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mrpowderkeg

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I have waited for a while so that I would have enough photos to make things interesting. Last year the lady and I purchased a place about 10 miles out of town, with the housing the way it is in ND, the only way we could get into anyplace is if we purchased it before the home was built, all it was was a hole in the ground. The only thing I wish I would have done different is stub out a water line from the house for the shop, I'll do this next year.

Anyhow, the max size I cold get away with was 1400 sq feet, mine is 1408, I had to get a variance. Due to the cold winters and heavy frost, I elected to go with a foundation, rather than a slab on grade. It costs more but the building will far outlast me. It also allows me to have water in the shop. I hope to have some more pics, I need to order the building material this week, and get things rolling asap, for now the groundwork is mostly done.

In the past life I worked for my father in the excavating business... he is truly a ninja backhoe operator. Making the first cut:
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About 1/2 done, digging only took two hours.
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After we had it all dug, I had just enough time to move and stockpile all the dirt, the backhoe developed a slow leak on a solenoid accessory valve, rather than risk it, I used the T-190 bobcat to move all the dirt to the back away from the work, I ran out of light, the next day I had 20 minutes of work left, a crazy dust storm (ND winds) blew through, our development has lots of open areas and the soil is real sandy, thank God I for the bobcat and AC, I stayed clean.
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Just a hole in the ground, it looks pretty small right now:
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Concrete crew setting up the footings and pouring them on a Saturday morning, it rained 1.75 inches after they finished, the footings were ok, I was barely able to get the temporary approach dug out of the ditch before the rain came, I was real lucky!
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Pouring footings, the crew has easy access to the work area, no pump truck is needed. The clouds are heavy with rain...
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Soggy footings, we had a nice soaker come through, it was much needed, the footings were fine.
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I didn't get any pics of the crew setting up and pouring the walls, all was done in a day, the next day the crew came back and stripped the forms. This is what I was left with:
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A little extra frost protection along the inside of the walls before back filling, the walls are 8 inches thick.
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Starting to back fill
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Digging for the water line, I will not have water right away, but the idea is to stub the line in, as well as the sewer so that I won't have to cut and break out a section of floor when I do it later. The water line need to be a minimum of 7 feet deep, we went 8, the soil is sandy, so we had to dig pretty wide.
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That's all the pics I have for now, my brother and my cousin will be out to help me tonight set up the floor to pour, I also have a pal that will help me rough in the sewer pipe for the future toilet and sink, the rough in materials cost less the $100, I purchased 225 in materials, most will go back, I just wanted to have everything necessary, just in case.

I also picked up 630.00 in 1/2 in rebar, 100 20 foot lengths this morining before work. I hope to have enough left for the front drive/apron.
 
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Lovely Bismarck. I grew up there and still have family around. Great place (January/February excluded).

Great start to the build.
 

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Looking good, but why did they dig the footer trench so wide? Around here the footer trench is usually 3' wide and some of the time it is only a foot wide depending on the ground. When they dig it a foot wide, they won't use wood forms and use the ground as forms. If they dig it three foot wide, they go down to frost line and it's wide enough to square the footer up for the blocks, and leaves enough room for them to work in.
 

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Build it tall and it will stop some of the wind from blowing the dust down here... I too am starting a build. it is fun aint it?
 
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mrpowderkeg

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The trench is two bucket widths wide, honestly that's just the way it is done around these parts, it gives the crew space to work. Some places I think the soil could support itself, but not here, it's all sand, I think it would have caved before they got the trench filled. It's gonna be real "Interesting" running the water line from the house next year due to this.
 
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mrpowderkeg

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Last night, I had my brother and two cousins come out and give me a hand setting up the floor of the shop. All that is left is to stub in the sewer plumbing, and the rebar, I should have it ready tonight. The slab will be 4.5 inches thick.

Screeding sand, I guess now most places don't do this anymore, they just get it close with a bobcat and fill the rest with extra cement.
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My brother and cousin trying to figure out why the tamper keeps dying. It's got fuel, it never gave us trouble. After letting them mess with it for a bit, I went over and turned the gas to "ON"
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It was a real nice night, and beautiful sunset, we got no indication of what was to come later that night.
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We ended up working by tractor light.
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Last night we got some severe thunderstorms, I really wasn't worried much, except for perhaps for some washing once the real storms hit, a little bit of hail lots and about an inch of rain. I woke up to this, and it looks like it survived.
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I finished up the floor last night, a few friends came out and we got some plumbing done, and got the rebar set, a little bit of work tonight and it's ready to pour.

The rain didn't hurt the graded floor at all, if anything, it helped it
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Once again it got to be a late night once again, we use to have light until nearly 11pm, now it's about 9 when it gets dark, but we got all of the rebar in and blocked up.
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Check for gas, that is always a good one. I have been fooled by a fuel cut off a few times myself.
 

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I finished up the floor last night, a few friends came out and we got some plumbing done, and got the rebar set, a little bit of work tonight and it's ready to pour.

The rain didn't hurt the graded floor at all, if anything, it helped it
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Once again it got to be a late night once again, we use to have light until nearly 11pm, now it's about 9 when it gets dark, but we got all of the rebar in and blocked up.
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If you have to work past dark, borrow or rent a generator and a couple of flood lights
 
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mrpowderkeg

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Keep making progress, it took exactly one week for us to frame up the walls, it includes one Saturday, and a few week nights after work. We have about 15 hours into it all together. It is all 2x6 construction one 16x10' main door, one man door and two windows. I have some pals coming out and one expert hired to set the rafters this weekend. I'm so glad I was able to find some help, it has made thing go much more quickly. Due to the nights getting shorter, we are often working at night, I had a nice work light, but for some reason, it was not working, change the bulbs nothing... GRR... I don't have time to trouble shoot it, so I purchased two double light worklights from mendards that were on sale for $30 each.

This is the first Thursday night, we got started laying things out and we were able to get one short section of wall stood up
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Two days later on Saturday both long walls were up
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I had a pile of twisted lumber that I had to take back and exchange. I did this on Monday night, sometimes you don't get any actual building done but this is one task that I had to do, this pile was unusable, too bad too I think it is such a waste.
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Tuesday night was easy, myself and two friends were able to frame and stand the rear wall. After that it was beer time.

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Wendesday evening, and this is what I was left with, no actual building was done that night, I had to mow some weeds and clean up a bit. This was a windy day, 40-50 mph gusts, no problem.
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Last night Thursday night, we were able to frame and stand the front wall. We really didn't get framing until 9pm, as I had to go and purchase a few 18' 2x6s because that is what my buddy wanted. This was the only wall we used the forklift on, it worked real well. We got it all done and the hammers stopped at 11:15. I sure hope my neighbors understand. I do not have any help tonight, and I have an "expert" hired to help with the trusses this weekend, so this HAD to get done. If it wasn't for the run to the store we would have been done at probably 10. All in all it took us one week to get the walls up, I think we did alright for a few car buddies working and drinking some beer.
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So this is what I was left with this morning at 7am. We leveled and squared things up as we went, the whole building is exactly 1/16th out of square if you triangulate it. I got a kick out of my framing buddy when he was measuring out for the front wall, he decided to compare the measurements to the rear wall. They were exactly the same.
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your lucky to have good buddies. work looks great! keep it up
 
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It continues on, This past Saturday the 22nd we were to put the rafters trusses up. I hired a guy to help, since he was a pro and worked with my good friend framing homes many years ago. Everyone showed up at about 10 am, except the expert. We move the rafters, and get stuff ready, by 12:30 still no expert. Hmm... We realized we needed more 2x4s for rat runs and bracing, so I get my **** up to the store to get some. I get back an hour and 15 min later, and half of the rafters are up. Expert showed up. Two scaffolds on each side, and two guys handing up the rafters made things go real fast. We use the fork lift on the last few end ones only. WOW I couldn't believe how smooth things went. Yesterday on Sunday I got over half the walls sheeted up by myself.

This is what I saw when I got back from the hardware store:
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By 6pm we were already a few beers deep cleaning up tools. I've only seen one compressor like the one in the picture, it's an Air King, continuous run, the motor never shuts off, but it has some sort of bypass that somehow regulates the pressure. This is a mid 70s model I think...
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Just another shot of the area cleaned up a bit.
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Things have been progressing along, slowly, but that can be expected since I am doing a majority of the work myself. It is now shingled, wrapped, the windows installed, the utility trench dug, gas, electric, and extra conduit installed and backfilled, and the main garage door hung. Oh we also got the first snow of the year, it allowed me some time to get to the other shop to work on some odds and ends. The ground is now about froze, I'm glad to have gotten all the necessary earth work and digging completed. Winter construction is now in full swing. I did manage to score on some galvanized steel for the interior walls. I should be getting it in a few weeks.

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The Backside, this was after one night installing sheathing. Most work has been done at night after my day job. Shingling at night is an interesting task, and I'm glad it's done.
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The forklift has been a God Send,
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View from the roof.
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Snow! Only about 8 inches, but the drifting made for some deep snow, It was all melted in two weeks time.
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This past weekend, Thanksgiving weekend, I was able to get the utilities trenched and installed and back filled. The weekend before, I was able to get it wrapped, and yesterday I hung the garage door.
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