National Polymer?

[peetsjunkie]

So I either have 2 weeks to order stuff, or hold off this year and wait till next year to do the garage. I have been in contact with budgetbob's site which have access to National Polymer epoxy. 100% solids as well. Reasonable pricing @ $225 for 3 gallon kit.

Whereas, Wolverine stuff is more per gallon. But, i'd need primer and topcoat.

Anyone out there use this stuff?

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Our stuff is $86.20/gallon... unless you agree to send us pics back and critique our instructions... then... we make you a killer deal... and... the price is not public!

There is no comparison between our products and National Polymers. It's not even close.

 

[peetsjunkie]

Our stuff is $86.20/gallon... unless you agree to send us pics back and critique our instructions... then... we make you a killer deal... and... the price is not public!

There is no comparison between our products and National Polymers. It's not even close.

Well, there has to be some comparision. They are both 100% soilds, both can be topcoated. Why is your so much better?? So besides marketing all these products whats the real difference? I'm also confused on why some say to topcoat the flakes and others say don't?

I put down some paint stripper on my current floor and it lifted in about 2 seconds. Behr stuff is cr@p!

 

[thegarageguy]

........waiting for reply...............

 

[WolverineCoatings]

First, our products are ceramic or semi-ceramic. In addition to that side, the polymer chemistry is superior with AHC type epoxy. There are lots of types of epoxies... Bis A, BisF, Novolac, Phenolic, Polyamide, Aliphatic, Polyamines... etc... the list goes on and on...

Our LiquaTile 1184 is extremely hard... but flexible. About 10 years ago I developed coatings using AHC (Advanced Hybrid Cycloaliphatic) techology. This chemistry allows for a more thorough reaction that gives a higher cross link density. Then, by fluoromodification the the product is again enhanced although not astronomical in price like most Fluoropolymers.

Since it is devoid from low cost 100% solids liquid fillers such as nonylphenol or dibutyl phthalate, it gains flexibility from polymer chain extension rather than polymer chain termination. The low cost fillers also decrease the surface hardness. I'm too tired right now to type an extremely technical answer. However, the bottom line is that the ceramic modification, the AHC polymer system, higher quality materials, and the Fluoropolymer modification yields a coating that has extreme abrasion resistance without being brittle.

I may add to this after dinner... I've been working really hard in the yard all day...

 

[slghmmr88]

Wow, now I'm exhausted, I think I need a nap.

 

[Budgetbob's Daughter]

Budget Bob's daughter and grandson are continuing the paint sales, and yes, National Polymers is our manufacturer. We'd love to also use Wolverine, however that is not possible due to their non-compete agreement for distributors and the price of the course they require.

NP is providing us with free training and access to customer support by their representative for our area.

Budget BOb was using NP for the past 6 months, and transitioning away from Wolverine. Why? I think it was the class requirement (according to Budget Bob's ex-wife, anyway) also. SO, Budget Bob and Wolverine had a good run for two years or so, but it looked like that break was going to happen soon, anyway. Wolverine sells a quality product and Eric has been personally very wonderful and we are sorry that we can't continue the relationship.

But, we also wouldn't have one with NP if dad didn't have good experiences with their products over the past few months.

We are in the beginning stages of "up and running"> A bit of patience, but we are ready to accept orders with our first shipments going our of NP on Tuesday.

 

[tenkids]

Our stuff is $86.20/gallon... unless you agree to send us pics back and critique our instructions... then... we make you a killer deal... and... the price is not public!

There is no comparison between our products and National Polymers. It's not even close.

Ahh! Well, I have my order in! And I promise to take before and after pix for you! Maybe you already gave me that "killer Price", I don't know.

I don't think Andy has completed my order...so I think I'll have him add a pair of spiked shoes.

For the rest of y'all...we are doing a 546' garage... and 357' on the outside pad. We are doing the light gray, with slate blue/ darker blue, white chips, and on the outside pad, no chips, and a colored grey urethane topped w/ a clear to prevent/ slow UV discoloration. Will post pix here as well. Plan to do next weekend if I get my stuff in time. I ordered 3 (3 gallon) kits of Liquatile 1884, and 2 (3 gallon sizes) of bondtite 1102, and 2 gal urethane. Forgot to order the spiked shoes., but hopefully Eric will see this and fix me up.

 

[thegarageguy]

First, our products are ceramic or semi-ceramic. In addition to that side, the polymer chemistry is superior with AHC type epoxy. There are lots of types of epoxies... Bis A, BisF, Novolac, Phenolic, Polyamide, Aliphatic, Polyamines... etc... the list goes on and on...

Our LiquaTile 1184 is extremely hard... but flexible. About 10 years ago I developed coatings using AHC (Advanced Hybrid Cycloaliphatic) techology. This chemistry allows for a more thorough reaction that gives a higher cross link density. Then, by fluoromodification the the product is again enhanced although not astronomical in price like most Fluoropolymers.

Since it is devoid from low cost 100% solids liquid fillers such as nonylphenol or dibutyl phthalate, it gains flexibility from polymer chain extension rather than polymer chain termination. The low cost fillers also decrease the surface hardness. I'm too tired right now to type an extremely technical answer. However, the bottom line is that the ceramic modification, the AHC polymer system, higher quality materials, and the Fluoropolymer modification yields a coating that has extreme abrasion resistance without being brittle.

I may add to this after dinner... I've been working really hard in the yard all day...

Are you saying that National Polymer does not offer or sell AHC (Advanced Hybrid Cycloaliphatic) epoxy? Only you?

 

[WolverineCoatings]

Nope... not only us... I've worked and formulated for a few other companies that have first or second generation... In addition, we Private Label our products for several companies. Does National Polymers have AHC technology? Not that I am aware of... and... I know their product line pretty well. They do have some simple cycloaliphatic technology... but... no AHC.

Our LiquaTile 1184 (which is our lowest technology product) will even handle high concentrations of Sulfuric Acid! We have this product in our Laboratory areas and mop it with MEK on a regular basis. This product is also installed at Unilever (www.unilever.com) in a heavy forklift traffic area. The LiquaTile 1184 was applied one week after a 1/4" troweled floor by another company. Our LiquaTile 1184 still looks great after 2 years... the 1/4" troweled floor is failing. It's a rough environment.