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My heated cabinet solution.

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My shop (which is located at 8000 feet in the mountains of Colorado) is unheated when I'm not in it.

A couple of years ago we had a good freeze (an extended period of -20 temperatures) and after it was over I was saddened to find that of the 16 lithium batteries I had in the shop about a dozen of them were dead and would not take a charge. (Yes I know how to bypass the protection circuit and attempt to force them to take a charge but that is not the point of this post :D )

So I decided to build a heated cabinet to keep this from ever happening again. :thumbup:

The key components are a ThermoCube:
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and an industrial heated floor mat:
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Then I threw some foam I had laying around into the cabinet to somewhat improve efficiency.
I'm going to add another shelf to the space for usable "warm space" but this gives the idea:
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Basically the switch for the heated floor mat is on all of the time and plugged into the thermocube.

The thermocube turns the electricity on if the temperature drops below 35°F and then turns it off at 45°F.

So when the temperature starts to get down to about freezing, the cube triggers, the heated mat turns on and heats the cabinet. The mat runs at 90 watts which heats it to a maximum of 130°F. Once the temp in the space is above 45, the electricity is cut and it starts to cool. Repeat until the cold spell is over.

Should solve the issue of ever having frozen battery failures ever again and I can stop schlepping batteries from the house to the shop (which is what I did all this past winter - never failed - every time I didn't bother to bring one out I had to run back in at some point and get one :mad: ).

I'm going to do some testing and if this works well I think I may in fact insulate this entire cabinet and also keep things like wood glues, paints, etc that are temp sensitive in it. :)

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Just thought I'd share in the hopes that it might help someone as I have learned a bunch reading on GJ about lightbulb cabinet solutions, etc. that other's have posted :beer:

cheers!
Edward
 
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Hmm, that's a great idea.. I have to bring in several boxes of glues and other things that shouldn't freeze inside every winter.

So far it hasn't been an issue, but I should probably be doing the same with all my batteries..

Do you have any links where you picked up the items? I could probably find most of the stuff on Amazon...
 

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Cool idea.

Being a GEEK is cool too

I'm really glad the internet wasn't around when I was a kid. I'd never explored nature and would have been a **** addict.

I'm really glad it's around now. There isn't anything you can't figure out by online research no matter where you live. Also ordering parts is a whole lot easier.
 
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Note: The thermocube I linked to above has several options to choose what temp range works for your environment. I linked to the 35-45 but you can change it by selecting the boxes in the middle. :beer:


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I live in northern Canada and I bought into the milwaukee lithium series literally weeks after they were available about 7 years ago, My tools stay outside in my truck all winter and regularly get used in freezing temperatures. Everyone else up here dose the same and I have never even heard of a lithium battery failing from freezing, especially not from freezing once.
Something else happened to your batteries.
 

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great idea - I am thinking the loss of heat in the R value and the heat it takes to make up the r value loss would be much cheaper then the replacement of all the batteries, glue, ect. I suppose over its life the long term cost could be an issue, but he would spend a lot more heating the entire shop, and would endure large *** pains by carting the stuff in the cabinet back and forth...I'm on board! I want to build one now.
 
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I live in northern Canada and I bought into the milwaukee lithium series literally weeks after they were available about 7 years ago, My tools stay outside in my truck all winter and regularly get used in freezing temperatures. Everyone else up here dose the same and I have never even heard of a lithium battery failing from freezing, especially not from freezing once.
Something else happened to your batteries.

If a lithium battery is stored in sub-freezing temperatures in a discharged state the battery's internal voltage can (eventually will) drop below the "safety limits" so that the protection in the charging circuitry will not allow it to charge (even though there is nothing wrong with the battery - the protection circuitry exists so it doesn't try and charge a battery with damaged cells - which has the potential to explode (and the friggers go off like a hang grenade when they do! DAMHIK :D ) ). There is a way around it (as referenced in my first post). The more juice in the battery the longer it can sit before self-depleting below this level.

Where in northern Canada? I grew up in Northern Ontario near a town called Echo Bay :beer:
 
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I made something similar for my work truck. I used a cooler with an added layer of internal insulation and 2 small 12 volt bulbs control by a little in-line t-stat for heat. I keep my batteries, glue and other things I don't want frozen in it.
 

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If you read about lipo batts they should never go below 3.7v per cell. Below freezing they will loose voltage fast. If you start with a half charged battery it could be dead in a week at below freezing.
This is a great idea. I had to thaw my Wood glue this winter in a pot of hot water to use it. Might have to make one of these up.
 

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Good solution OP. Thanks for sharing.

I'll be keeping an eye out for small refrigerator on CL (dead or alive ;)) as it would be be plenty big for my batteries and glue, etc. I've always brought other car detail stuff in for winter like car wax, Armor all, etc. so those could stay out in garage heated cabinet.
 

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That's ridiculous. EPS and XPS have nearly identical R per inch. Somewhere between 4 and 5.


I concur. Unless he is considering some extreme amount of thermal drift.

To the OP, nice work and thanks for sharing. I need on of these for my cottage; garage isn't heated.
 
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We are supposed to get 8-16" of snow tonight and drop below freezing so I will throw a recording thermometer in the cabinet and see what happens. :popcorn:


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26F (-3C) degrees in the shop right now.
I put the thermometer reader in the cabinet next to the thermo cube.
When I opened the cabinet door I could feel the heat pour out :D

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The relevent numbers on this are the high and low (the "outdoor" sensor was in the cabinet). The shelf never got below 38 and got as warm as 54.

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Perfect!

I think I will add more insulation and try heating the entire cabinet.
 
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I stand corrected. I just called my supplier & was given R3.9 per inch .

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I pulled that number (R5/1") off the 'net as a quick reference. For reference, Menard's shows 1" as an R4.

http://www.menards.com/main/buildin...d-polystyrene-insulation/p-2740518-c-5779.htm

I knew it was more than what you first posted but I haven't been back to the thread since I made that post. White extruded styrofoam is quite higher than what most people think. While it's not as high as pink XPS or poly ISO it's close enough if you consider the price point.
 
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