OzarkMan
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Looks like one massive space. I think the inspector is really looking to make sure your place won't be used as a business. You will be fine otherwise.
My new place! The Mopar Mill!
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rixtrix1
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Good to see this coming together! I love the industrial home-shop concept. I drew plans for one as a design project in my industrial drawing class in high school, but I ended up with a ranch in the 'burbs
xtremek
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I got my fingers crossed for your inspection.
I would tend to agree. Once they find it's personal use, it really should be that big of a deal unless the place is zoned commercial. If that's the case, you might have an issue with having a residence there.
dodge610
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OH to have a shop that big I would be in heaven all my projects under roof hell yeah.
I have been super busy getting the place ready for the fire inspector, and it has been inspected - the shop passed!
I went and did the shop work to commercial standards. Its all type X sheetrock, a new fire rated steel door, etc. I also had actually had to rewire a good chunk of the wiring as it was half conduit and half added on romex. Now its all conduit or AC90. Permits alone for that were close to $300.
I am going to finally setup my air compressor, and am looking at hoists right now. I just found a nice rotary 2 post asymetrical I might be picking up. I still have to build a work bench or two, but its getting to the point where I can actually work IN the shop, instead of ON the shop.
I hope to finish the wiring in the front this weekend, and have the HVAC guys coming in to quote on my heat and A/C. I hope they are reasonable, but I am getting the feeling that these guys might be pricey. The ballpark numbers they were throwing my way were 50% higher than the other quotes I have gotten.
The place has multizoning, including light commercial, and residential. That was one of the reasons I bought it.
I went and did the shop work to commercial standards. Its all type X sheetrock, a new fire rated steel door, etc. I also had actually had to rewire a good chunk of the wiring as it was half conduit and half added on romex. Now its all conduit or AC90. Permits alone for that were close to $300.
I am going to finally setup my air compressor, and am looking at hoists right now. I just found a nice rotary 2 post asymetrical I might be picking up. I still have to build a work bench or two, but its getting to the point where I can actually work IN the shop, instead of ON the shop.
I hope to finish the wiring in the front this weekend, and have the HVAC guys coming in to quote on my heat and A/C. I hope they are reasonable, but I am getting the feeling that these guys might be pricey. The ballpark numbers they were throwing my way were 50% higher than the other quotes I have gotten.
The place has multizoning, including light commercial, and residential. That was one of the reasons I bought it.
xtremek
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Congrats on passing inspection, very cool. And thanks for the update. It sounds like you've been super busy. Now shut up and get back to work!
OJ Bartley
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Congrats on passing the inspection Rick! That's a big step, especially in a non-standard space like yours. Looking forward to seeing more cool stuff.
rixtrix1
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Good to see all your hard work paid off. Hope you get the HVAC straightened out affordably. Thanks for the update.
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Pluribus
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Cool old building with lots of character...I love it and will look forward to the updates and progress!
Ole_Red
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Very cool old building. Would love something like that.
rixtrix1
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Time for some pics, Rick! Puleeze
Pics!
A recap - this is the ceiling of the shop before. You can see it used to have sheetrock on it but had been stripped by the previous owner and never reinstalled.
The fire inspector said that was not good. Luckily all the other things I did to get ready for the inspector was adequate (new fire door between the living area and the shop, half a dozen new fire extinguishers neatly mounted, several new smoke detectors, and a steel cabinet for the burny stuff). So he said that the ceiling needed to have vapor barrier and 5/8" sheetrock reinstalled.
One of the problems was that the last owner just tore down all the old sheetroc and left all the nails and screws still hanging from the beams. So I rented a lift and had to clean the ceiling of 22lbs of nails and screws (I weighed it) before we stapled up the 6 mil poly vapor barrier. Then came many many sheets (around 50ish) of 5/8" type X fire code sheetrock. We had a small problem with the lift where it would not lift the two of us, our tools, and the 81lb full sheet of sheetrock. So we had to cut the full sheets in half to install them. That sucked.
It took about 10 days to get the ceiling cleaned, the vapor barrier up, the sheetrock up, mudded, and the edges caulked with fire rated caulk. I was working by myself a lot, but a few good friends showed up and helped me. My friend Tamara actually was a godsend and one hell of a hard worker. She is a theater carpenter with her lift and high work ticket
I took these pics this morning on my way to work. Yesterday was the first day I actually got to work in my garage, instead of on it. I changed the A/C belt and tensioner on my 2003 Silverado.
All done and everything moved back into the shop
A recap - this is the ceiling of the shop before. You can see it used to have sheetrock on it but had been stripped by the previous owner and never reinstalled.
The fire inspector said that was not good. Luckily all the other things I did to get ready for the inspector was adequate (new fire door between the living area and the shop, half a dozen new fire extinguishers neatly mounted, several new smoke detectors, and a steel cabinet for the burny stuff). So he said that the ceiling needed to have vapor barrier and 5/8" sheetrock reinstalled.
One of the problems was that the last owner just tore down all the old sheetroc and left all the nails and screws still hanging from the beams. So I rented a lift and had to clean the ceiling of 22lbs of nails and screws (I weighed it) before we stapled up the 6 mil poly vapor barrier. Then came many many sheets (around 50ish) of 5/8" type X fire code sheetrock. We had a small problem with the lift where it would not lift the two of us, our tools, and the 81lb full sheet of sheetrock. So we had to cut the full sheets in half to install them. That sucked.
It took about 10 days to get the ceiling cleaned, the vapor barrier up, the sheetrock up, mudded, and the edges caulked with fire rated caulk. I was working by myself a lot, but a few good friends showed up and helped me. My friend Tamara actually was a godsend and one hell of a hard worker. She is a theater carpenter with her lift and high work ticket
I took these pics this morning on my way to work. Yesterday was the first day I actually got to work in my garage, instead of on it. I changed the A/C belt and tensioner on my 2003 Silverado.
All done and everything moved back into the shop
xtremek
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Very nice job. Looking forward to seeing more.
sublime68charger
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Great job on passing fire inspection,
Keep up the great work.
Keep up the great work.
Well, I bought the Ford-Smith hoist and its sitting in my shop. I still need to reassemble it but it came from a ford dealership and was certified and inspected last august. It is a 7000lb model, 2 post model. Total cost - $400 and a $50 trailer rental.
I also got a 4x8' table built for sheet metal work, that is the perfect height for my 48" Brown and Boggs stomp shear (shear was a freebie!), and my 36" sheet metal brake
I bought a spool of 10-2 AC90 wire for the compressor, and will put in a 30 amp breaker in case I ever get a larger compressor. Might as well only do it once. I have to replace a gasket on the compressor and run the wiring still....
In the front, I was able to get the HVAC guys in - they installed all new duct work, a 2.5 ton AC unit, and 60K BTU high efficiency furnace. It was not cheap, but was just in time for the cold weather to show up. I have also been insulating a lot, but still have to replace some metal roofing where it leaks in one spot (was not installed correctly) before I can finish the insulating.
To get the place ready for the HVAC guys I had to finish the furnace room, install a couple of insulated doors, and get the wiring completed. I have a little more wiring to do then I will call the inspector in and get him to inspect it all. I have done all the wiring in AC90 12-2 cable, except for the A/C run which was AC90 10-2.
I also removed a redundant door and am removing a non structural wall. We thought it was structural, until we pulled of the gyproc and saw that it didn't touch the joists. It will open up the downstairs a lot.
I am making progress...its slow, but its progress. Pics soon....
I also got a 4x8' table built for sheet metal work, that is the perfect height for my 48" Brown and Boggs stomp shear (shear was a freebie!), and my 36" sheet metal brake
I bought a spool of 10-2 AC90 wire for the compressor, and will put in a 30 amp breaker in case I ever get a larger compressor. Might as well only do it once. I have to replace a gasket on the compressor and run the wiring still....
In the front, I was able to get the HVAC guys in - they installed all new duct work, a 2.5 ton AC unit, and 60K BTU high efficiency furnace. It was not cheap, but was just in time for the cold weather to show up. I have also been insulating a lot, but still have to replace some metal roofing where it leaks in one spot (was not installed correctly) before I can finish the insulating.
To get the place ready for the HVAC guys I had to finish the furnace room, install a couple of insulated doors, and get the wiring completed. I have a little more wiring to do then I will call the inspector in and get him to inspect it all. I have done all the wiring in AC90 12-2 cable, except for the A/C run which was AC90 10-2.
I also removed a redundant door and am removing a non structural wall. We thought it was structural, until we pulled of the gyproc and saw that it didn't touch the joists. It will open up the downstairs a lot.
I am making progress...its slow, but its progress. Pics soon....
rixtrix1
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What a good deal on that hoist! A friend got a similar deal on a 4 poster from a dealership. Good to hear you got the heat installed, as I'll bet it's getting quite cool at night up there. Did you get the well going yet?
(The only way I hear about these great deals is when someone else gets them )
(The only way I hear about these great deals is when someone else gets them
)Switching to municipal water will be next year. I have to get some roofing done before the snow flies. I have a small roof that needs the steel roofing replaced because they are installed incorrectly. I have new proper roofing and just need to get someone up here to help me with it because the 12' lengths are too hard to move around by myself.
I haven't been posting much since I am trying like mad to get the Mill ready for winter. Nothing has been done in the shop except fixing a friends car - all four struts needed replacing. It would have been soooo much easier if I had the hoist and air compressor setup, but that will wait until I get the place ready for winter.
I ended up replacing the metal roof by myself and no leaks! I also got that room 3/4 insulated with just a small section of the roof to complete. I want to get that done ASAP.
I also ended up getting a couple friends over and replacing the half of the flat roof that leaks with adhesive roll roofing. I went with a 2 layer system and it came out ok. We had a miscommunication at one point while installing it and there is an area that will probably need to be redone next year. Oh well. At least the roofing I have done so far doesn't leak.
There is a crappy greenhouse over the leaky roof that I am going to remove this weekend, and do all the flashing since it is still leaking where there is supposed to be flashing and isn't any. I also have to redo thethe wall where the greenhouse is and install a door. Its all open to the studs, so I will have to wrap it, and reside it. I have all the materials, but just need to get to it. Its not in a heated area, but I would like to have it closed up for the winter. Then there is the door way in that wall.
The door opening that is already there is about 4 feet wide and the lintel is just nailed in from the sides (its not sitting on any jack posts) so I am going to have to frame it down to the standard 32" door I have, and I will replace the lintel with one that is properly supported.
There have been many WTF moments construction wise with this building but it is getting better all the time. We had a wicked windstorm last night (remnants of Hurricane Patricia) that brought down a lot of branches. The building was fine, and this is is loads better than when I bought the place and any strong winds made the place shake. I guess a few thousand screws, sheathing all the interior walls, and actually screwing down all the siding and roofing properly makes a big difference. It was pretty solid and except for the tree branches coming down (on my nice new roof) it was pretty quiet and no shaking
I ended up replacing the metal roof by myself and no leaks! I also got that room 3/4 insulated with just a small section of the roof to complete. I want to get that done ASAP.
I also ended up getting a couple friends over and replacing the half of the flat roof that leaks with adhesive roll roofing. I went with a 2 layer system and it came out ok. We had a miscommunication at one point while installing it and there is an area that will probably need to be redone next year. Oh well. At least the roofing I have done so far doesn't leak.
There is a crappy greenhouse over the leaky roof that I am going to remove this weekend, and do all the flashing since it is still leaking where there is supposed to be flashing and isn't any. I also have to redo thethe wall where the greenhouse is and install a door. Its all open to the studs, so I will have to wrap it, and reside it. I have all the materials, but just need to get to it. Its not in a heated area, but I would like to have it closed up for the winter. Then there is the door way in that wall.
The door opening that is already there is about 4 feet wide and the lintel is just nailed in from the sides (its not sitting on any jack posts) so I am going to have to frame it down to the standard 32" door I have, and I will replace the lintel with one that is properly supported.
There have been many WTF moments construction wise with this building but it is getting better all the time. We had a wicked windstorm last night (remnants of Hurricane Patricia) that brought down a lot of branches. The building was fine, and this is is loads better than when I bought the place and any strong winds made the place shake. I guess a few thousand screws, sheathing all the interior walls, and actually screwing down all the siding and roofing properly makes a big difference. It was pretty solid and except for the tree branches coming down (on my nice new roof) it was pretty quiet and no shaking
I haven't been around much due to work, and working on the Mill. I ended up re-siding one wall, replacing an exterior door, removing a bunch of rotten OSB under some other siding and replacing that, doing even more flashing, and more insulating of the main floor.
I am almost ready to have the inspector come out for the electrical work. I need to replace a few breakers with Arc Fault ones and run one wire to the ceiling light and I am ready. Everything is done with AC90 12-12 which is overkill, but I figure in a place like this, overkill is a good thing.
The heat is working well, and I even got the gas fireplace working again (needed cleaning).
I even got to work in the shop. The old CH 5hp air compressor got rebuilt, the compressor wired with 10-2 and its own shutoff box next to the compressor. I also ran a temporary air line to my regulator and water seperator. I even quickly rigged up a bracket for the pair of them. Everything is tested and now I have compressed air. The compressor has not worked this good in years.
Next up is the hoist. I have the instructions and have measured the floor thickness and am good there. I think I am going to set it up myself as the instructions are pretty straight forward. 20 3/4" concreate anchors and a 30 amp circuit are needed. The pump is rated to draw 19 amps @ 240v, so I figure I might as well go to the 30amp circuit, and I have plenty of 10-2 left. Just more stuff for the inspector to inspect.
I am almost ready to have the inspector come out for the electrical work. I need to replace a few breakers with Arc Fault ones and run one wire to the ceiling light and I am ready. Everything is done with AC90 12-12 which is overkill, but I figure in a place like this, overkill is a good thing.
The heat is working well, and I even got the gas fireplace working again (needed cleaning).
I even got to work in the shop. The old CH 5hp air compressor got rebuilt, the compressor wired with 10-2 and its own shutoff box next to the compressor. I also ran a temporary air line to my regulator and water seperator. I even quickly rigged up a bracket for the pair of them. Everything is tested and now I have compressed air. The compressor has not worked this good in years.
Next up is the hoist. I have the instructions and have measured the floor thickness and am good there. I think I am going to set it up myself as the instructions are pretty straight forward. 20 3/4" concreate anchors and a 30 amp circuit are needed. The pump is rated to draw 19 amps @ 240v, so I figure I might as well go to the 30amp circuit, and I have plenty of 10-2 left. Just more stuff for the inspector to inspect.
Bib Overalls
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You never regret bumping your wire up a gauge or two. The ones that run to motors and resistant heating strips.
rixtrix1
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Good job! I wish I could find the valves to fix my 1994 CH compressor.
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Is it the 6004 pump? They used that pump on everything up to 5hp - single piston, cast iron cylinder, aluminum head and crankcase.
You can get most service parts for CH compressors through Sears still. I got the rebuild kit for mine through them by using their online parts lookup. You will need the model number of your compressor.
You can get most service parts for CH compressors through Sears still. I got the rebuild kit for mine through them by using their online parts lookup. You will need the model number of your compressor.
rixtrix1
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No, it's a twin cylinder, 6HP, 60 gal. Professional Series vertical compressor, model number VT616300AJ, pump number VT232605KB. It looks like new as it's always been in the storeroom off my garage. Built in 1994.
I tried the CH parts website and didn't find a direct listing. There is a cover plate over the output reed valves. Removing the plate on head exposed the broken exhaust reeds. Odd thing, there were two steel tabs laying loose on top of the reeds. Don't know why they are there, but they couldn't have gotten in there from anywhere else. Thanks for the tip to the Sears parts website, I hadn't thought of looking there. I suppose I should put this on the Tools Forum.
I tried the CH parts website and didn't find a direct listing. There is a cover plate over the output reed valves. Removing the plate on head exposed the broken exhaust reeds. Odd thing, there were two steel tabs laying loose on top of the reeds. Don't know why they are there, but they couldn't have gotten in there from anywhere else. Thanks for the tip to the Sears parts website, I hadn't thought of looking there. I suppose I should put this on the Tools Forum.
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Your pump is the VT232605.
You should be able to find the parts you need here:
http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/air-compressor-pump-parts-vt232605-p-32875.html
You should be able to find the parts you need here:
http://www.mastertoolrepair.com/air-compressor-pump-parts-vt232605-p-32875.html
Techie1961
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Hey Rick, good to hear that your shop is heated and coming along. The cold is here now and we also just managed to get a new gas furnace into our home in time for Christmas and these cold temps.
I'm anxious to see photos of how the place is coming along. You're quite close to where I am. It's nice to see a local guy on here.
I'm anxious to see photos of how the place is coming along. You're quite close to where I am. It's nice to see a local guy on here.
I might go an take pics tomorrow. One thing that I do not like about where I am is that the internet connectivity is horrible, but I have requested an upgrade to their faster service.
I am not good at taking pics when i am working on stuff. And my truck just blew a brake line and is in the shop thawing out so I can figure out what needs to be replaced.
I am not good at taking pics when i am working on stuff. And my truck just blew a brake line and is in the shop thawing out so I can figure out what needs to be replaced.
Yeah, I know. still no pics. I will try to get some tonight. I did fix the one blown brake line on the truck for now since I need it to get to work, and ordered a kit in stainless for the rest of the lines since one or two others don't look great.
I need to make it to Brofasco and pick up the concrete anchors for the hoist. $7 each x 20 is not cheap! I also need to make it to the Metal Supermarket to get some tube and angle iron for a couple of projects.
I need to make it to Brofasco and pick up the concrete anchors for the hoist. $7 each x 20 is not cheap! I also need to make it to the Metal Supermarket to get some tube and angle iron for a couple of projects.
xtremek
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I read somewhere that CopperNickel brake lines are better for longevity in the rust/snow belt areas. And I thought I heard it bends/flares better. At least that's what I thought I heard.
The Cunifer orCupranil brake lines (both are the copper/nickel ones) are great! When I am having to bend lines its what I use. They seem to have good corrosion reisitance also. We are using them on my friends plow trucks and they seem to last.
I got the stainless for my truck because the kit of prebent lines because there are braided flex lines built into the lines. and that would be impossible to replicate bending the lines myself.
I got the stainless for my truck because the kit of prebent lines because there are braided flex lines built into the lines. and that would be impossible to replicate bending the lines myself.
getyoungk
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Rick, looking forward to seeing your shop, though it certainly takes awhile to get things done, you have an unreal structure to work with!
Late, but as promsed - pics!
The stomp shear and my small sheetmetal brake.
Another pic around the sheetmetal bench. I made it a full 4x8' so I can just put the sheets and sheetmetal right on top of it. It also has ended up as a temp parts storage for the bikes. I still need to get a shrinker/stretcher, and tube bender for the shop.
I rebuilt the compressor head, and wired it all up. Its now working and my shop has air! I want to run hard air lines around the shop but haven't had time yet, so I took 5 minutes and made a quick bracket to mount a water separator and regulator to the sheetmetal bench since it is in pretty central in the shop. I also made the bench high enough to align with the deck of the shear, and the bender.
Because the bench is taller than usual, engines fit under with pretty easily on my little homemade stands. You can just make out a couple of big block mopars hiding under there.
The compressor. I think its working better now than it has ever in the past. it is even suprisingly quiet with the new air cleaner assembly. I want to see if I can find a K&N filter for it so I never have to replace it. There is a shutoff box on the wall next to the compressor, and a stranded cable going from the shutoff box to the compressor to deal with the vibration. The conductors in the stranded cable are significantly larger than the 10-2 feeding it so I think it will be ok.
I finally got around to mounting one of my vises. Its a 5" Record clone called a Marden, if I remember correctly. It was made in Canada and need a little restoration, but works well. I picked it up at the Lindsey swap meet last year for $40.
And an obligatory pic of a bike on the bike bench. This is an entirely different bike than the last one pictured, even though I did reuse the rims, bars, and tank. The last one didn't have an ownership so I picked this nearly identical bike up and am using the other one for parts. This one is a 1982 Yamaha XS400 heritage Special. The last one was an 81'.
The stomp shear and my small sheetmetal brake.
Another pic around the sheetmetal bench. I made it a full 4x8' so I can just put the sheets and sheetmetal right on top of it. It also has ended up as a temp parts storage for the bikes. I still need to get a shrinker/stretcher, and tube bender for the shop.
I rebuilt the compressor head, and wired it all up. Its now working and my shop has air! I want to run hard air lines around the shop but haven't had time yet, so I took 5 minutes and made a quick bracket to mount a water separator and regulator to the sheetmetal bench since it is in pretty central in the shop. I also made the bench high enough to align with the deck of the shear, and the bender.
Because the bench is taller than usual, engines fit under with pretty easily on my little homemade stands. You can just make out a couple of big block mopars hiding under there.
The compressor. I think its working better now than it has ever in the past. it is even suprisingly quiet with the new air cleaner assembly. I want to see if I can find a K&N filter for it so I never have to replace it. There is a shutoff box on the wall next to the compressor, and a stranded cable going from the shutoff box to the compressor to deal with the vibration. The conductors in the stranded cable are significantly larger than the 10-2 feeding it so I think it will be ok.
I finally got around to mounting one of my vises. Its a 5" Record clone called a Marden, if I remember correctly. It was made in Canada and need a little restoration, but works well. I picked it up at the Lindsey swap meet last year for $40.
And an obligatory pic of a bike on the bike bench. This is an entirely different bike than the last one pictured, even though I did reuse the rims, bars, and tank. The last one didn't have an ownership so I picked this nearly identical bike up and am using the other one for parts. This one is a 1982 Yamaha XS400 heritage Special. The last one was an 81'.
xtremek
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Stomp shears and a brake, I'm totally jealous. Looking good so far.