Natural Gas Line
- Thread starter Two Pump Chump
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wssix99
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I'll add this to my list of why I should loose all faith in humanity.
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Two Pump Chump
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This is on a recently purchased house that passed inspection and . . . . . . There is other wonderful stuff.
Barnabas
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I’m guessing that is the gas meter in the center of the picture. and the gas goes into the meter on the yellow line and comes out and goes to the water heater on the silver line. But what is the blue line that appears to also go into and out of the meter?
yatg
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Its a water meter. The gas line is behind it. The drip leg is NOT coming out of the bottom of the water meter. The gas CSST should be protected. Still looks like ****.
nadogail
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If anybody were to question the need for Eye Bleach, just show them this picture.
jack stand
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Yeah but they got the good foamy **** bracing everything up. 
Walkers
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The gas line is probably the only thing that is decent. Those water lines and meter are a disaster.
wssix99
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We should all feel lucky that the installer didn't hook the gas line up to the water meter.
BillK
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It looks like **** but is there any reason there that it should not have passed inspection ? Just curious.
dfiler2
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It looks like the gas line comes in through the wall directly under the water meter, at least it would be a fairly easy fix to move the water meter to the left side. I am a little confused by what appears to be a flex line on the left.
Left to right:
Red: hot water supply
Dark blue: water main
Blue: cold water supply
Orange: gas
****** routing through a single hole into the utility closet, I'm assuming slab on grade or a crawlspace, but I don't see a glaring issue.
Note: I've never used csst (and likely wont ever).
Red: hot water supply
Dark blue: water main
Blue: cold water supply
Orange: gas
****** routing through a single hole into the utility closet, I'm assuming slab on grade or a crawlspace, but I don't see a glaring issue.
Note: I've never used csst (and likely wont ever).
Big Bad Dad
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Inspections are required to just make sure that the stuff being installed has met the MINIMUM standards of the building codes. Stuff can be code compliant and pass inspection. Even if it looks like ****. Which this job does.
Zeke
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CSST not allowed to pass through walls or floors. One CSST per appliance.
Walkers
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I am guessing that is a CSST gas feed to another appliance located elsewhere. I don’t believe that is a code compliant way to do it, but I was getting out of that portion of the industry and into high pressure regulation about the time CSST was really taking off.
DGersic
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Wow that’s ugly. It might be code compliant, but looking at it makes me want to go get my sawzall and start improving it.
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Two Pump Chump
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Do the plastic pipes need to be secured to . .. . . .. . .. anything ? Can they just free-stand in space flopping around ?
Jim greengo
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Kustom,with a K!
Walkers
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Is it? It’s hard to tell with that water meter right in front of everything.
DGersic
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They’re supposed to be supported. I think it’s every 32”, if I recall correctly.
mike93lx
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Passed what kind of inspection? One by a private home inspector for the sale? There isn't a pass/fail on that and they have no teeth. Or was it a permit inspection by am AHJ? That's a different story
ZRX61
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Friend of mine is in one of the Ca flood zones right now. He got a gas leak between the meter & the house.... 1300ft away. Gas company showed up today, cut his gas off & said "Call us when you find the leak"...
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Two Pump Chump
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Mike that fixture is not in CA but it would absolutely fail a home inspection IF it was not to code or safe. Absolutely. And that would have teeth in CA because the entrained system will not advance a sale on that. This includes the buyer agent or realtor, the financial institution, and the VA loan regs if involved. In other places it seems it is the wild west and no one pays a second thought. I checked my fixture in our 2006 tract home and there are no exposed plastic or PEX (?) tubing at the water heater. If, as stated above, CSST is not allowed to pass through walls or floor, and I would assume governance by National, then local code and the supplying service, then it would fail a home inspection in CA. And that would have to be fixed as a condition of the sale and the loan and all the $$ involved. So money talks in the end. I wasn't at the subject location at the walk through or inspection but if I had been I would have flagged it and stopped the potential sale. So in this thread two differing opinions have been offered. It meets code or it does not. ???
You posted it.
So does it meet code, or not?
Just because you think it should be done differently doesn't mean it should have been flagged.
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Two Pump Chump
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PC, someone else posted it. If it is true, then it doesn't meet code and should have been flagged. I am not a builder, plumber nor do I have the relevant code to read for myself. But there are such qualified people that are members here. And a prospective buyer can request, require anything he wants. Not saying that is recommended or productive but an informed buyer has some teeth. Do you agree with Mike93 ? - thanks
mike93lx
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Flagged by whom?
I don't see this stopping a mortgage unless it has special financing terms, like and FHA loan, or it is a required inspection by the AHJ to authorize the sale. A home inspection paid for by a buyer is neither of those
I don't see this stopping a mortgage unless it has special financing terms, like and FHA loan, or it is a required inspection by the AHJ to authorize the sale. A home inspection paid for by a buyer is neither of those
dave*99
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But it can be run in walls if properly protected??
HoosierBuddy
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I despise CSST.
I would assume that 90% of DIY CSST installations do not meet National Fuel Code for one of the following 2 reasons.
1. Installer is not trained as required by NFC.
2. CSST is not installed per manufacture's specs.
On 1, you have to at least self train by downloading , reading, and understanding the manufacturer's documentation.
On 2, you have to actually follow their requirements. Electrical bonding back to the main building ground is the one I see most often ignored.
Black Pipe is the way to go. It's been in service for over 100 years and works fine.
I would assume that 90% of DIY CSST installations do not meet National Fuel Code for one of the following 2 reasons.
1. Installer is not trained as required by NFC.
2. CSST is not installed per manufacture's specs.
On 1, you have to at least self train by downloading , reading, and understanding the manufacturer's documentation.
On 2, you have to actually follow their requirements. Electrical bonding back to the main building ground is the one I see most often ignored.
Black Pipe is the way to go. It's been in service for over 100 years and works fine.
Zeke
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There is one factor involved, the type of connection allowed in walls. For instance, no unions under the house (that would be the crawl space on an older CA home — we don't have many basements). For that we have to use a LR coupling which suggests only pipe to pipe threaded joints when concealed.
So, since you need a shut off before the CSST and only one CSST per appliance; the answer is still generally no. No shut offs in the wall either.
I see where there are types of CSST that can be used in enclosed spaces. This is not the typical yellow "hook up" that you would use from the wall to the stove, etc. The stuff used elsewhere has a NPT just like black iron pipe. IDT we allow much of this in CA. I could be wrong about that. YMMV.
dave*99
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It can get confusing because some folks mix terms for these 2 different products.
Typical around here. Residents are responsible for everything after the meter.
mike93lx
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The thing about that post that hits me as odd is the distance from meter to panel. I've always seen meters at the house
housewolf
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Thread topic says NG line but the picture has a large portion of the NG line obscured by the water meter. I’d have to see it in its entirety before passing judgement.
Im not versed in every code and local amendment in the US but I don’t see it being okay to use an appliance connector to go through the floor if that’s what I’m looking at.
Im not versed in every code and local amendment in the US but I don’t see it being okay to use an appliance connector to go through the floor if that’s what I’m looking at.
Jay H 237
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There's nothing I see there that would fail an inspection, especially the gas line. The water lines look like Ray Charles with help from Helen Keller installed them and I don't like the way they are but still not an absolute fail point. I see plenty of room for improvement though.
firebirdparts
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Good to hear there's somebody competent still working. that's what they're supposed to do.