Strouty
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So where did they come from and why did she bring them home?
My Organization Thread
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d.mcfarland
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Seems like everything is working against the organizing part of this endeavor.
She bought them at Sears outlet and she has a dream of youthful kayaking in northern MI. Gonna be hard for a 74yo who can barely get into her Astro Van and has to go down stairs one at a time.
It hasn't stopped my organization, but has really cut into the open space...
She's a woman. I have no control over that species.....
Bill
Bill
You are suggesting your wife bought kayaks she physically can't use. Impractical, waste of money, pointless to keep, etc etc etc.
Many have suggested a lot of the things you needed to move out of your garage are exactly the same as what I describe above. You did good moving them out of this space but they aren't any closer to sold.
I've retyped this several times to try to make it as nice as possible. I know I'm an *******.
You are suggesting your wife bought kayaks she physically can't use. Impractical, waste of money, pointless to keep, etc etc etc.
Many have suggested a lot of the things you needed to move out of your garage are exactly the same as what I describe above. You did good moving them out of this space but they aren't any closer to sold.
I've retyped this several times to try to make it as nice as possible. I know I'm an *******.
ScottsGT
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Post those kayaks on CL and flip them for a profit. Your wife sounds like my mom with her kitchen gadgets but she can't stand at a counter top any longer than it takes to microwave a biscuit. When I was cleaning out her house I found new garden shovels along with a garage full of them because she also had the youthful idea of getting out in the yard and planting flowers. I guess the more shovels she had, the younger in made her feel.
I brought her over to my house to put a half dozen plants in pots on the screen porch. That alone took her about 4 hours, and she only did two.
At least you and the wife share the addiction. You should nurture that desire into flipping and making money.
I've got to ask, do you have children? Grown children that is.
I brought her over to my house to put a half dozen plants in pots on the screen porch. That alone took her about 4 hours, and she only did two.
At least you and the wife share the addiction. You should nurture that desire into flipping and making money.
I've got to ask, do you have children? Grown children that is.
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4 grown of hers, that I claim now too.
Let me make it clear. She's 74. Not in great condition. Not interested in changing. She wants to live for today. I see no reason she shouldn't.
At first I resisted her with my practical line of reasoning. But now I support her. Who cares really?
So no, no, no, I won't sell anything she or I have just recently bought, especially before we get a chance to use it. That seems the height of folly.
Everyone has ways of being in the world, and just because your way fits you, doesn't mean it's right for everyone. That's what I've learned.
I mean, some people live wonderful lives without ever owning any tools...
Bill
ScottsGT
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Dad did the same for mom before he passed. Spending money just to have a new shiny object to open is a joy in life for her. I really try to encourage her to blow money on pampering herself with hair and nail appointments rather than trinkets she really cannot use. I keep reminding her it's not the cost of the item, but the storage unit costs too. Moms well off (not rich, but enough to live off of) and I don't care if she spends every damned dime she has before she goes. I just keep telling her to not leave me with a dozen gazing balls and 48 bird houses and 4 food processors I have to toss away after she's gone.
She's gone through the "prepper" stage and some Boy Scout troop or homeless shelter will be well stocked when time comes.
Anyone need 800 servings of powdered milk??
She's gone through the "prepper" stage and some Boy Scout troop or homeless shelter will be well stocked when time comes.
Anyone need 800 servings of powdered milk??
glentre
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This is a very interesting thread in that it points out the varied instincts we all have regarding saving things, needed or not. I think most of us are hoarders to some degree or another. Most keep it under control but others have a great deal of difficulty fighting the instinct to continually save things we shouldn't and buy more stuff even when there is no use for it and no place to put it. We should commend Bill for recognizing he has a problem and help him if we can. On the other hand, his comments so far indicate that, in the end, nothing of consequence will be disposed of and he will somehow make room for it all and look forward to adding even more things once he rearranges what he has to create more space where he can put more stuff. In my opinion, this seems to be his objective. Maybe the forum guys can help him along to the extent his garage becomes somewhat useable for awhile but I doubt any of us can break him out of his more deeply rooted problem which will shortly result in a garage just as it was before all his work in trying to get it organized.
Glen
Glen
Strouty
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Bill, I am not saying this to offend you in any way, I am trying to be objective. If you look at the economics of it, if Bill was a millionaire and built a 100 by 200 two story shop and filled it with pretty things, most people would be saying how awesome it is and would wish they had the same. To me that is no different, unless you are buying stuff to resell for profit, it is just stuff and the value of it is subjective. You can't take any of it with you, no matter what you think.
In Bill's situation, he is not a millionaire, but he tries to keep stuff, most likely for some sort of protection, like a wall of stuff to keep the outside from getting in. I know in my situation, I had injured my arms to the point of not being able to use my hands, but I kept buying things that needed to be fixed, like I was going to be able to fix them soon. By the time I realized what was really going on, it had been about four years and I had a ton of stuff. I coulnd't use my shop, it was a warehouse, I didn't remember where things were, I had to buy duplicates, basically things were a mess.
The crux of this situation is that the only one who can change things is Bill, he has to want to change more than the underlying feelings, so he can overcome them. Bill also has another obstacle and that is his wife has the same tendencies and from what I gather, she doesn't want to change them. Once Bill can get Julie on board, things will change rapidly, but it is obvious with the kayaks, that she is most likely trying to undermine his efforts and this is probably on a subconscious level. Bill, I wish you luck, I hope you can make it, you know what needs to be done, but you are not at rock bottom. Once you hit rock bottom, it may be too late, so I would suggest you start thinking long and hard about your limitations and maybe change priorities to be a bit more inline with them. I know I had to and we both know we have more work to do, lots more.
In Bill's situation, he is not a millionaire, but he tries to keep stuff, most likely for some sort of protection, like a wall of stuff to keep the outside from getting in. I know in my situation, I had injured my arms to the point of not being able to use my hands, but I kept buying things that needed to be fixed, like I was going to be able to fix them soon. By the time I realized what was really going on, it had been about four years and I had a ton of stuff. I coulnd't use my shop, it was a warehouse, I didn't remember where things were, I had to buy duplicates, basically things were a mess.
The crux of this situation is that the only one who can change things is Bill, he has to want to change more than the underlying feelings, so he can overcome them. Bill also has another obstacle and that is his wife has the same tendencies and from what I gather, she doesn't want to change them. Once Bill can get Julie on board, things will change rapidly, but it is obvious with the kayaks, that she is most likely trying to undermine his efforts and this is probably on a subconscious level. Bill, I wish you luck, I hope you can make it, you know what needs to be done, but you are not at rock bottom. Once you hit rock bottom, it may be too late, so I would suggest you start thinking long and hard about your limitations and maybe change priorities to be a bit more inline with them. I know I had to and we both know we have more work to do, lots more.
Well said. I feel sorry for him
Bill's not organizing or throwing away a THING. Just trying to self justify...
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It's funny.
I don't see much difference between what I'm doing, and what most on here do.
My budget is smaller, and my spaces smaller than most and I'm trying to do a lot with a little.
I've started late in life when other priorities try to interfere. But I'm determined.
I'm doing exactly what I have wanted for a long time, and planned for.
Today we picked up some HF tarps to cover the kayaks. I'm going to make storage cradles and move them out of the garage.
Got a delivery this morning, from Amazon. Outer tie rod ends and adjusters and control arm bushings. Will get drag link, idler arms and inner tie rod ends soon. Going to pick up some more tools at HF and do the rest of the front end next weekend.
You see, this is a working garage/shop. It has been for a while. But not completely. I'm making it more efficient and complete. This will involve moving some machines and functions elsewhere, repairing and rehabbing some, buying some more and organizing.
The goal is having as many tools as I might desire, to accomplish all the tasks I might like.
But like many here, half the fun is getting it ready.
I ask you though.....why must every tool be productive? What's wrong with having it just to have it?
So onward!
I still have my tool list, with wanted and needed items on it. I will continue to acquire them. Most all wanted items become needed items soon after I get them. It was surprising how many tools it took to do the drum brakes and front end work, so far.
Bill
I don't see much difference between what I'm doing, and what most on here do.
My budget is smaller, and my spaces smaller than most and I'm trying to do a lot with a little.
I've started late in life when other priorities try to interfere. But I'm determined.
I'm doing exactly what I have wanted for a long time, and planned for.
Today we picked up some HF tarps to cover the kayaks. I'm going to make storage cradles and move them out of the garage.
Got a delivery this morning, from Amazon. Outer tie rod ends and adjusters and control arm bushings. Will get drag link, idler arms and inner tie rod ends soon. Going to pick up some more tools at HF and do the rest of the front end next weekend.
You see, this is a working garage/shop. It has been for a while. But not completely. I'm making it more efficient and complete. This will involve moving some machines and functions elsewhere, repairing and rehabbing some, buying some more and organizing.
The goal is having as many tools as I might desire, to accomplish all the tasks I might like.
But like many here, half the fun is getting it ready.
I ask you though.....why must every tool be productive? What's wrong with having it just to have it?
So onward!
I still have my tool list, with wanted and needed items on it. I will continue to acquire them. Most all wanted items become needed items soon after I get them. It was surprising how many tools it took to do the drum brakes and front end work, so far.
Bill
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Forget them all Bill. Let the naysayers go and naysay elsewhere. Do not take it upon yourself to pass judgement. That is not your place, and if you feel the need to do it, bite your tongue please. Bill, keep up the good work.
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taumac
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I'll agree and disagree with you on this.
To me I really don't care if he spent $10,000 or $1,000,000 on his collection or he has 1 car garage or a big *** shop. A hoarder is a hoarder and a full to brim that unusable shop is just that just on a different scale.
If Bill spent 1/10th of the time he spent surfing the GJ on working on his place it would have been done years ago.
I have a friend who that every time go over to house you can't even walk through the garage. I have been over there few times to help out and both times took a big swing at it. He's great friend but I'll come help but damn it I'm not doing it all. Guy has all the time in the world. He's been home for years not doing anything but still to this day garage hasn't changed. You can take a horse to water but can't make him drink it even if put head under water.
I will agree that none of us is going to persuade him to get this done. He's going to have to get to that rock bottom place and finally deal with his hoarding issue. If he wants it that bad than he needs to shut up, quit talking about it and finally get it done. If he doesn't then when his wife or he's no longer here someone gonna deal with.
ScottsGT
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I see a big difference. 3 or 4 welders? How many vises? How many duplicate tools tools do you own?
I do see guys here collecting vises. I'll give you that one. But usually they are restoring them.
And your last post you are going to go purchase a front end tool set to work on your car. You know those are available for free rental at most auto parts stores? If you are always doing front end work or maintaining a fleet of cars, purchase. One job? Rent it and return it! Its about getting the job done and moving on.
I see you are getting the MIG. Are you now going to sell off some of the other welders??
Hey, I understand wanting new tools. I've just gotten into wood working. Instead of a high end table saw that I would have to drag out and set up, I'm looking into a track saw. Stores away in a compact space.
And if I do pull the trigger, I'm passing my old Skil saw on to my son. I won't sell it since my late father bought it for me as a house warming gift when we bought our first house. My son just bought his first house and I think I'll pass it on to him now. Well, if has a need for it.
I replaced my old 22 year old Bosch cordless drill with a Milwaukee M12. I'm passing that one down to my youngest son. He just keeps forgetting about it.
Really drooling over a Jointer/plainer and a plainer. But I keep asking myself, will I really be doing woodworking that requires these tools? Yea, they would be nice, but storage is an issue and I have to be realistic.
Your approach is very practical and focused on the results you need to get with them. That's great.
My desires include that, but go further. I want capabilities without consideration of just specific jobs at hand. In other words, I want to be able to do things, even though I don't know exactly what they will be yet.
I don't just get tools because I have an immediate job that requires them. I also get tools for future work that is as yet unspecified.
I like Parker and Wilton vises, so have multiples.
Welders? They each are for different uses. Same for drill presses. Same for band saws.
There are lots of reasons to have tools. I have multiple reasons. Your reasons are as valid for you, as mine are for me. Some people collect tools and never use them. Another good reason.
Bill
Strouty
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Bill, you need to stop rationalizing so much. What you need is space to work and less stuff to create headaches. I can easily say this because I have very similar issues and you know it. If you buy a mig welder, you don't need the other ones, just because you like a certain brand of vise doesn't mean you need to trip over them. I try and look at things that I sell more as trading for things I truly need. It is how I rationalize. You need to work on acquiring more floor space, that should be your ultimate goal right now. Moving everything outside is not the answer, when you cleaned up the yard you moved most things inside, so now you are going to move them outside again?
d.mcfarland
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Hoarder or pack rat? Be honest.
taumac
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Strouty I agree you know from my shop I went with the Lincoln 140 and small O/A. They're both small set ups that can be taken anywhere and take up a little space. He can go with a Lincoln 180 like he said in the other thread and a O/A setup and cover about anything he needs to take care of. I mean Hobart makes a set up Miller makes a set up but a small MIG and I set torches is about all you going to need for a shop. You don't need five welders in the shop when you're dealing with the space he is.
matt_i
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I think you did well by getting the mill head trammed. However the spindle brake is for resisting the torque of tightening the drawbar... 
This is a different vector but if the shop is filled with kayax, time to break out the heater "stuff" and get the shop ready for the winter. Granted, we all put it off till frost is forming on the tip of our nose, but now would be a good idea to "prep" for the upcoming winter.
Either that or go get the lathe ready. I can usually find 2+ lathe jobs for every 1 mill job.
This is a different vector but if the shop is filled with kayax, time to break out the heater "stuff" and get the shop ready for the winter. Granted, we all put it off till frost is forming on the tip of our nose, but now would be a good idea to "prep" for the upcoming winter.
Either that or go get the lathe ready. I can usually find 2+ lathe jobs for every 1 mill job.
I think you did well by getting the mill head trammed. However the spindle brake is for resisting the torque of tightening the drawbar...
This is a different vector but if the shop is filled with kayax, time to break out the heater "stuff" and get the shop ready for the winter. Granted, we all put it off till frost is forming on the tip of our nose, but now would be a good idea to "prep" for the upcoming winter.
Either that or go get the lathe ready. I can usually find 2+ lathe jobs for every 1 mill job.
Thank you!
I forgot about the spindle brake. Even forgot how to use it. I will probably be installing the heater in the dead of late winter, just in time for next spring.
The lathe? None of these machines are for paying jobs. God forbid! That's a good way to take the fun right out.
Bill
Bluedodge
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It would be hoarder if I couldn't get to anything to use it and had no intention of doing so. Just buying for the thrill of buying. There is some elements of that.
Pack rat? Yes, a bit. But many of the things are organized, available and being used. And more are by the day.
Truth be told, it a bit of a mix. Things are never black and white. Some things I have well in hand, some not.
The important thing is I'm involved, and working on it.
Bill
Buying things for which you have no immediate use nor space in which to install them in an organized way.....THAT is ridiculous.
You have 10 bench grinders
. I have 1 as that is all I can use at a time. 1 does the job and I have over 2600 sq ft of shop space at my disposal. If you can't part with nine of them then you're wasting your time.My $.02.
<sigh>
Buying things for which you have no immediate use nor space in which to install them in an organized way.....THAT is ridiculous.
You have 10 bench grinders
My $.02.
<sigh>
I also only use one, and just the wire wheel side. I just pulled 4 to the front of the garage to put in storage. They are bare, without anything but the base and shafts. The others are safe on an overhead shelf. The plan is to rig them with different stones, different wire wheels and different buffs.
The amount of space I have is relevant to a point. Many functions, especially storage and seldom used ones, can go other places than the work spaces.
Bill
jeffmoss26
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10 grinders and still no running water or heat...
Different stones, different wire wheels and different buffs.........
Um, ok, you have 10 grinders now. They make a lots of different stones, wheels and buffs. Soooo, how many grinders do you think you'll need so you never have to take 20 seconds to change to a different tool ? 100 ? 200 ?
Face it, every reply you give is to justify what you have already hoarded. If you had more space, you'd fill it with 100 grinders. If you had a million square feet of space, you'd fill it, and then proceed to justify every item in that space. And that is the problem.
Ok, I'll shut up now, I know when to give up
. Live your life where material things own you, and not vice versa.taumac
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WHAT? I heard about water deal awhile ago on another thread somewhere. He still no running water in the house? WTF?
jeffmoss26
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I am just going out on a limb and assuming he did not fix it.
EDIT http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5772969&postcount=887
EDIT http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5772969&postcount=887
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matt_i
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I didn't think you'd be scoping for toolmaker work throughout the neighborhood. Job = Project. If you have an arbor press you need a lathe to accompany it, very simply. Make disks and pins to push out this or that, press on inner or outer race depending on what you are doing.Along those lines if you have a welder you need a saw to complement it. Could be a 4x6" horizontal bandsaw; see also Metabo with 6" cutoff disk.
My other advice is to ditch every bench grinder except 1. Imo they are only good for sharpening tig tungstens and HSS toolbits for the lathe. A belt and/or disk sander is a light year ahead in terms of its versatility to the shop.
Personally I wouldn't buy dent pullers if you have Astro vans. Those went out of production in '02 or '03...why pull dents now?
Perrorojo
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This thread seems to be following a similar line as the first. This horse is beaten.
More front end parts arrived from Amazon this morning. Cost more than Rock Auto, but came quicker.
Still had space in the garage to install the Zerks and grease them all up. Just one more idler arm coming late in the week. Install is this weekend.
Steering will be all new Moog from the Pitman arm to the ball joints, including inner and outer tie rods, sway bar, sway bar links, ball joints and drag link. Have all the tools ready and available. Time to spray some penetrating oil on the bolts.
Got the seats for the kayaks. Need to install.
It is so nice having the needed tools, knowing where they all are (Because I religiously put them away after each job), and having access to them. PS, the kayaks are going out, so I get my shop back!
Bill
Still had space in the garage to install the Zerks and grease them all up. Just one more idler arm coming late in the week. Install is this weekend.
Steering will be all new Moog from the Pitman arm to the ball joints, including inner and outer tie rods, sway bar, sway bar links, ball joints and drag link. Have all the tools ready and available. Time to spray some penetrating oil on the bolts.
Got the seats for the kayaks. Need to install.
It is so nice having the needed tools, knowing where they all are (Because I religiously put them away after each job), and having access to them. PS, the kayaks are going out, so I get my shop back!
Bill
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Different stones, different wire wheels and different buffs.........
Um, ok, you have 10 grinders now. They make a lots of different stones, wheels and buffs. Soooo, how many grinders do you think you'll need so you never have to take 20 seconds to change to a different tool ? 100 ? 200 ?
Face it, every reply you give is to justify what you have already hoarded. If you had more space, you'd fill it with 100 grinders. If you had a million square feet of space, you'd fill it, and then proceed to justify every item in that space. And that is the problem.
Ok, I'll shut up now, I know when to give up
Beginning to think Bill is trolling us all
UN-subscribed..buh bye
