My grand plan. tips? suggestions?

[mysta2]

I wanted to share my ideas with the experts. I've been trying to think through all the problems that I might encounter and everything that I would want in a workspace but I know I'll never think of everything until I need it and it's not there... which I'm sure everyone on this forums been through at least a few times.

this is my basic sketch:

It's a single door, two car, around 20x20.

I don't know a lot about building cabinets but I'm thinking that the main ones along the back wall will feature 3 pantry style pullouts, one single sided one on the far side of the house door (there's only 5 inches between the jamb and the wall) and two 12" floor to ceiling ones on the other side of that door, both double sided. All the pullouts will be stocked with rail bins like this:

I'm going to have to make the rails out of some steel stock mounted to a plywood backer (the spine of the pullout) since the louver panel is prohibitively expensive. I'll also put a full length rail along the back of the workbench so that I can mount bins there temporarily without setting them on the workbench.

The next 48 inches following the pullouts on the right side of the door will be a toolbox up to about 33" high where the top drawer of the toolbox will be a full extension pullout light table. Above that will be traditional swinging door cabinets with my computer in the lower half and shelves in the upper.

The remaining 96 or so inches will be divided into two traditional floor to ceiling cabinets. All inside surfaces of the cabinets (including the doors and the cabinet with the computer in it) will be lined with Wall Control steel pegboard:

because it's reasonably priced and allows me to choose if I want to use the heavier duty slots or the more versatile holes. This way I can hang things on the wall of the cabinets or mount shelving if that makes more sense at the time. For the faces of all the doors I want to use either 3/8" ply or MDF which will be sprayed with poly and basecoat shot either white or black, then the mural will be printed on paper one door at a time and applied with contact cement (the basecoat stage may not be necessary) I'm hoping to be able to spray that with an automotive clear coat to preserve and protect it (I need to do some experimenting)

Infront of the waterheater will just be a false front panel to cover it.

The toughest part in my mind right now is the proposition of moving and reframing the door to the house to make it flush. So I figure I'll have to start with that and move out from there. Right now the door opens into the house, but since I want it to be flush I may have to switch it so it opens into the garage... is there any way around this? Unfortunately the garage is completely sheet rocked (we just bought this house a month ago, it was built in 2001) so I'm going to have to strip that to get to the plumbing, run airlines, electrical, and pack as much of the best insulation I can afford in there. The back wall (on the other side is the master bath) I can strip the sheetrock and replace it with 1/2" ply to build the cabinets onto (the rest of the cabinets will be all 3/8" ply or MDF)

Behind the workbench will be more of the Wall Control board. As for the workbench itself I’m not sure what to make it out of… laminated ply or something, but the top and front faces will have to be covered in stainless with the biggest SS sink I can find/afford at one end. I’m thinking of the workbench being 20” to 24” deep with big 45s cut off the corners so my girlfriend can go in and out without banging into a sharp corner. It also needs a rubber bumper along the front so that she can open car doors into it without significant damage to car or bench.

My compressor will be in the attic with two hose reels that will drop through the ceiling at the two front corners of the garage.

I also have a dream of building 3 pockets into the ceiling to hang my rolls of fiberglass and carbon.

Electrical will run the length of each side wall with outlets placed at around 2 foot increments at table height. I also need to put at least two outlets in each cabinet. I’d like to have hard airlines in the walls with at least an outlet at each corner.

I haven't figured lighting out yet, I could just do "boxes" on the ceiling but I like having light down low and on the walls rather than the ceiling. Or maybe recessed.

I’m not sure what to do with the floor. I can’t properly express how much I love this:

I want to do stained concrete so bad but fear it’s not practical for a working shop, someone please tell me that there’s a nice clear epoxy that I can cover it with and make it bulletproof. The worst stress my floor will experience regularly would be from the side stands of my bikes (to pivot a bike you balance it on the stand and spin it… convenient for you, tough on floors) I was thinking I could get some strips of industrial carpet to park them on long-term to protect the floor. I love the epoxy floor we have where I work, but it's so boreing.

All the drawer slides will all be Accuride self/soft closing and the hinges for the cabinets will be “European hinges” with self/soft closes (so all the stuff hanging on the door doesn’t fall off when the door’s slammed)

It's most of the time going to be housing stuff like this:

This is my old garage at my apartment.

I have 4 bikes which I work on regularly (my blog) and one car which I work on very infrequently, my car’s usually outside, and my girlfriends Saturn is inside.

p.s. I can't figure out why my sketch wont show in forums... maybe it's too big or something. Whatever the reason, it wont work, so my apologies but you'll have to click it or cut+paste the link into your browser.

Thanks for reading my long post, I'm anxious for suggestions and ideas all of you might have.

 

[mysta2]

This is what I'm seeing the cabinet layout to be:

I've got a picture of a 904, a 917, and a Brabham BT24. I haven't decided which to use yet.

and the pullouts:

 

[JMURiz]

Very cool layout, all kinds of storage and fully hidden when you want it to be.
Also room for one car and 4 bikes in the garage will be great.
Very well thought out plan, the work area on the left is very nice looking as well, wish I had a sink in mine.

After reading through the posts on the bike forum I have no doubt that this will be a top-notch garage when completed!
BTW, wish I had that kind of skill in bike restoration to use on my '65 ducati 80.

 

[MustangRick]

Your idea for the bins is about the same idea I have for the entertainment center I want to build. It is the most efficient use of space I could find for DVDs.
I have always thought about something like this link, but I think your idea is better:
http://www.globalindustrial.com/gcs/product/productInfo.web?infoParam.altNumKey=274333YL
I had my ac in the attic but my non insulated ceiling echoed. And, I didn't have an auto drain so that caused issues also.

 

[cc_rider]

Those bins are great for awhile, then they collect dust. A LOT of dust. And not just the regular household kind, but the greasy, oily, gritty dust common in most garages. I would look at something that can be closed up, whether it's drawers or a cabinet.

I made a bunch of shallow (4-6") tray-shelves for my walls. I made them just deep enough for one layer of whatever item: spray cans, oil cans, antifreeze, etc. The bottoms are made of perf steel, so dust falls through.

Akro-style bins SEEM a lot handier than they actually ARE. Like pegboard.

Just my opinion. Worth every penny you paid for it!

c.

 

[mysta2]

Those bins are great for awhile, then they collect dust. A LOT of dust. And not just the regular household kind, but the greasy, oily, gritty dust common in most garages. I would look at something that can be closed up, whether it's drawers or a cabinet...

Hmm, well they'll all be closed up inside the wall most of the time. The reason that I am looking into bins is because that's what we use here at work (Prototyping shop) and they're really versatile, handy and easy to use. The cabinet that MustangRick mentioned is exactly what we have here at work. They would mostly hold fasteners and small parts, the big traditional cabinets on the right side of my plan would be for the bigger stuff. I agree with your suggestion of shallow shelves, in my last garage (pictured previously) I had a little storage space:

that I lined two walls of with shallow shelves so that I could always see and get to everything. That's what I plan on doing inside the cabinets.

 

[Quiksilver]

Just a question on the compressor, how big is it and how much does it weigh? Just wondering if your attic will be able to withstand the vibration from a compressor. Also, noise from the compressor might upset the girlfriend. You may think about putting it next to the water heater behind the false panel.

By the way, I love the mural idea, have you seen it done before? If so, have any pics?

 

[mysta2]

currently the compressor is a craptastic little craftsman 12 gal 100 psi paint sprayer. I'd like to upgrade in the future... but I believe in laying a good infrastructure first. I was planning on laying down some plywood flooring in the attic and putting a layer of rubber under the unit, I don't know how it's going to sound, but putting a wall up there between it and the rest of the atticcould be in the plan if needed.

No. I've never seen the mural thing done. I got the idea when I was walking back from visiting someone in my apartment complex, It was across the parking lot and my door was still open, it ocurred to me that it would be cool of there was an image on the back wall of the garage that I could see from back there but from up close it would look more abstract, but I didn't want to spend the money or time on my apartment so I filed the idea away for later use.

I'll be sure to post some pics

 

[Panelrodder_81]

By the way, I love the mural idea, have you seen it done before? If so, have any pics?

I have a vinyl printing machine, 54" wide, and in some of my trade publications there was an ad running that showed to really old people, 80+, sitting in front of their garage. Nothing to exciting until you realize that the cars that are in the two bays are a Lambo and a Ferrari... but then you look closer and see that the doors are actually shut and the images are decals applied to the garage door panels! Pretty freakin' cool! I also was driving around my old neighborhood when I first moved there and saw a big garage with its doors open in the back yard of a house. Across the entire back wall was poster, looked photo realistic, of an early Vette doing a burn out! I am in the beginning stages of my garage build but a mural/wall wrap is going to be considered in the way I design and finish the interior! I have heard, not first hand stories, that there is a clear floor coating that you can put over a floor graphic and do something on the floor too.... might be a bit excessive but could be cool as heck!

-Panelrodder

 

[Morrisman]

For shelving you really want to work out exactly what is going on them before laying them out. like in your last piccie there is a lot of unused space as most of the stuff doesn't near fill it's area. Try having big shelves at the bottom getting gradually smaller as they move up the wall, so you can select where to put stuff based on it's size, and thus get much more efficiency from your storage.

My new shop is but 16' x 20', and I'm looking at the best possible storage I can find, but I want a lot of it to go up in the attic. I don't want shelves downstairs as they collect grinding dust and stuff as mentioned by Cc rider. I may get some shallow cupboards or cabinets if I can find them at the right price.

Here's my attic/loft, only 4' at the highest point, but I shall be buying a bunch of wheeled plastic boxes that will slide in between every rafter down each side, and make good use of the minimum head room at the sides. (When the flooring is finished) Some big clear labels on each box, and that will sort out a load of small stuff out pretty well.

 

[gesoffen]

Just a question on the compressor, how big is it and how much does it weigh? Just wondering if your attic will be able to withstand the vibration from a compressor. Also, noise from the compressor might upset the girlfriend. You may think about putting it next to the water heater behind the false panel.

If vibation/noise is an issue, you may want to consider a raft hung from the roof rafters rather than on the attic floor. Using vibration isolation hardware (plenty of it used in the commercial HVAC and plumbing business) to isolate from much of the structural vibration would be a huge noise reducer.

 

[Brunow]

Hi there,

Any update's since your last post?
I loved your TMW motorcycle thread!

when do you start your own small production racers?

 

[mysta2]

It's been a while, and it's time for an update.

I've packed out the attic a bit

And finished out the garage a bit too:

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[mysta2]

Some of my favorite details

My custom switch panel

Easier to tune like this

The obligatory plate collection

Favorite poster



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