Nazi Eagle stamped V Block
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yatg
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Arte Johnson, Laugh-In
pcrov
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Grinder will fix that **** right up.
southalabama
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They marked everything including the Jewish prisoners.
The Nazi Eagle: The Nazi government adopted a stylized eagle as a national emblem (Hoheitszeichen) by order of Adolf Hitler in 1935. This Reichsadler (National Eagle) differed from the Parteiadler (Party Eagle) used by the Nazi Party in the direction the eagle's head was facing: The Reichsadler looked towards its right shoulder, while the Parteiadler looked towards its left. These eagles were typically depicted clutching a wreath surrounding a ********
The Nazi Eagle: The Nazi government adopted a stylized eagle as a national emblem (Hoheitszeichen) by order of Adolf Hitler in 1935. This Reichsadler (National Eagle) differed from the Parteiadler (Party Eagle) used by the Nazi Party in the direction the eagle's head was facing: The Reichsadler looked towards its right shoulder, while the Parteiadler looked towards its left. These eagles were typically depicted clutching a wreath surrounding a ********
Jack Ryan
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The Reichsadler predated Hitler and the Nazi party. They just added the ******** which, as a separate symbol, also predated the Nazi party.
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Private Lugnutz
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Nice find, Marty. If you're not familiar, and for further research, the "WaA640" is a Waffenamt (Weapons agency) code. Like everything else in almost all collecting hobbies, many of them can be found online, including use case, manufacturer, and date.
WW2 German Waffenamt (Waa) Markings, Codes & Manufacturers. - MilitariaToday
Here you will find a very useful list of WW2 German Waffenamt markings, their respective codes & manufacturers.
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The ******** is an ancient symbol found across many cultures and dating back thousands of years. It originated in India and is derived from the Sanskrit word "svastika," meaning "good fortune" or "well-being". The symbol has been used in various religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, and was also adopted by ancient civilizations in Europe, such as the Greeks and Romans.
I never knew this until one day I was at work and an Indian woman was wearing a sweater covered in swastikas (not Nozi colors). It seemed odd until I learned the origin of the symbol
I never knew this until one day I was at work and an Indian woman was wearing a sweater covered in swastikas (not Nozi colors). It seemed odd until I learned the origin of the symbol
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There is a very good chance your V-Block came to America in a WWII veteran’s duffle bag; part on the booty/loot/war souvenirs all over this country - proper place, of course, is with the family as a memento to a valiant service the ‘Great Generation’ provided to the world; that value sorely fading.
txvwnut
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Correct but no one notices that the Nazi version is displayed with the corners at 12-3-6 and 9:00 and the Hindu version is displayed with the flats and 12-3-6 and 9:00. Also the Hindu version sometimes has four dots.
jar944
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Pretty common to see on items manufacturered during the war.
Private Lugnutz
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Well, if we're going to turn Marty's find into a treatise on pre-Nazi ******** use, there's a very pertinent example much closer to home in the Vintage Tools Discussion forum.
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Buffum 10" Curved Adjustable
I saw the other post with the Buffum tool and thought I'd show my only one. Bought it from Papaw a couple years ago. DSCF2211 by wvwheaties, on Flickr DSCF2213 by wvwheaties, on Flickr
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Cleave
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Curious if it was made as a v block for machinist workholding as I don't see anywhere to clamp it down (without a vise), or a bottom die for a press brake of some sort?
slowtwitch73
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^^^You can just clamp down on the work depending what the operation is. Can also be used on it's side in a vise.
Beerhippie
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If you put a bunch of swastikas together, you get a basket-weave pattern--which accounts for the wide-spread use.
Indian and similar patterns are the reverse of the Nazi one.
That would be a shame. Consider how it probably got here. It's a symbol of defeating them, not promoting them.
cvairwerks
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Left facing arms were part of a couple of Buddist sects symbology. Earliest know usage of the right facing arms is more than 10,000 years ago, way before the Hindu's and the 3rd Reich every were even conceived.
Beerhippie
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It probably came home with the machine shop some GI brought home in his duffel.
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I collect WWII Firearms - the Germans proof marked even the smallest parts.
I also agree with 1982fxr - It's not promoting them. It's preserving history
I take a certain amount of pleasure knowing that I have German, Japanese and Italian firearms stored in my safe, in the US, sandwiched between the Allied firearms we used to defeat them.
I'm sure the German or Japanese soldier that carried those firearms never expected they would end up in a basement safe in Illinois!!
I also agree with 1982fxr - It's not promoting them. It's preserving history
I take a certain amount of pleasure knowing that I have German, Japanese and Italian firearms stored in my safe, in the US, sandwiched between the Allied firearms we used to defeat them.
I'm sure the German or Japanese soldier that carried those firearms never expected they would end up in a basement safe in Illinois!!
jabberwoki
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Nice score.
pcrov
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Don't care how it got here. As soon as it's bought and sold it's just nazi memorabilia. Let the history of it include scraping that **** off and leaving it in the dust.
You're certainly free to spend your money buying this old stuff to grind symbols off of.
Interesting that (most likely) the guy who brought it here actually fought a war against them and chose not to do that. It's a war trophy. Winners get those.
pcrov
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It's super weird that you're literally making up a whole person in order to defend keeping nazi **** around.
Debcrow
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New Mexico State University Yearbook.
The Swastica. Used until 1983.
Flat arms at top and bottom, left and right.
Used a long time before the Nazi use as it was a American Indian symbol.
And it was used through WWII because its origin had nothing to do with Germany.
It was not until PC became the thing that it was changed.
The Swastica. Used until 1983.
Flat arms at top and bottom, left and right.
Used a long time before the Nazi use as it was a American Indian symbol.
And it was used through WWII because its origin had nothing to do with Germany.
It was not until PC became the thing that it was changed.
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This tete-a-tete about a Nazi Waffenamt is the strangest conversation I have seen in a long time!
At first I thought you were being sarcastic about the grinder, @pcrov. Now I can see that you're not only serious, but apparently near activist about it.
While it's true that skinheads and actual modern day white supremacists and the like have also acquired Nazi memorabilia, that perverts the primary purpose of the first wave of collectors, which was incontrovertibly in the 'to the victors go the spoils' category, as tokens and trophies of vanquished foes undoubtedly carried home in duffels, boxes, and trunks as others have mentioned. And that's the theme that was carried into ensuing waves of collectors when its historical factor and value only continued to increase with age. Nazi helmets, daggers, and insignia are typically 3-5 x as expensive as the equivalents of US forces for a reason, and at the core of this well-informed market is still the ownership of an item originally belonging to someone who had some kind of hand in defeating a modern regime so evil it can sometimes start to seem unreal in hindsight. Museums do a service in reminding younger generations. Private collections, and the fact that these bits and pieces are still in the hands of common folk, exchanged at flea markets and swap meets and car shows and tractor shows, are even more powerful.
Are you not aware that Nazi collectibles is a huge popular sub-segment of the WWII collectibles hobby? Or do you just think it's wrong?
If the latter, there's no need to argue. But the idea that anything needs to be made up or defended to explain it is as absurd as the idea that erasing the mark can somehow obliterate what it stood for from existence.
At first I thought you were being sarcastic about the grinder, @pcrov. Now I can see that you're not only serious, but apparently near activist about it.
While it's true that skinheads and actual modern day white supremacists and the like have also acquired Nazi memorabilia, that perverts the primary purpose of the first wave of collectors, which was incontrovertibly in the 'to the victors go the spoils' category, as tokens and trophies of vanquished foes undoubtedly carried home in duffels, boxes, and trunks as others have mentioned. And that's the theme that was carried into ensuing waves of collectors when its historical factor and value only continued to increase with age. Nazi helmets, daggers, and insignia are typically 3-5 x as expensive as the equivalents of US forces for a reason, and at the core of this well-informed market is still the ownership of an item originally belonging to someone who had some kind of hand in defeating a modern regime so evil it can sometimes start to seem unreal in hindsight. Museums do a service in reminding younger generations. Private collections, and the fact that these bits and pieces are still in the hands of common folk, exchanged at flea markets and swap meets and car shows and tractor shows, are even more powerful.
Are you not aware that Nazi collectibles is a huge popular sub-segment of the WWII collectibles hobby? Or do you just think it's wrong?
If the latter, there's no need to argue. But the idea that anything needs to be made up or defended to explain it is as absurd as the idea that erasing the mark can somehow obliterate what it stood for from existence.
txvwnut
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Or that it would end up as an EDC by some hillbilly from Texas that bought it from a pawn shop. I've got a Walther PPK that has the Nazi SS markings on it that is my concealed carry piece.
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Nice!!
I kind of unexpectedly retired early when my Dad died and took a cut in disposable income before I got the last few pieces for my WWII collection and I don't have a PPK.
I do have a Waffen marked PP and P.38 though.
Sorry OP for getting off topic
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txvwnut
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My PPK is marked in the same spots as that PP.Nice!!
I kind of unexpectedly retired early when my Dad died and took a cut in disposable income before I got the last few pieces for my WWII collection and I don't have a PPK.
I do have a Waffen marked PP and P.38 though.
Sorry OP for getting off topic
pcrov
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You are never going to convince me that the world is a better place because people can buy nazi souvenirs.
I said my piece and responded to people who've replied directly to me. People desperate to keep nazi **** around are working way harder in this thread than I am.
Will the world be a better place if the past is all forgotten and ignored? Or is it better to have some reminders of the past? The Germans did, and still do, manufacture some very nice things. That part can be appreciated while remembering what the Nazis were all about.
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To me, being a US citizen and Vet, owning Nazi marked military stuff is a poke directly in the Nazi's eye.
F' them! They lost and now we own their $hit!
F' them! They lost and now we own their $hit!
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Private Lugnutz
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You've mistaken my summary of the Nazi collectibles segment of the WWII collectibles universe as progressive and you've mistaken its purpose as dissuading you of your opinion. It's not the first time I have encountered people who consider it unethical or repugnant, although I must say it's the first time on a site like this. Let me be more direct. I don't care about your opinion and your opinion has zero chance of having any impact on the hobby and practice. I was simply trying to disabuse you of the notion that it was some shadowy niche operating in the dark by disrespectable people, because I really couldn't tell from your posts if you were young or inexperienced and unaware or if you self-rationalized the cultural space you are operating in as somehow mainstream and definitive.
Desperate to keep it around would imply that it is somehow authoritatively frowned on or suppressed. I still don't think you understand. You do realize it is sold on eBay, right? Again, the only thing out of the ordinary here about Marty finding it, posting it, and many of us considering it a cool, interesting score, is your objection to it.
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I spotted this dagger in an antiques shop in Prague while on vacation last year. Those 20,000 Czech koruna (crowns) are about $950!
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Back on topic...
As a collector of WWII hand tools, I am a cosmo hound, of course. A GJer from Texas just cleared out a shed or something and found a 1945 Onan genset toolkit, all of it still wrapped in cosmo and repack tape, linked here, for example. I have loads of it, some unopened, some removed and cleaned and slipped into sets. I have to say, though, I don't recall seeing Nazi stuff before. Pistols, daggers, helmets, insignia, and all kinds of gear were typically purloined in the field. What's interesting about your find is that it was almost certainly removed from a facility. Some kind of Third Reich version of an ordnance depot or something where all kinds of tools and machine shop equipment was put into long-term storage. Really neat.
I mean to comment on this earlier, Marty.
As a collector of WWII hand tools, I am a cosmo hound, of course. A GJer from Texas just cleared out a shed or something and found a 1945 Onan genset toolkit, all of it still wrapped in cosmo and repack tape, linked here, for example. I have loads of it, some unopened, some removed and cleaned and slipped into sets. I have to say, though, I don't recall seeing Nazi stuff before. Pistols, daggers, helmets, insignia, and all kinds of gear were typically purloined in the field. What's interesting about your find is that it was almost certainly removed from a facility. Some kind of Third Reich version of an ordnance depot or something where all kinds of tools and machine shop equipment was put into long-term storage. Really neat.
Private Lugnutz
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^ The other possibility is it being found in a ransacked Nazi facility during the war, mixed up with US tools and equipment while in theater, and put into long term storage in an Ordnance Dept here, then sold as surplus. Lots of that stuff made its way into Army/Navy type stores in the 60s and 70s. I'm curious what other kind of stuff he had.
I don't think you understand the concept of war trophies.
Had I been alive and sent over there, and lived, you are damn right I'd be bringing some of their **** home. **** them. Mine now. Killing them and taking their **** is the ultimate asskicking. My grandpa tried to bring a German sniper rifle back but they wouldn't let him. So he brought other stuff.
You should watch the Sopranos episode It's Da Jaaaacket.
Beerhippie
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It's also possible it was shipped overseas to Japan after being repacked. Somehow, Emperor MacArthur managed to get entire German factories, including foremen and engineers, shipped to Japan during reconstruction.
Very imformativeNice find, Marty. If you're not familiar, and for further research, the "WaA640" is a Waffenamt (Weapons agency) code. Like everything else in almost all collecting hobbies, many of them can be found online, including use case, manufacturer, and date.
WW2 German Waffenamt (Waa) Markings, Codes & Manufacturers. - MilitariaToday
Here you will find a very useful list of WW2 German Waffenamt markings, their respective codes & manufacturers.
Thanks for the link. Glad your not all in a tizzy about my postNice find, Marty. If you're not familiar, and for further research, the "WaA640" is a Waffenamt (Weapons agency) code. Like everything else in almost all collecting hobbies, many of them can be found online, including use case, manufacturer, and date.
WW2 German Waffenamt (Waa) Markings, Codes & Manufacturers. - MilitariaToday
Here you will find a very useful list of WW2 German Waffenamt markings, their respective codes & manufacturers.
Thanks for the link. Glad your not all riled up about my post. Just a tool I found, rather it be that than starrett or brown and sharpe. Find them all the time.Nice find, Marty. If you're not familiar, and for further research, the "WaA640" is a Waffenamt (Weapons agency) code. Like everything else in almost all collecting hobbies, many of them can be found online, including use case, manufacturer, and date.
WW2 German Waffenamt (Waa) Markings, Codes & Manufacturers. - MilitariaToday
Here you will find a very useful list of WW2 German Waffenamt markings, their respective codes & manufacturers.
four.cycle
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^ As it has been historically for all of known history, and most likely prior to that as well.
As it should be.
The native Americans took scalps, which I always thought was really a more "personal" way of doing it.
We pretend we are more civilized now, so we take knives and guns.
Has absolutely nothing at all to do with "promoting" or "glorifying" the religious or political tenets of the defeated. It is 100% about "I kicked your *** and took your ****."
Personally, I myself would prefer scalps.
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