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My HD40 application experience.

TheGator

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Finally got around to treating the floor in my new 40x60. After a boat load of reading and debating I decided on Legacy HD40 and wanted to give my thoughts on the product, install and results. I did this all myself with exception to my brother in law running the pump up sprayer, and this is my first time doing this type of work.
So here's how it went...
Received product, hogs hair burnishing pads and microfiber applicator from Legacy in a timely, well packaged manner. In under 5 days from Florida to ohio ordered on Sunday so no complaints there.

I watched numerous videos and read over the application instructions dozens of times, it's pretty basic, but wanted to do it right. So after thoroughly sweeping and mopping the already clean floor friday and picking up the burnisher, I was ready to go yesterday. So we waited till air temps came up in early afternoon. Slab temp was 57F...air temp 62. Product temp was 68F. So a couple degrees less that recommended, but this is last chance I had to do this this year so I wasn't real worried about slab being 3F lower than recommended install temp...it didn't seem to effect anything.
So I open the 5 gal bucket to mix the HD 40. I was a little concerned about how much dried product was in there. I pulled out a few good globs/ribbons of it while stiring. Thought that was it but i was wrong which i found out when we got to spraying and spreading/working in the HD40. I had read nothing about straining the product and didn't see any big chunks when pouring into sprayer...but there was alot of small dried pieces in there that kept clogging sprayer...we after numerous cloggs we cleaned out sprayer and ran the HD40 through cheese cloth and that cured the clogging issue. I would recommend anyone else to do the same. Cheap insurance from an hours worth of headaches.

Anyways, after we got sprayer issues worked out the next issue was spreading the stuff around. I bought the microfiber pads and applicator from Legacy...I'm not trying to be an *** here, as I'm happy with the HD40, but DONT BUY THEM! Unless your floor is already smooth as glass...that's the only way I see them working. My power troweled floor is pretty darn smooth but I could not get the pad to stay planted any way I tried, kept grabbing and flipping over and piss in me off and making a mess of things...I went and grabbed my wife's cheap sponge mop and it worked like a charm. A little bigger one would have been nice, but it work great. Sorry Legacy, great product..poor applicator.
Once we got sprayer and spreader going we knocked out 3 coats and let it do it's thing for awhile and watched my kids play in a mud puddle and had a few well earned beers.
One other note application. Keeping a wet edge is important and required a somewhat quick hand and synchronized sprayer/spreader pace on the first coat. Also, work backwards and go over your foot prints quickly if you get any on wet product...if they dry there, you will see them in the right light.

So onto Burnishing...this takes awhile but is mind numbingly simple after you get used to the machine. But here is one of my concerns...I tried working the burnisher hard into the floor, going very slow, going faster, going every direction...For the life if me I could not see any difference in the floor no matter how I burnished it...I could however 'feel' a difference when walking on it. The burnished area was not as slick. I could feel my boots didon't twist or slide across the surface as easily once burnished. But no visible difference...which made it hard to stand there burnishing for hours, but that was the recommended process so burnish I did. And here are the results below. Feel free to ask questions and if anyone from Legacy has any input on my install, the floaters in the product or the applicator issues I'm all ears. Very happy overall, it looks and feels like it will last forever.
 

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Thanks for sharing; it's nice to hear firsthand experience and see photos.

Did the floor stay glossy after burnishing, or is your last photo when the floor was wet?

How slippery is the floor? What's your opinion of what it'll be like with a bit of water or sawdust on it?
 
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Damn it...I had a full post typed and lost it...anyways, long of it short is this:
-stays glossy, even after just spraying and spreading
-last pic floor is dry, half burnished, half not...I can see no difference after burnishing, only feel slight difference when walking on it.
-it's not to slick, having sawdust or the like could change that, but it could on any smooth surface.
-I did a water test on it this afternoon, didn't make it very slippery, but I wear slip resistant sole boots. I'm sure oil would be slick on it without non slip soles.
MY BIG CONCERNS:
-water bleeds through it in 15-20 minutes tops. I had dark spots everywhere I got even a drop of water on floor within that time frame...if water gets through that fast oil and such worries me...Doesn't seem like much of a "stain guard" if fluids that will stain get through that fast. I'm going to test oil, brake fluid and antifreeze and koolaid in inconspicuous spots this week and will post back...I'm concerned.
-my 4 year old managed to scratch the hell out of a few spots just ridding his plastic tired big wheel around this afternoon...if a soft plastic tire with 35lbs of kid on it scratches it up that easily I have serious doubts about durability with anything I'm gonna do in there.
-if water soaks through in 15 minutes...what's gonna happen with any salty snow melt off my vehicles that hits the floor?
Perhaps someone from Legacy will be kind enough to chime in and tell me what real would expectations I should have, I'm a bit nervous I wasted 2 days and $500+ at this point.
I'll post back with fluud test results later this week.
 

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Wow yes I would have the same concerns as you at this point. I was thinking maybe I should have went with this system instead of the armorpoxy but now I’m not to sure. Definitely interested in how your test turns out.
 

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MY BIG CONCERNS:
-water bleeds through it in 15-20 minutes tops. I had dark spots everywhere I got even a drop of water on floor within that time frame...if water gets through that fast oil and such worries me...Doesn't seem like much of a "stain guard" if fluids that will stain get through that fast.

-my 4 year old managed to scratch the hell out of a few spots just ridding his plastic tired big wheel around this afternoon...if a soft plastic tire with 35lbs of kid on it scratches it up that easily I have serious doubts about durability with anything I'm gonna do in there.

-if water soaks through in 15 minutes...what's gonna happen with any salty snow melt off my vehicles that hits the floor?
Perhaps someone from Legacy will be kind enough to chime in and tell me what real would expectations I should have, I'm a bit nervous I wasted 2 days and $500+ at this point.
I'll post back with fluud test results later this week.

Thanks for the review. I was planning on placing my order today for the HD-40 for my Floor, however after reading your experience, I will have to see what response you get from Legacy.
 

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Finally got around to treating the floor in my new 40x60. After a boat load of reading and debating I decided on Legacy HD40 and wanted to give my thoughts on the product, install and results. I did this all myself with exception to my brother in law running the pump up sprayer, and this is my first time doing this type of work.
So here's how it went...
Received product, hogs hair burnishing pads and microfiber applicator from Legacy in a timely, well packaged manner. In under 5 days from Florida to ohio ordered on Sunday so no complaints there.

I watched numerous videos and read over the application instructions dozens of times, it's pretty basic, but wanted to do it right. So after thoroughly sweeping and mopping the already clean floor friday and picking up the burnisher, I was ready to go yesterday. So we waited till air temps came up in early afternoon. Slab temp was 57F...air temp 62. Product temp was 68F. So a couple degrees less that recommended, but this is last chance I had to do this this year so I wasn't real worried about slab being 3F lower than recommended install temp...it didn't seem to effect anything.
So I open the 5 gal bucket to mix the HD 40. I was a little concerned about how much dried product was in there. I pulled out a few good globs/ribbons of it while stiring. Thought that was it but i was wrong which i found out when we got to spraying and spreading/working in the HD40. I had read nothing about straining the product and didn't see any big chunks when pouring into sprayer...but there was alot of small dried pieces in there that kept clogging sprayer...we after numerous cloggs we cleaned out sprayer and ran the HD40 through cheese cloth and that cured the clogging issue. I would recommend anyone else to do the same. Cheap insurance from an hours worth of headaches.

Anyways, after we got sprayer issues worked out the next issue was spreading the stuff around. I bought the microfiber pads and applicator from Legacy...I'm not trying to be an *** here, as I'm happy with the HD40, but DONT BUY THEM! Unless your floor is already smooth as glass...that's the only way I see them working. My power troweled floor is pretty darn smooth but I could not get the pad to stay planted any way I tried, kept grabbing and flipping over and piss in me off and making a mess of things...I went and grabbed my wife's cheap sponge mop and it worked like a charm. A little bigger one would have been nice, but it work great. Sorry Legacy, great product..poor applicator.
Once we got sprayer and spreader going we knocked out 3 coats and let it do it's thing for awhile and watched my kids play in a mud puddle and had a few well earned beers.
One other note application. Keeping a wet edge is important and required a somewhat quick hand and synchronized sprayer/spreader pace on the first coat. Also, work backwards and go over your foot prints quickly if you get any on wet product...if they dry there, you will see them in the right light.

So onto Burnishing...this takes awhile but is mind numbingly simple after you get used to the machine. But here is one of my concerns...I tried working the burnisher hard into the floor, going very slow, going faster, going every direction...For the life if me I could not see any difference in the floor no matter how I burnished it...I could however 'feel' a difference when walking on it. The burnished area was not as slick. I could feel my boots didon't twist or slide across the surface as easily once burnished. But no visible difference...which made it hard to stand there burnishing for hours, but that was the recommended process so burnish I did. And here are the results below. Feel free to ask questions and if anyone from Legacy has any input on my install, the floaters in the product or the applicator issues I'm all ears. Very happy overall, it looks and feels like it will last forever.

Thanks for this and please email me or DM me your info so I can see how long ago the product was shipped out, that may be the issue with lumps. 1st time I have heard of this issue.
 

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Damn it...I had a full post typed and lost it...anyways, long of it short is this:
-stays glossy, even after just spraying and spreading
-last pic floor is dry, half burnished, half not...I can see no difference after burnishing, only feel slight difference when walking on it.
-it's not to slick, having sawdust or the like could change that, but it could on any smooth surface.
-I did a water test on it this afternoon, didn't make it very slippery, but I wear slip resistant sole boots. I'm sure oil would be slick on it without non slip soles.
MY BIG CONCERNS:
-water bleeds through it in 15-20 minutes tops. I had dark spots everywhere I got even a drop of water on floor within that time frame...if water gets through that fast oil and such worries me...Doesn't seem like much of a "stain guard" if fluids that will stain get through that fast. I'm going to test oil, brake fluid and antifreeze and koolaid in inconspicuous spots this week and will post back...I'm concerned.
-my 4 year old managed to scratch the hell out of a few spots just ridding his plastic tired big wheel around this afternoon...if a soft plastic tire with 35lbs of kid on it scratches it up that easily I have serious doubts about durability with anything I'm gonna do in there.
-if water soaks through in 15 minutes...what's gonna happen with any salty snow melt off my vehicles that hits the floor?
Perhaps someone from Legacy will be kind enough to chime in and tell me what real would expectations I should have, I'm a bit nervous I wasted 2 days and $500+ at this point.
I'll post back with fluud test results later this week.

Plastic tires will scuff a 5.00 psqft epoxy-floor as well as this Guard.
Try adding a coat of cherry-wax, it does a good job of helping to prevent scuff marks.

It is a permeable product, it breathes. Therefore water will get through it. Oil does not go through it, it sits on top. It is the specified product for ALL new Jiffy Lube Stores.

If you want a High Performing floor coating solution turn to our Nohr-S Polyurea.
 
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I tried to send you a PM...either you got it 3 times or not all, the website or my phone was being finicky. Please let know if you received or not. Thanks.
 

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I tried to send you a PM...either you got it 3 times or not all, the website or my phone was being finicky. Please let know if you received or not. Thanks.

Got it and replied.
Also... this link shows oil that sat on our product for 2 weeks and not a bit of staining.
The competitors product (touted as oil resistant gave up within 24 hrs.). The competitors product is talked-up plenty on this forum. :(

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bjamid1BSaY/
 
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I've been researching this for my own project and haven't found anywhere that rents a high speed burnisher, everyone just has the floor maintainers/polishers. Did you find a real high speed burnisher, or perhaps the rental joint gave you a polisher and maybe that is why you couldn't see any difference after working it in? Polishers/maintainers typically have the motor dead center over the pad, where a burnisher has the motor offset, I imagine for some sort of transmission/gear multiplication to get the higher speeds. There is a big difference between a 175 RPM polishing machine and a 2000 RPM burnishing machine, and I've read that the polisher won't generate the heat needed to gloss it up. Just curious and thanks for the useful post!
 
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It was a burnisher, tricky to find I agree, but definately a burnisher. Motor was offset and ran Closer to 1000rpm than 2000 though. As stated before, it's pretty glossy...just didn't look any different between burnishing and not burnishing. I even tried holding the thing in one spot for awhile in a corner to see if it would burn/eat through...nothing...I found this odd, but also as I said, though no difference was seen, it could be felt walking on it after burnishing. Going to try some cherry wax ina small area and see how that works out.
 
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Good info. Sounds like you did everything right, disappointing that it didn't buff out better, but it sounds like you're generally happy with the finish. Definitely interested in your results with the wax. Keep us updated!
 
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I'm content overall. The product came out plenty glossy for my liking. Durability will be determined over time.This is not intended to knock the HD40 or Legacy in any way. It just seems there is a bit lacking in regard to what to expect from the HD40 in real world DIY scenarios so I figured I share my experience. As I stated earlier, the air and surface temps were right at the or a couple degrees below the recommend application temp of 60F. I don't if or how that may affect things. I'm not building a show piece shop, no matter what goes on the floor its going to get beat up. My main concern is keeping staining to a minimum. This product will do that for oil based liquids...water based is where the concern is. I will eventually get to testing some different fluids in places and I'll make sure to update when I do.
 

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Is it possible that those solids that you removed, and then strained, were the part of the mixture that does something like resist stains or add durability?
 
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I doubt that. It was more like dried product that had cured on the lid or sides in storage and worked it's way loose and into the mix in shipping/stirring. Not enough to say it was any vital portion of the HD40, just enough to play hell with clogging up my sprayer nozzle.
 
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Just a brief update. I've gotten a sample of cherry wax to try out. I don't know if the temps are going to cooperate for trying it out here soon but I'll update when I do with how that works out.
 
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Brief update as its been awhile since doing so on this thread. Temp are working their way up, but not enough to put down the cherry wax sample I was sent. Haven't used the barn much as I don't have heat yet but starting to get out there on nicer days. Did a brake line job the other day and found out something about HD40 and brake fluid...they ARE NOT happy companions. The attached photo is a puddle from a line that was leaking when I pulled the truck in. It was on the floor no more than 5 miutes before I went to wipe it up and put a catch pan under it. I was quite unpleasantly surprised to say the least. I'll test this again once cherry wax goes down but keep this in mind if you do any brake work on an HD40 treated floor...DO NOT let brake fluid hit the floor, it soaks through faster than water and unlike water it does not evaporate back out, this spot still looks the same few days later. My brother in law has been doing some work on his semi over the winter in the barn and diesel oil, gear lube and grease wipe right off with no issue after a few days. I'll update again once the cherry wax goes down and will try to get a small test of different common fluids done.
 

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I'm content overall. The product came out plenty glossy for my liking. Durability will be determined over time.This is not intended to knock the HD40 or Legacy in any way. It just seems there is a bit lacking in regard to what to expect from the HD40 in real world DIY scenarios so I figured I share my experience. As I stated earlier, the air and surface temps were right at the or a couple degrees below the recommend application temp of 60F. I don't if or how that may affect things. I'm not building a show piece shop, no matter what goes on the floor its going to get beat up. My main concern is keeping staining to a minimum. This product will do that for oil based liquids...water based is where the concern is. I will eventually get to testing some different fluids in places and I'll make sure to update when I do.



Glad for the feedback. We go out of our way to give accurate info on this and all our products. Unfortunately, some products garner mythical reputations, especially when they are more affordable than higher-performing products.

If you want high chem and wear resistant floors, go Nohr-S Polyurea or HellFire.


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I did a fair bit of reading before going with the HD40...honestly reality contradicted alot of what i read. short of the resistance to higher viscosity petroleum oils soaking through I don't see any advantage to the HD40. Rust penetrant, hydraulic fluid, coolant, solvent, any colored water based product all will penetrate and stain. This stuff is really only functional against oil spills and grease and as a surface densifier. Now that my lift is in and my messes will be more concentrated, I'll have to look into something else for that area at least. Just wish I'd found more real world input on the product before spending the time and money to put it down. Would be good for oil change shop floor, not so much a full service shop/home garage floor.
 
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