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The shear blades arrived today, right on time! They did a heck of a job with the sharpening too. Total cost? $82.

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Here they are installed in the shear:

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Once installed, I adjusted the blade clearance to .002" across the entire width of the machine. The measurement must be taken exactly where the shear blades meet, as both blades have about .03" of back taper. Much to my surprise, the shear blades did not need any shimming. .002" is a good clearance for average work on a machine of this class.

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Here's the first test, a piece of .040" 3003 aluminum:

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The result was a perfectly straight and crisp cut with no burr:

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This rebuild is done!

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Once installed, I adjusted the blade clearance to .002" across the entire width of the machine

Well if all you're going to cut is thin aluminum, sure. Put some 16 Ga. stainless in there and see how it cuts. You'll wish you had a hold down but that's another story.

Shear blades should be set tight in the middle of the span to compensate for bridge deflection. But you're just a light weigth aluminum type guy so you're all set with parallel clearances.
 
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Holy **** that's amazing! :eek2:

Awesome work!

Thanks Moose! :beer:

Blaze_125 said:
That is awesome

I need to make one for the DoAll next!

Diesel_Crawler said:
Very nicely done, Now what's next? No idea well you better get back in the old factory's and dig more

Thanks!

Well, I'm about done ripping wood for the parquet floor. As soon as that's done, I'll have a little extra space for a certain Series II Bridgeport. Barring another random find, that will be my next project.

Highball said:
Id like to have one of those shears, so ive been looking around. What do you think about this one?

http://columbiamo.craigslist.org/tls/1848289382.html

Again... Nice job from top to bottom on yours. Is there anything inparticular to look for on these. Weak areas?

Thank you for the compliments, Highball!

The shear you're looking at is very similar to mine and probably produced slightly later. I'd say 1930's if I were to guess. They changed the pedal style to a fabricated assembly by the 40's I think. In any case, the year of manufacture is the serial number and the complete date is stamped on the right front of the table surface. The machine appears complete, including the back gauge.

I'd begin with an overall inspection of the machine looking for damaged parts and cracks.

If OK, inspect the shear ram and blades. These shears are rated for about 18 gauge mild steel or roughly 20-22 gauge for stainless and .063" for aluminum. Cutting materials outside this range will tend to spring the shear ram. Some spring can be shimmed out, but excessive spring cannot.

The blades can generally be cleaned up unless they have severe gouges as might occur by trying to cut hard solid rod.

If no cracks or irreparable damage is noted, it should be a prime rebuild candidate. Should you purchase it let me know, I'll send you the info on the sharpening service I use.

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Very nice! I always enjoy your write ups!

Thanks Neal! Glad to hear you enjoy them!
 
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Man that looks scary, but also looks like fun! Good job on the rebuild.

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Ya gotta remember this is a precision manual machine, not some powered finger shearing monster, working with care will be fine.

That's pretty sweet machine, just the thing for precision metalwork. I have to say I'd wanna dig around in that place a bit more too... just to see.
 

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Well if all you're going to cut is thin aluminum, sure. Put some 16 Ga. stainless in there and see how it cuts. You'll wish you had a hold down but that's another story.

Shear blades should be set tight in the middle of the span to compensate for bridge deflection. But you're just a light weigth aluminum type guy so you're all set with parallel clearances.

I've tried to stay out of this debate, as there is no way either side is going to convince the other, and nothing to be gained. But now I cannot help it. I feel I must respond to this latest entry in the debate.

As I said before, I was a journeyman sheet metal worker in the AFL-CIO, specializing in layout/fabrication/welding, and etc. I worked with many different kinds of sheet metal shears all day every single day, and even if I do say so myself, I was pretty good at my job.

In our region we called this type of shear a "stomp shear", and we used them constantly. These were indispensible shop tools, used daily for cutting light gage mild steel. They were simply much faster and easier to use for smaller, lighter cuts than bigger shears. This type of shear has no need whatsoever for a hold-down foot in front of the blade. It’s not designed for that kind of work, and should not be used for heavier-gage applications.

However, the other point some folks made that it is easier to see your cut line without a hold-down is really kind of a moot point for most professional sheet metal techs. In low-light or difficult-to-see conditions, we just made two light cuts with our aviation snips right on our cut line, slightly bending down the scrap-side of the cuts, then slipped the metal over the cutting edge of the bottom blade, pulling the metal tightly back towards ourselves, and made our cut--- exactly on our line (whether cutting with a foot-powered or power shear. Visibility is not usually a problem.)

The capacity for this shear was stated on the first page of the OP's string, in reply to a question:
"I would love to have a shear like that some day, what gage is that good for?"
"Capacity is 32" by 18 gauge in mild steel."

So, now we all know that the capacity for this machine is 18 gage mild steel, by 32”. In the shops I worked in, if anyone were seen approaching a 32” stomp shear with any piece of stainless steel, he would be in deep sh#t with the shop foreman (and the other journeymen, who did not want our equipment to be abused. We had to WORK with those machines, and we wanted them to stay in top working order). And, if someone were to try and cut a piece of 16 gage stainless steel on an 18-gage-capacity stomp shear…he would be discharged immediately, and ostracized by the other techs. That’s unacceptable and just NOT DONE in a sheet metal shop. It’s like someone cutting wire with your aviation tin snips.

Come to think of it, it’s more like an automotive technician using two or three adaptors to enable him to drive a ¼” drive chrome socket with a ½” drive impact wrench. But just because you won't like the results using a 1/4" drive socket with a 1/2" drive impact wrench, does not mean that a 1/4" drive socket is a useless or bad tool...it's just supposed to be used on small, light-duty jobs, within its capacity.

Simply stated, you just do not try to exceed the capacity of a shear!

A trained sheet metal technician knows that the wider your cut, the lighter your gage of metal must be to remain within capacity. So a 32” cut of 18 gage mild steel is sort of pushing it on this shear. And it is true that if you try to cut too long of a piece of steel which is at or near the capacity of a shear, it may try to “walk” during the movement of the cutting blade. (This is the time when you need mechanical or hydraulic hold-down feet to grip your piece of steel during the cut.) When this happens you end up with a crooked cut. But, with newly-sharpened blades (and proper adjustment) you can make good clean cuts at full capacity. But no trained professional sheet metal tech would approach an 18 gage capacity stomp shear with a whole stack of 32" wide pieces of 18 gage steel planning to make dozens of cuts. Rather he would go instead to a power shear. (Shouldn't we all try to avoid pushing the limit of any industrial machine's capacity?) But if you’ve got something well below the capacity of a 32” stomp shear, IE: like a 14” piece of 20 gage you want to cut, you simply cannot beat this little stomp shear for simplicity and speed of use.

In the shop I worked in for the greatest number of years, we had several shears, including big Cincinnati power shears with 10 gage by 10 foot capacity, and little stomp shears, and several others in between. And I’ll bet you that we used the little stomp shears just about as often as we did the big ones. Why? Because these little stomp shears are great tools, if you use them as intended.

Elroy is clearly a sharp guy. I have often admired his posts on how-to-do mechanical things, many of which I cannot do myself. For example, I freely admit that I have never adjusted the blades on any shear (the tin shops wouldn't allow us journeymen to even try. They used specialists for that work. It is very critical, and must be done exactly right or your blades get dull much too quickly, and/or you start leaving razor-sharp hanging edges on your cuts). But I cannot agree that this little shear is anything less than a terrific tool.

For myself, having used lots of different kinds of sheet metal tools and shears. I liked the little stomp shears well enough that I bought a Niagara model very similar to the one in this post, and have it sitting in my shop right now.
 
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Awesome work as usual A_PMech!

I used a shear almost exactly like that quite a bit in college, but it did have an adjustable back stopper. Such a handy piece of equipment, but it definitely did not have an easy life. Several parts on it had to be brazed, including the foot pad from someone stomping a little too hard on it trying to cheat the machines capacity.

In the picture where you are cutting the aluminum, it appears that you are cutting on the left hand side of the machine. Is there any theory to which side of the blade to cut on with a small work piece? I always noticed the machine I used cut small work better on the right side than the left, but that may have just been due to wear/damage on the blade.
 
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Awesome work as usual A_PMech!

In the picture where you are cutting the aluminum, it appears that you are cutting on the left hand side of the machine. Is there any theory to which side of the blade to cut on with a small work piece? I always noticed the machine I used cut small work better on the right side than the left, but that may have just been due to wear/damage on the blade.

I think AP Mech was putting his newly-rebuilt shear and resharpened blade to the ultimate test. Normally it is much easier to cut at the right side, because the blade is angled so that the right side hits the work piece first, and slices from right to left. Putting a thin piece of metal at the left end and bringing the blade down slowly would be the most likely condition for the work piece to move during the cut stroke, or to leave a "meat-hook" sharp hanging edge.

Nice work, AP Mech.
 

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In the picture where you are cutting the aluminum, it appears that you are cutting on the left hand side of the machine. Is there any theory to which side of the blade to cut on with a small work piece? I always noticed the machine I used cut small work better on the right side than the left, but that may have just been due to wear/damage on the blade.

For squaring up I've always used the left hand guide so the cutting action pushes the sheet against the guide. Chances are the shear you were using had worn, or incorrectly adjusted, blades.
 

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I think AP Mech was putting his newly-rebuilt shear and resharpened blade to the ultimate test. Normally it is much easier to cut at the right side, because the blade is angled so that the right side hits the work piece first, and slices from right to left. Putting a thin piece of metal at the left end and bringing the blade down slowly would be the most likely condition for the work piece to move during the cut stroke, or to leave a "meat-hook" sharp hanging edge.

Nice work, AP Mech.

Actually, the angle of the blade does not change as it comes down....it's the same at the right as it is at the left....

Most people (including me) tend to use the left stop because the angle can sometimes push the material to the left....especially if you go too slow....

As the blade dulls on that side....you start using the right side....

Lump....nice trick using the snips to make a small cut....never thought of that.

I still prefer this type for small light work....the clamp just reduces the width of material you can cut....and I know enough to keep my fingers out of the way....not to mention the fact that I have come a lot closer to smashing my finger with the clamp than I have cutting off the tip.
 

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We get it - you don't like AP. He knows what he's doing, he's doing this his way (F**k's sake, it's his machine anyway) and getting it how he wants it. So just leave him be and stay out of his threads. All you do in his threads is post negative comments and criticize his work, do us all a favour and stay out of them. You have nothing positive to add so don't add anything.
 
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Said by ddawg16;998515: Actually, the angle of the blade does not change as it comes down....it's the same at the right as it is at the left....

Agreed, I did not suggest that the angle changes. Only that the angle of the blade being such that it is, there is less travel of the ram before the blade reaches your work piece when you are working on the right side.

Most people (including me) tend to use the left stop because the angle can sometimes push the material to the left....especially if you go too slow....
Interesting. In my years as a sheet metal worker, first as an apprentice and later as a journeyman, I don't think I ever saw anyone cut items on the left side. This may have been due to the fact that our squaring bars were on the right side. Not sure. But I am sure that we didn't like that blade traveling the longest distance before it struck our work piece. But, to each his own. :thumbup:

As the blade dulls on that side....you start using the right side....
In my experience, you can cut a LOT of metal before the blade on a stomp shear starts getting dull...unless some jerk is cutting stuff they shouldn't be. And you sure wouldn't want to get caught doing that in one of the shops I worked in. Even the other workers would explode on you for that stuff.

Lump....nice trick using the snips to make a small cut....never thought of that.
Thanks. We especially used this for odd-shaped parts, where we could not line up the right edge along our squaring bar, or whenever we wanted the cut to be very precise.

I still prefer this type for small light work....
Me too...by far!

the clamp just reduces the width of material you can cut....and I know enough to keep my fingers out of the way....not to mention the fact that I have come a lot closer to smashing my finger with the clamp than I have cutting off the tip.
I have known only a few people that got injured in shears, and all of the victims which I knew personally were injured by the hold-down feet, not the blade. But I have seen many tape measures sliced off, when people forgot to pull them out before hitting the pedal. :bounce:
 

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We get it - you don't like AP. He knows what he's doing, he's doing this his way (F**k's sake, it's his machine anyway) and getting it how he wants it. So just leave him be and stay out of his threads. All you do in his threads is post negative comments and criticize his work, do us all a favour and stay out of them. You have nothing positive to add so don't add anything.

I give this post a :thumbup: :thumbup:
 

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It's abundantly clear that Elroy has a serious case of Tool Envy where PMech is concerned.

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Once installed, I adjusted the blade clearance to .002" across the entire width of the machine. The measurement must be taken exactly where the shear blades meet, as both blades have about .03" of back taper. Much to my surprise, the shear blades did not need any shimming. .002" is a good clearance for average work on a machine of this class.

This rebuild is done!

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Outstanding!
Mine cuts very well, but I think I'm going to send the blades out next year to have them sharpened.

I learned a ton about my own machine through this thread--thank you VERY much!

One thing about shimming the blade I've learned: it must be done once the machine is in it's final location. If the floor is anything but perfectly flat, the machine will settle. I got lucky and when I set my machine on my shop floor, it cut perfectly and the shimming was spot-on. I moved it, and the first time I stomped, the blades hit at the far right side. Luckily, I don't stomp it really hard, so it didn't gauge the blade.

I have mine set up so I work off the left side of the table: it just seems to me like there's a little bit better mechanical advantage with the mass of the blade already half way through its cut when it hits the sheetmetal, but that could just be me. Also, as was said, it pushes the piece tighter against the side gauge, keeping the piece from wandering during the cut. That I am certain of: I get much more accurate cuts when working on the left side than the right.

-Brad
edit: the name plate on mine says Peck Stow & Wilcox, Model No. 179, 31-inch.
Nothing to indicate max capacity, and I don't find the date stamped in the table, either.
 
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Hey PMech... what do you figure that machine weighs?
I'm guessing it's will over 400 pounds, because two grown men on it can only raise it off the floor about an inch or two--just high enough to move it.

-Brad
 
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Man that looks scary, but also looks like fun! Good job on the rebuild.

Thanks BMW!

It won't hesitate to take your fingers off if you let it, but it's really no different than a table saw in that regard.

I was told that most people lose their fingers on these types of shears by losing their footing, slipping, and sliding their hand between the blades as they stomp. Obviously, it's a good idea to develop a technique that limits the possibility of losing your footing and balance.

78bird said:
That's pretty sweet machine, just the thing for precision metalwork. I have to say I'd wanna dig around in that place a bit more too... just to see.

It definitely is, I'm going to enjoy using it!

I dug around there pretty thoroughly, but I have a few other places to check yet. :bounce:

tschmitt said:
Haha nice find man and great write up very informative.

Thanks! You'll have to come down and see it sometime. :)

Lump said:
However, the other point some folks made that it is easier to see your cut line without a hold-down is really kind of a moot point for most professional sheet metal techs. In low-light or difficult-to-see conditions, we just made two light cuts with our aviation snips right on our cut line, slightly bending down the scrap-side of the cuts, then slipped the metal over the cutting edge of the bottom blade, pulling the metal tightly back towards ourselves, and made our cut--- exactly on our line (whether cutting with a foot-powered or power shear. Visibility is not usually a problem.)

Thanks for your post, Lump. :beer:

Interesting you should mention that snip technique, Lump. My dad says grandfather used that "trick" in his sheet metal shop. Thanks for mentioning it!

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Awesome work as usual A_PMech!

I used a shear almost exactly like that quite a bit in college, but it did have an adjustable back stopper. Such a handy piece of equipment, but it definitely did not have an easy life. Several parts on it had to be brazed, including the foot pad from someone stomping a little too hard on it trying to cheat the machines capacity.

In the picture where you are cutting the aluminum, it appears that you are cutting on the left hand side of the machine. Is there any theory to which side of the blade to cut on with a small work piece? I always noticed the machine I used cut small work better on the right side than the left, but that may have just been due to wear/damage on the blade.

Thank you, MBeaty!

I use the left hand side of the machine out of habit. The shears in the aircraft shop I apprenticed at had squaring gages on both the left and right side of the machine. I took to operating from the left side when possible because it gave me better leverage as the pedal was most of the way to the floor by the time the blade engaged the work.

A machine that cuts better on one side than the other would tend to indicate dull blades or a blade clearance too wide for the work. :thumbup:

Brad54 said:
Outstanding!
Mine cuts very well, but I think I'm going to send the blades out next year to have them sharpened.

I learned a ton about my own machine through this thread--thank you VERY much!

One thing about shimming the blade I've learned: it must be done once the machine is in it's final location.

-Brad
edit: the name plate on mine says Peck Stow & Wilcox, Model No. 179, 31-inch.
Nothing to indicate max capacity, and I don't find the date stamped in the table, either.

Hi Brad,

Thanks!

Glad to hear this post was useful to you. I've learned some good stuff from it too. :)

Yeah, these machines can move around a little when they're moved into position, which can alter the clearances. I'll re-check and adjust mine again once it's in position.

Interesting on the dataplate... I'm not sure what to offer there. Maybe a call to Pexto could prove enlightening?

Mjozefow said:
Looks great bud. The machine is first class. Sheet stock will be a breeze in the shop now!

Thanks Mitch! It sure is an improvement over messing around with offset tin snips!

Brad54 said:
Hey PMech... what do you figure that machine weighs?
I'm guessing it's will over 400 pounds, because two grown men on it can only raise it off the floor about an inch or two--just high enough to move it.

Good question! I'm going to guess 400-500lbs.




Thanks everyone for your positive comments, they're most appreciated!

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Wow! As usual a Very positive Thumbs up!

My Grandfather was a Letterpress Printer since he was 15 years old. He passed away at the age of 88 and his son (my Uncle) is still running and using his machines. I used to spend hours watching and helping him when I was a small child.

You do very fine work John. Don't let a few jealous people get you down.

I will try to find some pics of his old shop. Two Printing Presses, Linotype machine, Paper Shear and a BUNCH of other ones. We even Printed my Business Cards that are thin 2-Ply Wood on his machines before he passed away. Very cool.
 
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Wow! As usual a Very positive Thumbs up!

My Grandfather was a Letterpress Printer since he was 15 years old. He passed away at the age of 88 and his son (my Uncle) is still running and using his machines. I used to spend hours watching and helping him when I was a small child.

You do very fine work John. Don't let a few jealous people get you down.

I will try to find some pics of his old shop. Two Printing Presses, Linotype machine, Paper Shear and a BUNCH of other ones. We even Printed my Business Cards that are thin 2-Ply Wood on his machines before he passed away. Very cool.

Thanks, Rockchucker!

That's very cool, especially keeping the old machinery in the family! That would be great if you could find some photos of his shop, I'd enjoy looking at them.

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I made a few more data plates today and I used the shear to finish them. I took a few photos along the way to illustrate one of the many jobs these small shears excel at.

Here's one of the etched data plates ready to be cut out:

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Lining up the outside of the plate by looking downthe upper blade. There's no hold-down to block the view, smash your fingers, or cast a shadow:

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The result!

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The shear leaves a much cleaner and straighter cut than snips ever could and it's MUCH faster. I fooled with my camera for longer than it took to cut the plate out.
 

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Nice. I went in my other shop the other day, just to look at my old Niagara stomp shear. It's still sitting there waiting for me. Do you happen to know where to look for any date stamp or other data on a Niagara, by chance?
 
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Nice. I went in my other shop the other day, just to look at my old Niagara stomp shear. It's still sitting there waiting for me. Do you happen to know where to look for any date stamp or other data on a Niagara, by chance?

Not sure on them. Brad has a Pexto similar to mine, but a 37" model. He couldn't find a date on his. Mine is stamped on the front right corner of the table.

Amitygravel said:
Those are just too cool. A_ , are you etching those yourself? If you are, now explain THAT process to us please.

Hi Amity,

Yes, everything is done by me.

You can read about the basics of the process here:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=803933&postcount=389
 
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Another little interesting factoid. You might recall the machinery dealer's tag which was riveted onto the machine with drive screws:

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Here's a page from the company's catalog back around 1940:

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And here's what it looks like today, courtesy of Google Maps:

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Kind of surprised the buildings still there. Just think of all the cool equiment that could have been found in its ' catch all ' room back in its heyday. Also wonder what percentage of it all ended up in the scrap yard.


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Wow...i could care less about sheet metal work...until now! What an awsome thread and awsome build and how cool is that pic of the original building! You are my kinda guy!
 

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Just picked one of these shears up
Peck Stow Wilcox 130A / 1907 - So slightly smaller than this one
Is there a manual i can access ?
Someone completely adjusted it so the blade wouldn't drop at all and it sat for years
Greased it up, and its cutting some paper ( on the sides ), but wont cut 18g sheet metal
I need to reset it or some **** like that

Thx in advance
 
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