near future-Form and Function garage build-thinking out loud

[mrbill55]

Awaiting approvals by the county for an attached, stick built, 30X50 garage (10 foot ceilings) for the house we are currently remodeling. House already has a small two car garage (16D x 19W converted car port). I'm not planning to build a showplace, nor do I feel the need to keep up with the "Jones" so to speak. This is for our small car collection, my daily driver Expedition, and my Trailex car trailer (have 4 convertibles in a 27x27 two car garage now). Planning on two 10x7 or 10x8 garage doors (HOA would not approved 1-18' or 1-20' door due to neighborhood aesthetics, no need to start down the anti HOA path, I can see where they are coming from and feel it's a reasonable request, as this was their only hang up for the whole project.

This is what I have, in my mind, so far:
100 amp sub panel (no heavy machinery, just simple plug in and air compressor for this space)
4 foot, 4 bulb, LED light fixtures (3 or 4 rows of 3)
Electrical outlets every 5-6 feet per code
Additional electrical outlets at Cabinet/counter level, area yet to be determined
3- double hung windows
2- man doors (1 for entrance to house, 1 at left side, rear corner for egress into backyard)
Full insulation
Full, fire rated sheetrock
Combination of brick on front, 4-5 feet up, Hardieboard for the rest
Two lights on front
One electrical outlet under peak so that I can add "Ring" camera/light where it cannot be easily disturbed

Items still under discussion:
Flooring upgrades (sealing, coating, etc)

Items unknown (to me)
How long after concrete is poured can it be sealed or coated?


Questions, comments, additional ideas, I'm all ears (eyes).

Thanks in advance,

Bill S.

 

[vavet]

I think 30 days is the general rule of thumb for concrete before sealing.
Have you thought about HVAC? I'd give up a lot of things before I gave up my garage mini-split. Jussayin. Even if it's a "not right now" thing, make sure you include that in your electrical planning.
Instead of the typical household double hung windows, I put transom windows up high in the long wall of my 24 x 32. I have 3 of them in each wall, 4' x 2', IIRC. I told the GC to just put them as high as he could. It gets me the light I want, without losing privacy/security or the wall space to hang things.

 

[dcg9381]

How long after concrete is poured can it be sealed or coated?

It's usually about 30-days here, but it's hot here. Head over to the flooring section. I believe you can basically tape down some plastic over the concrete as a "moisture test".

Polyurea is now my go-to for shop (and concrete residential) flooring. Easier than epoxy, cheaper than epoxy. Some will claim better than epoxy.

Connect the shop to the house for internet (cat 5/6). Modern security cameras are PoE (power over ethernet) - it's cheap to drop in now. I know Ring is WiFi.

I found that in almost all shops of that size and above, I want two sub-panels. One for each side of the garage in case I have to change electrical. I put conduit in the foundation, as it's a lot cheaper to go under to connect the sub-panel than it is to go over or around.

I'd double your outlets per 5-6 feet. You can do 2 circuits on 12/3 with a shared neutral. I alternate the outlets on 2 breakers.

Were are your 240V outlets?

I think your window design is spot on. Helps keep the tax man out, if you're in a property tax state.

 

[billconner]

No idea of your lot but an overhead door into back yard can be useful. Just a thought.

 

[mrbill55]

No idea of your lot but an overhead door into back yard can be useful. Just a thought.

Thought about that, but rejected it as it's just not needed as there is more than enough room to drive around the side and back of the garage, truck and trailer included. No final landscape plan (see earlier post on landscape thread), but it will include access for equipment for future work we plan to complete in the backyard.

It's usually about 30-days here, but it's hot here. Head over to the flooring section. I believe you can basically tape down some plastic over the concrete as a "moisture test".

Polyurea is now my go-to for shop (and concrete residential) flooring. Easier than epoxy, cheaper than epoxy. Some will claim better than epoxy.

Connect the shop to the house for internet (cat 5/6). Modern security cameras are PoE (power over ethernet) - it's cheap to drop in now. I know Ring is WiFi.

I found that in almost all shops of that size and above, I want two sub-panels. One for each side of the garage in case I have to change electrical. I put conduit in the foundation, as it's a lot cheaper to go under to connect the sub-panel than it is to go over or around.

I'd double your outlets per 5-6 feet. You can do 2 circuits on 12/3 with a shared neutral. I alternate the outlets on 2 breakers.

Were are your 240V outlets?

I think your window design is spot on. Helps keep the tax man out, if you're in a property tax state.

30 days, gotcha, I'll do a search a little later. I also plan on some WiFi extenders, no need for CAT 5/6 as it's all wireless for me these days. Internal security is covered, I'd rather not advertise how over the web. I'm funny like that. More than enough electrical for that area, most of what we have is gas fired or rechargable, battery minders for 4 of the 6 or 7 cars already factored in to the electrical plans, same goes for the basic parking plans for the previously mentioned. Have space to run whatever I need over and above the finished ceiling, will have engineered, floored storage space (planned) above, so plenty of access down the road. 240V is in the 9x19 work room attached to the existing (converted) old car port. ...Again, form and function....Best part of the new garage, it's not considered living space, so no hit from the taxman, who was not happy when we told them the 9x19 unheated workspace they taxed the old owners on was also not finished living space.

 

[mrbill55]

I think 30 days is the general rule of thumb for concrete before sealing.
Have you thought about HVAC? I'd give up a lot of things before I gave up my garage mini-split. Jussayin. Even if it's a "not right now" thing, make sure you include that in your electrical planning.
Instead of the typical household double hung windows, I put transom windows up high in the long wall of my 24 x 32. I have 3 of them in each wall, 4' x 2', IIRC. I told the GC to just put them as high as he could. It gets me the light I want, without losing privacy/security or the wall space to hang things.

Not certain what happened to the multi quote, however, yes, great minds think alike.....Awaiting final sign off from the building inspector and will be working with my HVAC guys on adding it in when we replace the existing, twin, gas fired HVAC systems that are just limping along until after construction is finished....


Bill S.