My Shop AKA the obsession

[W-Cummins]

Dam shame, having to turn it into a storage facility, but at least your saving on rent.

How long do you recon it might be need for storage. Working around, over, under stuff is a PITA I know how you must be feeling.

I thought so too, so I had to make some more space.... So I put in the rest of the slab. I compacted and placed the bar and vapor plastic, then I farmed out the placement of the 2k sq ft of hydrating mud. I made the bar into mats for the right side so the truck could back in to help out the workers spreading the cement......


William...

 

[Down Under Bloke]

Dam wish I could make space as easy as that..

With that much space you could just park the two trucks in there and save on the unloading..

 

[wrenchbender54]

William,
You might call this a shop, I'd call it a dream home. Looks great, keep up the good work.

 

[W-Cummins]

Dam wish I could make space as easy as that..

With that much space you could just park the two trucks in there and save on the unloading..

You would think that but Uhaul was getting mad at me for keeping their trucks for the 4 days I had them. Really lame if you ask me, as I of course was paying rent for them! The big wigs from the corp office even called me up to find out when I was going to return them! No wounder their in chapter 13

William,
You might call this a shop, I'd call it a dream home. Looks great, keep up the good work.

Thanks!

William...

 

[78fj40]

You would think that but Uhaul was getting mad at me for keeping their trucks for the 4 days I had them. Really lame if you ask me, as I of course was paying rent for them! The big wigs from the corp office even called me up to find out when I was going to return them! No wounder their in chapter 13



Thanks!

William...

One of the MANY reasons why I will NEVER rent from U haul again. My wife rented one in AZ (she was my girlfriend back then) to move from Holbrook to live with me in Glendale, I used to travel a bit, so I couldn't help with the move, but when I came home to help unload I discovered that they rented the truck to her with ZERO tread and wires hanging out of the passenger front tire. I told them we would not be driving the truck back to the dropoff agent, and they would have to come and get it.

How the hell they let it out of the door in the first place is still a mystery to me...

On another note, garage is coming along great. You should just install pallet racks and get a forklift to get to your belongings. I'm thinking that pallets of christmas decorations, winter clothes, camping gear, would benefit greatly from a simple effective storage system. Then get some bar code scanners and label everything and locations, and you would never lose anything ever again. You would have the best running warehouse....eh....house/garage in the world....

hehehe

 

[Hades12]

You would think that but Uhaul was getting mad at me for keeping their trucks for the 4 days I had them. Really lame if you ask me, as I of course was paying rent for them! The big wigs from the corp office even called me up to find out when I was going to return them! No wounder their in chapter 13



Thanks!

William...

they have your card so they can lump it.


Guess they want the millage and not the day rate.

 

[boiler7904]

they have your card so they can lump it.


Guess they want the millage and not the day rate.

U-Haul Mileage is a PITA. I rented a truck from them two weeks ago for 3 1/2 hours. Weekend rate was 19.95 a day + .99 a mile. My bill for a 14' truck (POS) was $80.76 + the fuel I had to put in it.

If you really want to get raped by U-Haul have them fill the gas tank. The service fee quoted to me was $35 plus $4 a gallon and tax. The guy at the service counter even said "we stick it to you pretty bad if you don't bring it back full."

 

[THX_138]

U-Haul..... LMAO...

The last dealings I had with U-Haul was picking up a "Tow-Dolly" I reserved over the phone 2 weeks in advance.

When I showed up the guy wanted ALL the info of the vehicle that was to be towing it.... so I gave him the info on my 2002 Ford F-250...

He then wanted to know "WHAT" I was putting on the tow-dolly... so I shrugged and figured what difference does this make, and told him what it was...(another 2001 Ford F-250 pick-up)... he then snatched all the paperwork back on his side of the counter and said I couldn't have the tow-dolly unless I came back with a bigger tow vehicle.!!!!!!

He then tells me I CAN'T use the same size vehicle to tow a like sized vehicle...it's against their policy.

I then asked what I would need to come back with...a dumptruck or a tow truck?... he then as matter of factly just spouted out with..."No sir, but an F-350 would do." I just shook my head is disbelief... and told him what to do with their tow-dolly.

 

[shopking68]

wow, this thread will go down in Journal history, everyone elses threads will just go down...

 

[bmwpower]

U-Haul..... LMAO...

The last dealings I had with U-Haul was picking up a "Tow-Dolly" I reserved over the phone 2 weeks in advance.

When I showed up the guy wanted ALL the info of the vehicle that was to be towing it.... so I gave him the info on my 2002 Ford F-250...

He then wanted to know "WHAT" I was putting on the tow-dolly... so I shrugged and figured what difference does this make, and told him what it was...(another 2001 Ford F-250 pick-up)... he then snatched all the paperwork back on his side of the counter and said I couldn't have the tow-dolly unless I came back with a bigger tow vehicle.!!!!!!

He then tells me I CAN'T use the same size vehicle to tow a like sized vehicle...it's against their policy.

I then asked what I would need to come back with...a dumptruck or a tow truck?... he then as matter of factly just spouted out with..."No sir, but an F-350 would do." I just shook my head is disbelief... and told him what to do with their tow-dolly.

Funny how everyone has had issues with U-haul...

You're lucky you even came close to renting a dolly. I've never been able to rent one...they're either completely disorganized or they're just idiots...or maybe both. Dollies and trailers just aren't available anywhere in my area.

I almost got ahold of one once, but they never came up with one on the day I needed it. Good thing I wasn't moving my entire apartment/car at the time. I would have been stuck. Then they tried to charge me for renting it! Bunch of a-holes.

.... ok, back to the thread.

 

[Hades12]

He then wanted to know "WHAT" I was putting on the tow-dolly... so I shrugged and figured what difference does this make, and told him what it was...(another 2001 Ford F-250 pick-up)... he then snatched all the paperwork back on his side of the counter and said I couldn't have the tow-dolly unless I came back with a bigger tow vehicle.!!!!!!

He then tells me I CAN'T use the same size vehicle to tow a like sized vehicle...it's against their policy.

I rented dollys from them twice before buying my own. Just tell them a small car each time so they wont give you lip.



Guess the Kids are keeping him busy.

 

[W-Cummins]

On another note, garage is coming along great. You should just install pallet racks and get a forklift to get to your belongings. I'm thinking that pallets of christmas decorations, winter clothes, camping gear, would benefit greatly from a simple effective storage system. Then get some bar code scanners and label everything and locations, and you would never lose anything ever again. You would have the best running warehouse....eh....house/garage in the world....
hehehe

Ok, they are now going to think that I put you up to this one.....

But....

Here are the pictures of the stuff going up on the pallet racking. The stuff worked out great and stored all most all the stuff in a more ordered mess I got all the racking used and it came out of a huge food warehouse that was getting all new stuff. The uprights were like 24' tall and I cut them down. I really like the wire decking....

As for U-haul well what can you say, their name just about says it all

William....

 

[78fj40]

Ok, they are now going to think that I put you up to this one.....

But you did!!!!




Anyways,

that looks great. I need to pick up two sections for my garage, I'm keeping my eyes open for something pretty local. The worst part is that when my dad sold his business we gave away tons of that **** for next to nothing....

I prefer using large pieces of MDF over the wire racking, too easy to spill a box and lose stuff everywhere. Plus you can add a 2x4 on the back to make sure noting slides off the back of the racking. Check some army surplus or the like for large storage pallet bins. They are great for storing all kinds of ****, and you can move it down all at once from a high shelf.

I think a place like this may have them cheap:

http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/index.aspx


Keep the photos coming. I'm attempting to get my Sheetrock hung in the next week or so....

 

[snydes]

Truely a remarkable build!
William's experience has been an inspiration for my own shop project, and he has on several occasions took the time to answer many questions I had during the process. Thanks a buch William!


A round of applause please.....

Steve

 

[W-Cummins]

Truely a remarkable build!
William's experience has been an inspiration for my own shop project, and he has on several occasions took the time to answer many questions I had during the process. Thanks a buch William!


A round of applause please.....

Steve

Thanks for the kind words! I'm going to get to move back in today after 3+ days with no power, water, or heat. Dam ice storm. We huddled togher for the first day, but then it was too much with the little ones... Dam thing was that I could see power out the window, the county has a garage down the road 400 yds and it had power:-(

William...

 

[Down Under Bloke]

I'm guessing, a generator just moved up the wish list and it has pre approval for the finance committee.

PS: Nice racking and stacking

 

[snydes]

....and I'm sure it's not going to be an average unit!

 

[Roseknight]

I just joined to read this thread and see the pics... nice job

 

[storts]

So along the way I had to move out of my house that I was renting and start living in the unfinshed space so the 26' and 19' Uhauls puked their contents into the shop space... It's amazing how much **** you can cram into two trucks!

William,Maybe i missed it,we know your part or all of super amn,,But im looking at my shop dwgs,and want to cry,,I missed what approx did this cost,If you dont mind,and what do you do for a living,(Brain surgery)?If you dont want to answer, But this is not something you see done,and the Pics,and narration,and total craftsmanship?????Thanks In Advance,Jack

 

[W-Cummins]

....and I'm sure it's not going to be an average unit!

I'm not sure about the generator setup. I guess I should ask others what they have done for a backup system. My main problem is that the well pump is 3 phase and that requires that the back system is too. Also I wounder if nat gas would be better than deisel for the fuel source. I'm tending to the nat gas, but if it too went out .....

But im looking at my shop dwgs,and want to cry,, I missed what approx did this cost
Jack

Well if I totaled it all up, I'm sure that I would want to cry too... But, I know that w/o the cost of the land Im well north of 100k into it....

I saw your other post about the gantry crane mounting on the red iron frames I'm sure that you can do that but the building would have to be designed to support the loads on the frames and it's not some thing that most smaller building design places would have much call for.. For my use I'm just going to use my 3 ton adjustable A frame crane ( patterned after a wallas design) I know it's not as usefull as the full over head but I don't do that much over head lifting.

William....

 

[allredhaven]

William,

You are a true inspiration to me!! I have been planning my 60x100x18 workshop/living space now for 2 months, and plan to start building in the summer.

Thanks for all the great tips and advice!!!

Brett

 

[Bib Overalls]

Natural gas is a good choice for backup power. The odds of losing electric and gas service at the same time are remote. Natural gas will not water up, grow fungus, or turn to jelly in cold weather. And it will not carbon up the motor as a result of short periods of operation.

Ain't it time for an update?

 

[W-Cummins]

Natural gas is a good choice for backup power. The odds of losing electric and gas service at the same time are remote. Natural gas will not water up, grow fungus, or turn to jelly in cold weather. And it will not carbon up the motor as a result of short periods of operation.

I agree the natural gas is the slick way to go as far as fuel to run it is concerned. The main thing that I don't like about most of the natural gas gen sets is that they are converted gas engines ( smaller models are automotive engines ) I guess that I wounder about their durability ( I know it's not really a valid concern as I would hope the power is back on before the gen set is worn out

Ain't it time for an update?

It is, in fact I need to upload some more pictures soon. I have not had great progress but there was/is some. I will see if I can't get some stuff uploaded in a few days.....

William.....

 

[Bib Overalls]

Around here a lot of agricultural operations use propane and natural gas fueled automotive engine to operate pumps. They last for years. One of my friends works for a propane service and recently scored two Crysler 354 hemi engines that had been in service for at least 50 years. Still running. Another friend bought a Chevy 454 from a radio station. It had been used to run an emergency backup generator. This one was in service for at least 20 years. It was test started regularly, and had good compression. If I was thinking about an emergency power generator I would go with propane and not worry a lick.

 

[Curtis M]

WoW Thanks for your time doing all the detailed posting, this helps me and I am sure others. Gives me a good understanding of what i am up against if I chose to do this myself

 

[W-Cummins]

WoW Thanks for your time doing all the detailed posting, this helps me and I am sure others. Gives me a good understanding of what i am up against if I chose to do this myself

Sorry, Curtis that I missed your post I have been neglecting my shop thread here as of late. I need to upload some more pictures and stuff!

So I guess I will upload some of one of the con-current (too many) projects I'm working on here.

As Some of you know I purchased a small compressor for my shop but I didn't mention that the "Handy" guy I purchased it from had no idea how to rig and move some thing like it. So as you can guess he promptly dumped it over That smashed the magnetic starter, the oil filter, the pressure gauge, the unloader controls, the pressure switch, and last but not least the belt guard got munched too. So I repaired the mag starter and replaced the tubing on the unloader controls. I also made a new pressure switch from parts of a cheaper SqD switch and its more $$ cousin, that is used on the compressor. I also fabricated a whole new belt guard ( after the stock one). I could have probably reused the old belt guard by beating the hell out of it and un-mashing and welding it but, I don't like to do things like that.


Some place along the way, I also decided that I normally don't need 79cfm of air all the time. So I picked up a large ( 30-40hp) VFD to operate the compressor. That way I can just dial in the amount of air I need and run the pump at a slower rate unless max output is needed. I may need to make some type of a controller to allow the unit to start and unload, and run at the reduced out put, then when needed, reload and spin up based on the load. But for today the VFD will have to do....


William...

 

[W-Cummins]

Note to all builders!

Don't do what I did! I just recently installed the drain lines for my rain gutters. What a pain in the .... Being a newbe I didn't think to install them when the foundation was open. It would have been a snap to install them then. Well at least a lot nicer than what I had to do... So because of my lack of for thought I had to install them after the back filling was done. I first toyed with digging them with my back hoe but the smallest bucket I have is 24" wide. That would have been a lot of over kill for a 6" drain line. Also you can't get close to the building. In the US we do not use the European style of machines with the vertical stabilizers and off settable booms Anyway I rented a large trencher that would dig the trench for the 6" drain line. You want to have a fall to you drain lines so that requires a sloping trench. The trencher is not really setup to do that but I went along and slowly raised the boom as I went for the 120' from the run off ditch to the first downspout. Of course this was only a rough approximation of the required slope. So then I got to stand in the ditch and dig it out in places and fill and compact it in others to get a slope. pix of the finished project to follow..

William...

 

[bmwpower]

Yea, I'm in the same boat. Be lucky that you have slope. I live in a farm field, so it's virtually flat. I hand dug the drain for the garage since it was dumping water against the house...fun.

Any ideas what to do if you don't have slope?

Note to all builders!

Don't do what I did! I just recently installed the drain lines for my rain gutters. What a pain in the .... Being a newbe I didn't think to install them when the foundation was open. It would have been a snap to install them then. Well at least a lot nicer than what I had to do... So because of my lack of for thought I had to install them after the back filling was done. I first toyed with digging them with my back hoe but the smallest bucket I have is 24" wide. That would have been a lot of over kill for a 6" drain line. Also you can't get close to the building. In the US we do not use the European style of machines with the vertical stabilizers and off settable booms Anyway I rented a large trencher that would dig the trench for the 6" drain line. You want to have a fall to you drain lines so that requires a sloping trench. The trencher is not really setup to do that but I went along and slowly raised the boom as I went for the 120' from the run off ditch to the first downspout. Of course this was only a rough approximation of the required slope. So then I got to stand in the ditch and dig it out in places and fill and compact it in others to get a slope. pix of the finished project to follow..

William...

 

[Industrial Concepts]

Are you going to run pipe from your compressor? If so, what type? We havre been putting in quite a bit of Prevost Aluminum piping. This the cleanest other than copper (twice the price) & there are quite a few accessories available ie: drops w drains etc.
Bob

 

[cyclopsblown34]

Make certain you don't go more than 10:1 on the motor with the VFD. 10% of rated speed or less will tend to cook a motor unless it is inverter duty which is way overkill. At least this is what I have been told about current 3ph motors.
You should be able to slow down the accel time enough that your air delivery doesn't seriously exceed your need. You may even be able to find a sweet spot where the motor continues to run enough to keep up with your demand and not kick off until you are done. Keep the frequency above 6hz and you should be allright.
Awesome build.

 

[W-Cummins]

Yea, I'm in the same boat. Be lucky that you have slope. I live in a farm field, so it's virtually flat. I hand dug the drain for the garage since it was dumping water against the house...fun.

Any ideas what to do if you don't have slope?

Sure but your not going to like it and at this point it will not really help. If you have a flat site you need to build the building site up so your structure is higher then the surrounding ground. The only other idea I can give you are $$ dry wells. Does the city have storm sewers in your area you might be able to put in a smaller dry well and then pump to the drain sewer.

Are you going to run pipe from your compressor? If so, what type? We havre been putting in quite a bit of Prevost Aluminum piping. This the cleanest other than copper (twice the price) & there are quite a few accessories available ie: drops w drains etc.
Bob

Well I will look into that system. The main problem is that I will need a lot of what ever I do use. That will probably make cost a major factor. Right now I'm tending toward iron pipe due to the cost but I'm open to other systems too...

Make certain you don't go more than 10:1 on the motor with the VFD. 10% of rated speed or less will tend to cook a motor unless it is inverter duty which is way overkill. At least this is what I have been told about current 3ph motors.
You should be able to slow down the accel time enough that your air delivery doesn't seriously exceed your need. You may even be able to find a sweet spot where the motor continues to run enough to keep up with your demand and not kick off until you are done. Keep the frequency above 6hz and you should be allright.
Awesome build.

Thanks!

I'm not planning on running the motor at less than 1/2 speed as I need to keep the RPM up for the pump to function properly. I assume that Quincy's min RPM for the pump (450rpm) is due to the pressure lubrication need a min speed to work properly. The compressor also has dual controls that will make running like you describe very easy to do. I can set the machine to continuous run, and adjust the unloaders to cycle at a lower pressure. The slick way to do it would be to have a micro controller and some solenoid controlled valves to run the unloaders. That way I could just dial in the desired setting, and if I put a flow sensor on it (in a closed feedback loop) it would be all most the ultimate setup for my needs.


William....

 

[rcn11thacr]

I consider myself to have lots of stamina for these types of builds, although I must admit I am darn near worn out just from reading this from the first post to the last. I thought my 40x40 two story (home built) out of 3.5 sched 40 pipe was a big deal. You are doing an exceptional job William.

 

[RenegadeEngr]

You are my new hero today. Nice build, I can't wait to see all of your machinery setup..

 

[W-Cummins]

I consider myself to have lots of stamina for these types of builds, although I must admit I am darn near worn out just from reading this from the first post to the last. I thought my 40x40 two story (home built) out of 3.5 sched 40 pipe was a big deal. You are doing an exceptional job William.

Thanks, I have a question for you ( and also any others that have read through this post) I have been thinking about getting rid of the small attachments and posting the photos as links to an off site storage site. This would remove the small thumbnail pictures from the post, and would display full size photos in this thread. Like you can see in some other threads here (and like we used to have before the new management changed it to save on bandwidth costs). It just seems to me that larger pictures were nicer and you don't have to click on them to open them in another window. Thoughts ? If there is not any interest I will not do it as it's a bit of work for me to go back and edit all the posts, but if there is interest I would do it....

You are my new hero today. Nice build, I can't wait to see all of your machinery setup..

Well you will have to stop by some time and check it out

William....

 

[Vernmotor]

I don't mind the pics. but the bigger the better. I just enjoy you take the time share it with us how ever you see fit thank you.

 

[PAToyota]

The only issue with off-site hosting is that if you don't keep that up, the pictures disappear down the road. Even small pictures are better than no pictures.

 

[stangkid14]

well done.

 

[dkmc]

I stumbled onto this site and joined to see the pictures in this post.
Anyone thinking about putting up a metal building of any size needs to read and study this. Very interesting and informative!
Good to see Machine Tools on the scene, promotes good carma IMHO

William, if you compiled this into a book I think people would pay for the info.

.....just another question....
You wouldn't be related to the Cummins Engine Fortune would you??

Dan K -Machinist

 

[W-Cummins]

The only issue with off-site hosting is that if you don't keep that up, the pictures disappear down the road. Even small pictures are better than no pictures.

Well that's true, but I have had a web presence for 10 years ( quite a bit longer than this site has been here Maybe I will try some of them and see how it works. I really like how you can embed the pictures into the text. It makes it a more interesting to read you can have your text as caption to the pictures.

I stumbled onto this site and joined to see the pictures in this post.

Well there is some thing I had not really thought about is that people have to join to see these pictures, but wouldn't need to if I hosted them... humm...

Anyone thinking about putting up a metal building of any size needs to read and study this. Very interesting and informative!
Good to see Machine Tools on the scene, promotes good carma IMHO

William, if you compiled this into a book I think people would pay for the info.

.....just another question....
You wouldn't be related to the Cummins Engine Fortune would you??

Dan K -Machinist

Thanks Dan, and unfortunately no, I'm not related to the engine co. Oh well can't win them all....

William....

 

[W-Cummins]

As promised here are some pictures of the drain lines and another project I'm completing.
The overhead doors are installed in most wood structures with a stop molding that seals the door to the frame. There is really no good deal like that for steel buildings. Also the door is a "tight" fit to the door opening. the door is only over size in my case by 2" so you have 1" on each side for overlap. If say your door opening is out of square 1/4" in the 14' then you only have 3/4" overlap at parts of the door. This really leaves very little to seal the door to the frame. So to get a good seal I picked up a bunch of 16 gauge 1.25" square tubing. Primed it and then drilled 3/4" holes in one side of it so I can attach it to the inside of the door openings. I measured the "J" channel that comes with the trim package from MBCI and it wraps the 1.25 tube just perfectly. So it now matches the trim color and seals the door way better than before.


William...