations and setbacks.
I'm 42 and still fighting that fight.
How much is acceptable? We'll see.
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So,
Frustration 1. Using the dimensions from the first cabinet for the second and third set of doors.
Turns out, they need to be a bit smaller. Bright side, I can cut boards shorter.
Frustration 2. I thought I was paying attention to the direction of the brushed grain, but cut a set of panels going the wrong direction.
If the material wasn't $75 for a four by eight I might go back and fix it, but that seems like a cost prohibitive fix.
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After that aggravation, I decided to focus more on the opposite wall, specifically the carcasses for the tool cabinets. I'd cut up the wood and figured out how and how much I was going to allow for the wall footer sticking out.
So I needed to route the dadoes for the horizontals. After glueing and screwing it together and running a rib or two across the horizontals to beef them up a bit, I stood it up and realized I really need to throw the back on it because it was racking pretty bad. Sometimes, no matter how much you stare at the drawings and visualize, you just don't get a clear picture till it's together in front of you.
I didn't do a lot of assembly pics because of the time factor again. But here's a pic of the right carcass propped up in place. Trying to get a feel for how this is gonna be.
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Got some things done. As always, advances, progress, set backs, and frustrations.
After getting the doors mocked up, I had cut up the oak for the doors for the other two overheads. I've been looking for a slot cutting router bit for quite awhile. I had no luck at the big boxes and woodcrafters wanted what seemed like ridiculous money, so of all places I checked at Harbor Freight. Turns out they had what I needed and it seems to have stayed sharp so far, so we'll see.
I also pulled the trigger on a 4'x8' of a sign substrate called max metal, which is PVC sandwiched between aluminum, brushed silver in this case. All told about an eighth of an inch thick. Sturdy mad light. I originally wanted to do engine turned aluminum in the panels of the doors, but I don't think this material will take it. There seems to be some sort of coating on it. Regardless I think it still looks pretty good.
I got in a hurry to show the wife how cool the doors would look while also fighting the "work while the two year old sleeps" clock, I rushed to get the doors slotted, stained and get the material cut to the right dimension.
Rushing = frustrations and setbacks.
I'm 42 and still fighting that fight.
How much is acceptable? We'll see.
View media item 44252
So,
Frustration 1. Using the dimensions from the first cabinet for the second and third set of doors.
Turns out, they need to be a bit smaller. Bright side, I can cut boards shorter.
Frustration 2. I thought I was paying attention to the direction of the brushed grain, but cut a set of panels going the wrong direction.
If the material wasn't $75 for a four by eight I might go back and fix it, but that seems like a cost prohibitive fix.
View media item 44253
After that aggravation, I decided to focus more on the opposite wall, specifically the carcasses for the tool cabinets. I'd cut up the wood and figured out how and how much I was going to allow for the wall footer sticking out.
So I needed to route the dadoes for the horizontals. After glueing and screwing it together and running a rib or two across the horizontals to beef them up a bit, I stood it up and realized I really need to throw the back on it because it was racking pretty bad. Sometimes, no matter how much you stare at the drawings and visualize, you just don't get a clear picture till it's together in front of you.
I didn't do a lot of assembly pics because of the time factor again. But here's a pic of the right carcass propped up in place. Trying to get a feel for how this is gonna be.
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thetastelingers
Well-known member
I'm liking your overhead cabinet design. I may have to use that design for a larger cabinet I want to build over my workbench.
jjohnson70
Well-known member
Those cabinets looks awesome! The brushed silver on the fronts really look nice.
I'm impressed with how much you do get done with a little one too - I bet you can't wait till he is old enough to help out. Keep up the good work!
I'm impressed with how much you do get done with a little one too - I bet you can't wait till he is old enough to help out. Keep up the good work!
sean Buick 76
Well-known member
Good work, keep it up! Bit by bit, you will get there!
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With two birthdays and the end of marching band season (I teach the drumline) things slowed down. I did manage to get the second carcass assembled and mocked up in place. Now you can see the scale of things, which is a little bigger than I thought. No biggie.
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What I haven't shown yet was the leveler feet I installed and how I went about working around the foundation sticking out. I can take pics of that when I bring them down to put the rest of the shelves etc. in them.
Having procured the level from the 'rents basement, I've also discovered I need to go back and adjust/rehang the book shelf.
What's not in the pic is the wood for making the internal shelves and drawer supports. Hopefully I can get to them sooner than later.
With two birthdays and the end of marching band season (I teach the drumline) things slowed down. I did manage to get the second carcass assembled and mocked up in place. Now you can see the scale of things, which is a little bigger than I thought. No biggie.
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What I haven't shown yet was the leveler feet I installed and how I went about working around the foundation sticking out. I can take pics of that when I bring them down to put the rest of the shelves etc. in them.
Having procured the level from the 'rents basement, I've also discovered I need to go back and adjust/rehang the book shelf.
What's not in the pic is the wood for making the internal shelves and drawer supports. Hopefully I can get to them sooner than later.
OJ Bartley
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Great work on the cabinets so far, Terranova. I'll be referring back to this thread when I get to start mine. Also, your supervisor is too cute, he's stealing the show here! I can't wait till my little guy can hang out with me and do projects together.
Thanks OJ! It's always a challenge, keeping an eye out or trying to work when he's napping etc. I to, can't wait till he can actually help or take instructions.
Love Toronto too. I've been a Leafs fan since the Gilmore/Clarke days. Unfortunately they don't seem to be fairing to well lately. We have the Blue Jackets here in Columbus and usually try to go see them when they play the leafs. Of course little ones can throw a wrench in that too.
Stay warm!
T
Love Toronto too. I've been a Leafs fan since the Gilmore/Clarke days. Unfortunately they don't seem to be fairing to well lately. We have the Blue Jackets here in Columbus and usually try to go see them when they play the leafs. Of course little ones can throw a wrench in that too.
Stay warm!
T
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Well, with the holiday and everything else going on I did manage to get a couple things done out in the garage.
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I got some of the internals for the one of the cabinets put together. Plans for this cab include six drawers, four 10" deep and two 5" deep to go in the middle two "cubbies" you see. Below that is a full width 14" in tall drawer for stuff like kick balls, sports stuff etc.
The whole top will get divided up for various tools "LilScorpion style".
I DID NOT MAKE THIS!
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I also put the red oak edging on the book shelf and stained it. On the bottom left shelf you can see a magazine box made of Sintra, which is an expanded PVC product. My dad and I made a bunch quite awhile ago when we had a shop next to a plastics shop. We'd pick up his drops and use them to make all kind of stuff. When I was poking around the basement over Thanksgiving I found the pattern for the sides. SCORE! I only have to shave it 3/16" to get it to fit the book shelf. Now I just have to check the local plastics supplier to see if they have any Sintra drops they need to get rid of. I plan on filling this whole book shelf with magazine boxes like this one with oak face plates.
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Because it's four feet wide, I began to worry about sag, so I worked up a little help with the edge trim.
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The narrow part is the face which is the same thickness as the rest of the edging. The thicker part tucks under the front lip of the shelf and will be screwed upward from below and glued. Hopeful it will help.
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Next will probably be the internals for the other cab.
Well, with the holiday and everything else going on I did manage to get a couple things done out in the garage.
View media item 45742
I got some of the internals for the one of the cabinets put together. Plans for this cab include six drawers, four 10" deep and two 5" deep to go in the middle two "cubbies" you see. Below that is a full width 14" in tall drawer for stuff like kick balls, sports stuff etc.
The whole top will get divided up for various tools "LilScorpion style".
I DID NOT MAKE THIS!
View media item 45743^^^^I DID NOT MAKE THIS!^^^^
I also put the red oak edging on the book shelf and stained it. On the bottom left shelf you can see a magazine box made of Sintra, which is an expanded PVC product. My dad and I made a bunch quite awhile ago when we had a shop next to a plastics shop. We'd pick up his drops and use them to make all kind of stuff. When I was poking around the basement over Thanksgiving I found the pattern for the sides. SCORE! I only have to shave it 3/16" to get it to fit the book shelf. Now I just have to check the local plastics supplier to see if they have any Sintra drops they need to get rid of. I plan on filling this whole book shelf with magazine boxes like this one with oak face plates.
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Because it's four feet wide, I began to worry about sag, so I worked up a little help with the edge trim.
View media item 45741
The narrow part is the face which is the same thickness as the rest of the edging. The thicker part tucks under the front lip of the shelf and will be screwed upward from below and glued. Hopeful it will help.
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Next will probably be the internals for the other cab.
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Thanks to a four hour nap by the supervisor, I got the internals for the other cab assembled. Not quite as "arrow strait" as I'd like, but it will have to do.
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Hopefully with some time this evening or tomorrow I can get it put into the cab. The shelves will get similar treatment as the book case shelves as soon as I can get to the table saw to get it cut up. The bottom cubby will get five drawers graduating from 7 to 3 inches and the five small cubbies will all get 2" drawers.
I also went to the plastics place and picked up a 4' x 8' of "Sintra" to make magazine boxes out of. More on that later
Thanks to a four hour nap by the supervisor, I got the internals for the other cab assembled. Not quite as "arrow strait" as I'd like, but it will have to do.
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Hopefully with some time this evening or tomorrow I can get it put into the cab. The shelves will get similar treatment as the book case shelves as soon as I can get to the table saw to get it cut up. The bottom cubby will get five drawers graduating from 7 to 3 inches and the five small cubbies will all get 2" drawers.
I also went to the plastics place and picked up a 4' x 8' of "Sintra" to make magazine boxes out of. More on that later
jwhcars
Well-known member
Very nice work.
Yeah, I couldn't wait. Not that I see how deep the shelves are I might have to figure out a front tray back tray type arrangement or ??. What would you do? Just stack stuff two deep or ??
View media item 45924Yeah, I couldn't wait.
View media item 45924Yeah, I couldn't wait.
0150carmac
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looking good i like the over door storage
Thanks Jwhcars and 0150carmac. It's finally getting to the point where I can see the light at the end of the tunnel which definitely helps with the motivation to get out there. Having a place to put a lot of the stuff is also making the garage feel a little less cluttered.
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I don't have a shed so I'm working on ways to get some of the extra kid stuff outta the way. We have a second kid on the way in June so the stuff the current kid has out grown is gonna stick around for a little longer, so what to do?
Up, outta the way for the winter for sure.
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Can't wait to get rid of this cabinet and shelves left by the PO. It's been a year and a half and now that I've got my cabinets roughed in, I can start to transfer stuff. I'm really looking forward to getting everything of the back wall to have a fresh slate to work with. So far the only requirement for this wall is some extra pantRy space for the boss. I'd like to keep the dartboard and maybe put up some art work/prints. We'll see.
I don't have a shed so I'm working on ways to get some of the extra kid stuff outta the way. We have a second kid on the way in June so the stuff the current kid has out grown is gonna stick around for a little longer, so what to do?
Up, outta the way for the winter for sure.
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Can't wait to get rid of this cabinet and shelves left by the PO. It's been a year and a half and now that I've got my cabinets roughed in, I can start to transfer stuff. I'm really looking forward to getting everything of the back wall to have a fresh slate to work with. So far the only requirement for this wall is some extra pantRy space for the boss. I'd like to keep the dartboard and maybe put up some art work/prints. We'll see.
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With the cabinets fairly roughed in it was time to start on the fold down bench.
I've Donne all the stuff in this update since the last update maybe two or three days ago.
I based it off this fold down bench design in Shop Notes.
View media item 46010This is one page out of five or six showing the project and some accompanying cabinets etc. it shows the basic layout of the bench.
Because I changed the dimensions of the bench to fit my needs I had to do some modifications. The project called for a bench top 59" wide and 24" deep. My space dictated the bench top be 45" wide and I had a white oak restaurant table top that was 30.5" deep. I know 30" sounds deep, but because of the cabinets on either side I wanted the full 30" to give me a full foot of overhang past the cabinets.
I also had a 3.5 foundation wall that I had to build out past.
All these changes, I knew I had to make some modifications so I sat and stared and visualized and drew and measured and after all that I still didn't have a full grasp of how everything effected everything else.
So, I started cutting feeling pretty sure I knew enough to be "safe" in making it happen with some audible calls on the way.
Turns out that narrowing the width of bench while making it deeper, while wanting to keep long(er) legs to support the additional depth required me to figure out how to make the legs over lap.
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This is the two side panels with the (extra) 2x4 stretchers to help build out over the foundation. The fore ground piece is the second stretcher with a 20" leg hinged closest to the stretcher and a 17" leg folded over attached to two chucks of 2x4 to build out over the other leg. Note that these are the leg stretchers, the legs are coming soon. That's the bench top underneath already serving its purpose in a makeshift manner.
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After that I turned to the bench top and installing the pivot pins. They're made out a 5/8" metal rod cut to 18" on each side. They're sunk into the bottom side of the top and captured with metal plate/bar
View media item 46062Looks like there might still be some gum stuck under there. We'll call it "patina"
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I missed having the drill press in my parents basement for two reasons.
1. The holes weren't as consistent as they could have been and
2. This:
View media item 46043Didn't clamp the metal down and the bit caught and spun it into my side *just* below my ribs. One of those "oh, that didn't hurt, oh sh1t that hurts!" Almost Lose your breath pain.
So there was a stopping point yesterday.
Today I turned to finishing the legs and attaching things to the wall.
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If you look at the top corner of the side panels, you can see the flange bearing that the metal rods will be captured in.
Here is the 90% finished legs being attached to the wall with the over lap. Sorry, no pics between cause it was cold and my phone died..
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Here's everything from the top.
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From the left to the right are two (instead of the single called for by the original plan) stretchers connecting the side panels. This was done to clear the foundation wall.
Next, farthest away is the 20" leg hinged to the stretcher. Closest are the two 6" chucks used to build out the other leg allowing overlap.
Last is the short 17" leg. For those of you keeping track that's 4 x 1.5" + 17" = 23" in leg length leaving 6" of bench overhanging past the legs. Room for clamps etc.
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There's still some dialing in required in the way of a spacer between the top and the legs and also dealing with the slope of the floor dropping left to right as you look at it. I have screw in feet, which works great for the leg swinging out on the high side, but ***** for the leg on the low side. Almost 3/4" between folded in and extended out.
And finally with everything "in place"
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Next up, oak edge trim, drawers and doors for the cabinets.
With the cabinets fairly roughed in it was time to start on the fold down bench.
I've Donne all the stuff in this update since the last update maybe two or three days ago.
I based it off this fold down bench design in Shop Notes.
View media item 46010This is one page out of five or six showing the project and some accompanying cabinets etc. it shows the basic layout of the bench.
Because I changed the dimensions of the bench to fit my needs I had to do some modifications. The project called for a bench top 59" wide and 24" deep. My space dictated the bench top be 45" wide and I had a white oak restaurant table top that was 30.5" deep. I know 30" sounds deep, but because of the cabinets on either side I wanted the full 30" to give me a full foot of overhang past the cabinets.
I also had a 3.5 foundation wall that I had to build out past.
All these changes, I knew I had to make some modifications so I sat and stared and visualized and drew and measured and after all that I still didn't have a full grasp of how everything effected everything else.
So, I started cutting feeling pretty sure I knew enough to be "safe" in making it happen with some audible calls on the way.
Turns out that narrowing the width of bench while making it deeper, while wanting to keep long(er) legs to support the additional depth required me to figure out how to make the legs over lap.
View media item 46041
This is the two side panels with the (extra) 2x4 stretchers to help build out over the foundation. The fore ground piece is the second stretcher with a 20" leg hinged closest to the stretcher and a 17" leg folded over attached to two chucks of 2x4 to build out over the other leg. Note that these are the leg stretchers, the legs are coming soon. That's the bench top underneath already serving its purpose in a makeshift manner.
View media item 46045
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After that I turned to the bench top and installing the pivot pins. They're made out a 5/8" metal rod cut to 18" on each side. They're sunk into the bottom side of the top and captured with metal plate/bar
View media item 46062Looks like there might still be some gum stuck under there. We'll call it "patina"
View media item 46061
I missed having the drill press in my parents basement for two reasons.
1. The holes weren't as consistent as they could have been and
2. This:
View media item 46043Didn't clamp the metal down and the bit caught and spun it into my side *just* below my ribs. One of those "oh, that didn't hurt, oh sh1t that hurts!" Almost Lose your breath pain.
So there was a stopping point yesterday.
Today I turned to finishing the legs and attaching things to the wall.
View media item 46052
If you look at the top corner of the side panels, you can see the flange bearing that the metal rods will be captured in.
Here is the 90% finished legs being attached to the wall with the over lap. Sorry, no pics between cause it was cold and my phone died..
View media item 46055
Here's everything from the top.
View media item 46060
From the left to the right are two (instead of the single called for by the original plan) stretchers connecting the side panels. This was done to clear the foundation wall.
Next, farthest away is the 20" leg hinged to the stretcher. Closest are the two 6" chucks used to build out the other leg allowing overlap.
Last is the short 17" leg. For those of you keeping track that's 4 x 1.5" + 17" = 23" in leg length leaving 6" of bench overhanging past the legs. Room for clamps etc.
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There's still some dialing in required in the way of a spacer between the top and the legs and also dealing with the slope of the floor dropping left to right as you look at it. I have screw in feet, which works great for the leg swinging out on the high side, but ***** for the leg on the low side. Almost 3/4" between folded in and extended out.
And finally with everything "in place"
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Next up, oak edge trim, drawers and doors for the cabinets.
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I did get the edge trim done before the holiday, but haven't stained it yet.
Slight change of plans.
Instead of doors and drawers, I decided to work up some of the magazine boxes I've been talking about making for the book shelf.
Here is a previous model made almost 15 years ago at our sign shop.
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I stopped by the supplier and picked up a 4x8 of the PVC (sintra) I was talking about. I managed to slip down to my parents to trim the stuff down to dimension. I came out with enough to make 14 boxes.
I was excited to get going so I failed to take pics of the beginning few "steps".i took the first strip that had four sides end to end and jigsawed the curves close and then used a pattern bit to make everything clean.
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Luckily I found the old original pattern dad made.
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The line across the bottom is the amount I calculated that I need to modify the pattern to fit my bookshelf because the originals were just a bit to tall.
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I decided to mock two up before I went into production mode, which is a good thing. The first one I did, I put things together so the sides would pinch the bottom and uprights between them, because when trimming the stuff down in my parents basement, it made the most sense in my minds eye.
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What I didn't realize was making the box this way would cause the box to come up just a bit short for the width of a magazine making things a little cramped and bowed when you put them in.
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Well, ****!
Time to for plan B.
The second one I did, I made everything glue to the edges of the sides helping me pick up just under a half inch solving my problem.
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This also required me to shorten the hight of the sides by the thickness off the bottom again.
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Here's a tip!
When using double sided tape to hold pieces together for a router pattern bit, a little goes a long way. To much, like you see on the first picture of the pattern is WAY to much. Do something more like this. You'll find it much easier to separate, saving you a lot of cussing and you won't mar your **** up and bust knuckles while trying to pull **** apart.
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Zip zop, nice clean edge, time to figure out how to clamp this thing a different way.
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Luckily I had two pieces of the red oak trim I modified for the shelf reinforcement, which made for a great way to apply pressure along the whole edge of the piece.
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A little MEK in a MEK proof bottle with a small needle nozzle.
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A little a long the seam to be "glued". If I'm correct, the MEK wicks down between the two pieces and actually melts the PVC making a physical as well as chemical bond.
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Clamp, wait.
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Clamp, wait.
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Clamp, wait.
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TaDa!
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The bottom one is the first one, with the bottom and edges clamped between the sides. The top one is the second one, with everything glued to the edges of the side. You can see where it's a bit narrower. Plans are to put a red oak spine on them with some pull and label hardware to give the book shelf a bit of a vintage Globe-Wernicke vibe.
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Hopefully tomorrow, I can get back out there and knock out the next twelve of them. I've managed to smuggle in my musty old Woodsmith and Shopnotes collections. Next are dads old HOT RODS, from the 50's 60's and 70's.
I did get the edge trim done before the holiday, but haven't stained it yet.
Slight change of plans.
Instead of doors and drawers, I decided to work up some of the magazine boxes I've been talking about making for the book shelf.
Here is a previous model made almost 15 years ago at our sign shop.
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I stopped by the supplier and picked up a 4x8 of the PVC (sintra) I was talking about. I managed to slip down to my parents to trim the stuff down to dimension. I came out with enough to make 14 boxes.
I was excited to get going so I failed to take pics of the beginning few "steps".i took the first strip that had four sides end to end and jigsawed the curves close and then used a pattern bit to make everything clean.
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Luckily I found the old original pattern dad made.
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The line across the bottom is the amount I calculated that I need to modify the pattern to fit my bookshelf because the originals were just a bit to tall.
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I decided to mock two up before I went into production mode, which is a good thing. The first one I did, I put things together so the sides would pinch the bottom and uprights between them, because when trimming the stuff down in my parents basement, it made the most sense in my minds eye.
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What I didn't realize was making the box this way would cause the box to come up just a bit short for the width of a magazine making things a little cramped and bowed when you put them in.
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Well, ****!
Time to for plan B.
The second one I did, I made everything glue to the edges of the sides helping me pick up just under a half inch solving my problem.
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This also required me to shorten the hight of the sides by the thickness off the bottom again.
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Here's a tip!
When using double sided tape to hold pieces together for a router pattern bit, a little goes a long way. To much, like you see on the first picture of the pattern is WAY to much. Do something more like this. You'll find it much easier to separate, saving you a lot of cussing and you won't mar your **** up and bust knuckles while trying to pull **** apart.
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Zip zop, nice clean edge, time to figure out how to clamp this thing a different way.
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Luckily I had two pieces of the red oak trim I modified for the shelf reinforcement, which made for a great way to apply pressure along the whole edge of the piece.
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A little MEK in a MEK proof bottle with a small needle nozzle.
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A little a long the seam to be "glued". If I'm correct, the MEK wicks down between the two pieces and actually melts the PVC making a physical as well as chemical bond.
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Clamp, wait.
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Clamp, wait.
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Clamp, wait.
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TaDa!
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The bottom one is the first one, with the bottom and edges clamped between the sides. The top one is the second one, with everything glued to the edges of the side. You can see where it's a bit narrower. Plans are to put a red oak spine on them with some pull and label hardware to give the book shelf a bit of a vintage Globe-Wernicke vibe.
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Hopefully tomorrow, I can get back out there and knock out the next twelve of them. I've managed to smuggle in my musty old Woodsmith and Shopnotes collections. Next are dads old HOT RODS, from the 50's 60's and 70's.
taumac
Well-known member
Sorry missed your updates. Great job and the folding bench and the magazine holders. One suggestion is to put something like tar paper or other material in that cabinet with your fluids. It would be a shame for the fluids to stain all the woodwork to just did. Keep up all the great work.[emoji106]
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Here's pics from shaping up the other box sides.
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The pattern bit is big enough that I can trim four at a time.
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Trimmed up.
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Several cycles and a big mess later. This stuff sticks to everything.
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12 boxes ready for glue up.
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Here's pics from shaping up the other box sides.
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The pattern bit is big enough that I can trim four at a time.
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Trimmed up.
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Several cycles and a big mess later. This stuff sticks to everything.
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12 boxes ready for glue up.
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Nine assembled so far. Slow going. I think the cold in the garage slows down the MEK reacting with PVC. So I sneak out to the garage and clamp pieces together and wait for the next convenient time to sneak out again. I guess it would help if I had more clamps and could do more than one at a time.
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Nine assembled so far. Slow going. I think the cold in the garage slows down the MEK reacting with PVC. So I sneak out to the garage and clamp pieces together and wait for the next convenient time to sneak out again. I guess it would help if I had more clamps and could do more than one at a time.
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It's been about a month since the last update.
Spent some time building two more of the upper cabinets. These are both like the last one I built. 4' wide, 3' deep and roughly 2' tall.
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They will go above the left and right tall cabinets on the workbench wall.
I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to fashion another upper cabinet that will "fit around" the garage door track brace between the two I just built. It'd be nice to have a little extra upper storage and it would complete the look of the upper storage, but is it really worth it?
Also spent some time on the table saw setting up things for the drawers. I'm excited to try some half blind dovetails with the jig my wife bought me for Valentines day. Yeah, she's cool that way.
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It's been about a month since the last update.
Spent some time building two more of the upper cabinets. These are both like the last one I built. 4' wide, 3' deep and roughly 2' tall.
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They will go above the left and right tall cabinets on the workbench wall.
I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to fashion another upper cabinet that will "fit around" the garage door track brace between the two I just built. It'd be nice to have a little extra upper storage and it would complete the look of the upper storage, but is it really worth it?
Also spent some time on the table saw setting up things for the drawers. I'm excited to try some half blind dovetails with the jig my wife bought me for Valentines day. Yeah, she's cool that way.
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I know the doors for the over head storage are visible in the last post, but here are some pics of the process I went through making the slot for the panel.
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Just as a precaution, I kept the inside pocket screw out till I had the slot cut. The first few I did, i incidentally hit the screw head due to the location of the pocket.
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By making the slot with the door frame assembled eliminated any ( ok most ) chances of things not lining up.
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After a couple experimenting a little and a few "measurement issues", I started working on the drawers.
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I also managed to dig up the old B&D workmate after reading that thread about them.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92136&highlight=Workmate
Definitely nice to have another work surface.
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I know the back of the drawer isn't done correctly, but the goes back to the "measurement issues" I mentioned earlier. As dad would say. "I O A F drawer". It's only an effing drawer" luckily it's in the back and lesson learned on dovetail drawer dimensionality.
If you look at the tails at the front, by the red oak, it really displays how crappy the quality of plywood Im using. I wouldn't have thought it would come apart like that, boy was I wrong. Secretly, in the very back of my mind, I'm trying to figure out when I could remake these drawers out of better wood.
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I had originally bought some luan type quarter inch plywood for the bottoms, but I didn't like the way it looked or felt, so went and bought a sheet of hardboard.
Feels and looks a lot better.
View media item 48898So, I've managed to make four of the five long drawers, the fifth being a mismeasure fatality. I have yet to fix the dimension on five of the six small drawers but plans are formulas to happen this weekend. Luckily I was long the first time and can just trim them down. I'm also working an alternate face front for the 10" drawers because that much red oak, that wide, was a bit cost prohibitive. iOAFDrawer, right?
I know the doors for the over head storage are visible in the last post, but here are some pics of the process I went through making the slot for the panel.
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Just as a precaution, I kept the inside pocket screw out till I had the slot cut. The first few I did, i incidentally hit the screw head due to the location of the pocket.
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By making the slot with the door frame assembled eliminated any ( ok most ) chances of things not lining up.
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After a couple experimenting a little and a few "measurement issues", I started working on the drawers.
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I also managed to dig up the old B&D workmate after reading that thread about them.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92136&highlight=Workmate
Definitely nice to have another work surface.
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I know the back of the drawer isn't done correctly, but the goes back to the "measurement issues" I mentioned earlier. As dad would say. "I O A F drawer". It's only an effing drawer" luckily it's in the back and lesson learned on dovetail drawer dimensionality.
If you look at the tails at the front, by the red oak, it really displays how crappy the quality of plywood Im using. I wouldn't have thought it would come apart like that, boy was I wrong. Secretly, in the very back of my mind, I'm trying to figure out when I could remake these drawers out of better wood.
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I had originally bought some luan type quarter inch plywood for the bottoms, but I didn't like the way it looked or felt, so went and bought a sheet of hardboard.
Feels and looks a lot better.
View media item 48898So, I've managed to make four of the five long drawers, the fifth being a mismeasure fatality. I have yet to fix the dimension on five of the six small drawers but plans are formulas to happen this weekend. Luckily I was long the first time and can just trim them down. I'm also working an alternate face front for the 10" drawers because that much red oak, that wide, was a bit cost prohibitive. iOAFDrawer, right?
BBChevro
Well-known member
Just found this thread today, I like your cabinet work - the aluminium panels really add interest.
I can relate to using what's at hand for working on (I tend to use milk crates as make-shift work stands
).
Great work.
I can relate to using what's at hand for working on (I tend to use milk crates as make-shift work stands
).Great work.
Drawers look good. That big box plywood all has voids in it. Even their so called cabinet hardwood plywood that is $50 a sheet.
My local Hardwood dealer sells just about every plywood you could think of and their BB hardwood 3/4 ply is around $50 same as big box and excellent quality. Kinda high for garage cabinets and drawers but if you are already thinking of redoing them sounds like you wouldn't mind the better stuff.
My local Hardwood dealer sells just about every plywood you could think of and their BB hardwood 3/4 ply is around $50 same as big box and excellent quality. Kinda high for garage cabinets and drawers but if you are already thinking of redoing them sounds like you wouldn't mind the better stuff.
Thanks BBchevro! I'd originally intended to do engine turning on them, but the material which isn't legit aluminum didn't take to it very well.
Bi383ss. Not only is it full of voids but even the void less areas are coming unglued. D finitely on the hunt for a new source if I buy more wood. Someone mentioned appleply at some point. http://www.appleply.com
Luckily there's a wholesaler close, but I might have to find a buddy with a commercial license or business to buy through.
When I was learning to make some drawers like that I made a couple of mistakes and a couple of boxes with the leftover materials. Those boxes and drawers not used in the cabinets have proven to be very useful for storing other items and sit on shelves, so don't throw them away.
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So I managed to get to my parents this weekend and get some drawer stuff modified.
Most exciting for me, I found a sheet of really nice 1/2" birch cabinet grade ply, so I cut it up for the small drawers.
As you can (kinda) see here, with the other 1/2" I picked up at the local box, five plys with a thin surface veneer and plenty of voids.
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The stuff I found was much better.
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I decided to kreg jig these smaller drawers because I didn't want to ruin the wood learning to do dovetails on half inch wood. Also, I pretty much want to get these done, now! Lol
After adjusting the jig to 1/2" from its normal 3/4" setting so I didn't drill through the bottom (don't ask me how I know) I set up to have the screw pockets on the inside of the drawer because I thought that would look cleaner when you pulled the drawer out.
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Don't do that.
It causes the screws to split out the wood because of their angle.
You can see where I threw some glue at it to get it to stay.
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Screw pockets inside vs. outside the box.
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And the results. Split out with the screws inside, vs. nice and pretty without the splitout when the screws on the out side.
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I used some extra hard board left over from the long drawers for the bottoms, but only had enough for two, sorry, no pictures.
And for the third small drawer I used a drop of the sintra I had left over from the magazine boxes. (Yeah bj383, I save all the pieces too! Lol) here are some artsy shots.
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And now to "fit" them to the carcass. Let's just say not as nice and snug as I'd like it to be. Oh well, it's not a gerstner!
Some of the bow and droop you see is the camera. A lot of it isn't.
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In this second angle you can see the top gap is bigger on the sides of the outside drawers than the middle of the middle drawer. It happened when I glued and screwed the carass together (in a hurry). A combination of screws and a to narrow dadoe in the middle pushing the ends into a smile.
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I have several photos showing how I tried to use some 3/4" red oak veneer plywood for the faces of the two wider upper drawers. I tried to cut the pieces undersized with the plan being to put some quater inch edge band around the edges to hide the plys. Let's just say I'm not happy with the results and decided last night that I'm going to try rip down some of the same trim and make the faces the same as the others. I'm just not excited trying to rip the stuff with a circ saw vs. on a table saw. I really wish I had enough of the trim with me to rip enough for all the faces when I was at my parents.
Here's a pic showing the wider drawer I'd put together.miwas going to sand the edge trim flush etc, but I'm just not happy with it.
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I'm excited to get the rest of the drawers made so I can out tools in them and get this thread back to more of a garage thread and not so much a cabinetry thread!
So I managed to get to my parents this weekend and get some drawer stuff modified.
Most exciting for me, I found a sheet of really nice 1/2" birch cabinet grade ply, so I cut it up for the small drawers.
As you can (kinda) see here, with the other 1/2" I picked up at the local box, five plys with a thin surface veneer and plenty of voids.
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The stuff I found was much better.
View media item 48991
View media item 48992Sorry,need better quality control on the pics!
I decided to kreg jig these smaller drawers because I didn't want to ruin the wood learning to do dovetails on half inch wood. Also, I pretty much want to get these done, now! Lol
After adjusting the jig to 1/2" from its normal 3/4" setting so I didn't drill through the bottom (don't ask me how I know) I set up to have the screw pockets on the inside of the drawer because I thought that would look cleaner when you pulled the drawer out.
View media item 48993
Don't do that.
It causes the screws to split out the wood because of their angle.
You can see where I threw some glue at it to get it to stay.
View media item 48996
View media item 48995
View media item 48994
Screw pockets inside vs. outside the box.
View media item 48997
And the results. Split out with the screws inside, vs. nice and pretty without the splitout when the screws on the out side.
View media item 48998
I used some extra hard board left over from the long drawers for the bottoms, but only had enough for two, sorry, no pictures.
And for the third small drawer I used a drop of the sintra I had left over from the magazine boxes. (Yeah bj383, I save all the pieces too! Lol) here are some artsy shots.
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And now to "fit" them to the carcass. Let's just say not as nice and snug as I'd like it to be. Oh well, it's not a gerstner!
Some of the bow and droop you see is the camera. A lot of it isn't.
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In this second angle you can see the top gap is bigger on the sides of the outside drawers than the middle of the middle drawer. It happened when I glued and screwed the carass together (in a hurry). A combination of screws and a to narrow dadoe in the middle pushing the ends into a smile.
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I have several photos showing how I tried to use some 3/4" red oak veneer plywood for the faces of the two wider upper drawers. I tried to cut the pieces undersized with the plan being to put some quater inch edge band around the edges to hide the plys. Let's just say I'm not happy with the results and decided last night that I'm going to try rip down some of the same trim and make the faces the same as the others. I'm just not excited trying to rip the stuff with a circ saw vs. on a table saw. I really wish I had enough of the trim with me to rip enough for all the faces when I was at my parents.
Here's a pic showing the wider drawer I'd put together.miwas going to sand the edge trim flush etc, but I'm just not happy with it.
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I'm excited to get the rest of the drawers made so I can out tools in them and get this thread back to more of a garage thread and not so much a cabinetry thread!
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Well, I got over that idea and went out there and just sanded the **** out of it. It doesn't look to bad... Stain will hide it a bit too.
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So I decided to continue on to the other one being a little more mindful of fit...
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And here they are sanded and done.
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And now I'm onto the edge banding for the faces of the 10" drawers. This is gonna go slow... Those are home made edge band clamps from out of a shop notes.
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Well, I got over that idea and went out there and just sanded the **** out of it. It doesn't look to bad... Stain will hide it a bit too.
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So I decided to continue on to the other one being a little more mindful of fit...
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And here they are sanded and done.
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And now I'm onto the edge banding for the faces of the 10" drawers. This is gonna go slow... Those are home made edge band clamps from out of a shop notes.
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Nice work. I really like those shopmade edge band clamps. I don't recall seeing those. I myself actually prefer the look of plywood edges on my drawers. I have never tried to use my Kreg for 1/2" thickness
Also wasn't sure if you know about it but they do make some wood plugs you can use to glue over the pocket screws and hide them.
Also wasn't sure if you know about it but they do make some wood plugs you can use to glue over the pocket screws and hide them.