refried
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why not be the person with the tools and knowledge, if your giving away jobs because you don't have the propper tools your giving money to someone that could be in your pocket.
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sberry
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I am going to agree with this. I asked a friend who is a lead xray tech for large hospital about surgical skill. I saw some work in video that was sub par to Norms cabnit chisel finsih work by far, I suspect many have higher failure rates and problems simply due to lack of detail skill of a craftsman, just cause you took the class and squeak by you got the licence dont make you talented.
I called her when assessing a back surgeon, she commented about crude work, it has to be a factor at that level. I really would like Norm doing my joint replacement,,,
sberry
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I will further agree with kossuth that its 95% in the brain trained with experience and repetition. If someone could beat up real bad on the usefuless of a 12 inch 430 channelok in the back pocket a couple of generations of plumbers would have found it? Especially at the cost, 22$ maybe retail, on sale less?
A dentist probably uses good tools but every wrench slinger aint a dentist and only half are near average and a huge portion not very well trained, learned hand to mouth or never really had any talent to begin with, it was a job. We also have some of the finest in the world, not all of them use the best tools.
One of the best hands on mechanic I know has about enough stuff to bring 50$ at a yard sale discounting a couple of meters he got for near nothing.
A dentist probably uses good tools but every wrench slinger aint a dentist and only half are near average and a huge portion not very well trained, learned hand to mouth or never really had any talent to begin with, it was a job. We also have some of the finest in the world, not all of them use the best tools.
One of the best hands on mechanic I know has about enough stuff to bring 50$ at a yard sale discounting a couple of meters he got for near nothing.
I have that one too and it's a steal for the price...especially with lifetime warranty. Just don't get the ratcheting one as it's a piece of junk. It's supposed to be on sale right now for $9.99.
refried
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If your a skilled craftsman you'll want the best tools available, Sure you could rebuild an engine with stretched out sockets and sloppy worn out ratchets but why would you want to?
X3. Best does not equal most expensive but I guess bragging rights are often more important than functionality.
dirtydogintex
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hahahaha!!!
What flavor's the koolaid today? Many are partaking early.... even for a Saturday!
sounds nasty....
Since it's your money being spent, that Snappy 1/2 drive 24" breaker bar for $57 will be last one you'll ever need to buy.
I've got a shorter 1/2 drive breakover Craftsman and it gets job done but 24" would be much better.
I've got a shorter 1/2 drive breakover Craftsman and it gets job done but 24" would be much better.
sberry
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The story isnt how good the good is or how bad the bad is but the avg has got so good. Doesnt cost hardly anymore to make good steel, why set up another plant and standards to save 20 a ton divided across a few hundred wrench sets. Walmart can find a cheaper wrench but they cant find one as good as the stanley for less.
jjjrmx5
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If doing engine stand work or non-obstructed work, the 24" long 1/2". In tighter quarters, then the 18" long 1/2". You can always slop on an adapter for 3/8" sockets.
In reality, as is the GJ motto, you STILL need both. LOL.
Or maybe a 15" and the 24"long .
Too big is still too big and too small is still too small.
Always has been. Always will be.
Ha.
In reality, as is the GJ motto, you STILL need both. LOL.
Or maybe a 15" and the 24"long .
Too big is still too big and too small is still too small.
Always has been. Always will be.
Ha.
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Because those are the tools that are available to you. Like I said the tool is a very small fraction of the equation. If a skilled user realizes the tool is subpar for the job he will replace it with the appropriate tool. The tool does not make the tech or in the case of your example the doctor, their knowledge does.
dirtydogintex
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If the truth be known when I see a dr/lawyer/candlestick maker w/obscenely expensive waiting room stuff
I know I'm in the wrong place because
either
their clients are paying for the stuff thru inflated charges
or
they themself lack responsibility (fiscal in this case).... and that lack might carry over to their areas of expertise!!
Same goes for blue collar service folk.... esp blue collar service folk!!
I know I'm in the wrong place because
either
their clients are paying for the stuff thru inflated charges
or
they themself lack responsibility (fiscal in this case).... and that lack might carry over to their areas of expertise!!
Same goes for blue collar service folk.... esp blue collar service folk!!
sberry
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It seems to me tha assumed demands are higher than they really are, I cleaned 2 carbs today,, well,, supervised it ha but used a simple phillips 1 $ screwdriver and a crecent for spark plug wrench. A razor knife too, 4$.
I dont get where we got to use worn out sloppy tools. I have to serve a load a little higher than myself on some days on rare occasions outfit a crew so I need enough to meet demand, quality not such an issue but there isnt a tool in my box not service worthy. It would be removed or replaced if it couldnt meet the demand or its quality not obvious.
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sberry
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I seen a lot of the best do the most work with the fewest tools. I can perform 95% of the same functions working out of my pickup truck as I can from my shop where I got 30 times the tools. As I mention earlier, one of my Buds a career guy had very little hard line stuff, just what he needed a piece at a time on occasion. I could put it all in a couple 5 gallon pails easy, maybe 1. There was a point he quit, only rarely needed something new. I see guys in 60's still buying that stuff,, why,,, oh,,, so I can sell it when I retire, that makes sense.
JerseyBoatBuilder
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Keeping on topic with Snap On breaker bars I would get the 24"
I have a 12" 18" and a 24" in 1/2" drive... and in the five years I have had all three
whenever I have needed to use a breaker bar I have used the 24" 100% of the time.
I also have a 12" 3/8" drive bar and I have used it, but I'm just to careful with my tools
and I have no doubt that a 3/8" drive ratchet would have handled the job just fine.
As for the make, Buy a Snappy or a Harbour Freight or a Diamond Encrusted Fendi
complete with a Tiara and removable vanity mirror... As long as it's 24" and it makes
you happy and proud to own and use, buy it, post pics and screw all the haters.
whenever I have needed to use a breaker bar I have used the 24" 100% of the time.
I also have a 12" 3/8" drive bar and I have used it, but I'm just to careful with my tools
and I have no doubt that a 3/8" drive ratchet would have handled the job just fine.
As for the make, Buy a Snappy or a Harbour Freight or a Diamond Encrusted Fendi
complete with a Tiara and removable vanity mirror... As long as it's 24" and it makes
you happy and proud to own and use, buy it, post pics and screw all the haters.
creativecars
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To the OP. A 1/2 breaker is used when you want the most leverage for removing something tight or stuck. Go with the 24" for the most leverage. A breaker is not the most efficient tool for engine work.
When pulling an engine apart the 1/2 impact is the tool to use for efficiency. For re-assembly 3/8 ratchets and 1/2 torque wrench.
Just like spell check... air tools are your friend... used them wisely.
When pulling an engine apart the 1/2 impact is the tool to use for efficiency. For re-assembly 3/8 ratchets and 1/2 torque wrench.
Just like spell check... air tools are your friend... used them wisely.
refried
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How long is that $.99 philips screwdriver going to last befor the tip is worn? If it strips the head of a screw that now has to be drilled out and waste a half hour, thats costing money. Using an adjustable wrench is another sign of a lazy mechanic, I would never do it and would never want anyone working for me using one. use the propper wrench.
Chadwilliam1
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get the matco 30" breaker bar.
Exactly. I sometimes do work in Doctor offices and hospitals. Sometimes I stunned by the opulent decor paid for by the patients, insurance companies, and the rest of us. I remember fondly of when America was more focused on getting the job done correctly and less on Bi
mmers and Lexuses.
creativecars
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I agree, if I saw a mechanic using these I would lose all respect for them..
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682242&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
refried
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I was watching one of those stupid restoration shows on tv one day and the guy was using an adjustable wrench backwards, I'd **** if I saw one of my guys do that and have it shown on tv.
btw those are the only adjustable wrenches I own
btw those are the only adjustable wrenches I own
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I agree, if I saw a mechanic using these I would lose all respect for them..
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682242&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Lol. Just used a monkey wrench the other day but it wasn't SO! I was adjust the feet on a kiosk and the adjusting nuts varied. The MW was the right tool for the job.
The kiosk was from Sweden.Dustin Echoes
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Yeah, the ratcheting one *****. However, it does fix itself to be better. Once the ratchet head seizes up, it's a great fixed head abuse bar!
dirtydogintex
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half an hour w/all those fancy dan, high dollar tools?
goodness....
oh yeah - just exactly what are those imported (Sweden iirc) SO adjustable wrenches for?
fabbing fake wrought iron fences? straightening tool house sheet metal? self defense?
refried
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how long would it take you to drill a stainless screw from an aluminium housing in the field or on a boat?
Last time I used the adjustables was for repairing an old wooden fence and adjusting a plow, great for the car or tractor toolbox. 100+ year old rusty bolts aren't always the size they should be.
Last time I used the adjustables was for repairing an old wooden fence and adjusting a plow, great for the car or tractor toolbox. 100+ year old rusty bolts aren't always the size they should be.
dirtydogintex
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Not very long w/a decent screw-out depending how far away I parked from the scene of the crime.
.... but actually if that ss screw got fouled up by the 99 cent screwdriver w/the worn tip, isn't it more of an operator error than a mechanical failure?
Has anyone advocated using worn out/broken tools?
If so I missed it....
.... but actually if that ss screw got fouled up by the 99 cent screwdriver w/the worn tip, isn't it more of an operator error than a mechanical failure?
Has anyone advocated using worn out/broken tools?
If so I missed it....
Chadwilliam1
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Bikes&Bowties
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I would like this if it was a social networking site haha
MDI09
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I have been putting a twenty or fifty or a hundred dollar bill aside every paycheck for years. If I am feeling low or need a good laugh. I go to the Snap On website and look at their prices. To each their own. I have used a Allen box wrench on the end of a ratchet for breaker power for years.
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sberry
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I agree, if I saw a mechanic using these I would lose all respect for them..
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=682242&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Where did you guys learn to do this work? Anyone figure a boot on a snowmobile carb requires a 50$ screwdriver? I got to wonder what kind of mechanic jumps to the conclusion that a 40$ driver makes him smarter? If thats all it took to do it then we should take out loans for shiny stuff anf become genius overnight.
haha. Im sorry you feel this way but I had a feeling the majority would help me, and they did that exactly. I will for sure be getting the 24". Someone mentioned about if its gonna be engine stand work, Yes it is. So like you guys said 24 would be perfect. Again Im sorry I was helped?
By far the majority of you have helped me for sure, but some of you are saying buy cheaper like HF and save my money. I do not feel this way at all. Save my money for what? I'm in school doing my best, I'm only one out of my friends and anybody in the program with me that got straight A's last semester. I worked my **** off, I didn't just "get by" like most of the people in the program. I even read a motorcycle engine book on my winter break. Im not just gonna be a yahoo with expensive tools, I'll have the knowledge to back my tools up. I strive to be as professional as I can even as a student. I cant wait to make my Snap On order, I earned it. Instead of spending $1000 (no exaggeration, he told me he needs $1000, and has done this before when he didn't have a job or anything so that money has previously came out of his parents wallet) on a rave (edc for those that are familiar) weekend like my good friend and neighbor, for the rave, hotel, and drugs; Id love to instead spend 3-500 of my own money on tools that I need for my future career, and that I will have for the rest of my life. I love tools and have since I was about 10. My good buddy in the auto program with me says that I have a problem lol called me a tool nut. I can, and will pass my tools on to my kid or grandkids. My buddy can't pass down 1 weekend to his kids lol. So thank you very much who have positive input, I really appreciate it. You guys are always a help. But if you suggested save my money lol sorry but I don't agree. If Im gonna go broke, which will happen no matter what as long as Im still a student, Id rather have a bunch of good tools instead of coming down off ecstasy lol. My parents didn't buy my textbooks, they didn't buy the car Im driving. I dont, and will try not to have snap On credit. Only buy what I have the money for. I think I know what I'm doing lol. Thank you to all who helped. No idea thread would turn into that kind of discussion. Even people who said save my money, thank you for looking out for me, I appreciate that.
haha pretty much what I was thinking! but like some have said 18"" is more versatile. Wanted to make sure which is more worth it or what everyone preferred personally. Thanks man
I had the 18" version of it, broke the ratcheting mechanism 3 times (swapped at the store) and the third time I said screw it, give me store credit I don't want it anymore. I had the 24" already and an 18" craftsman so it's not like I needed another fixed bar, I wanted it for the ratcheting in tighter spots.
sberry
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This is the internet and this is a thread, it could have ended just as wello with a pat on the head and an atta boy. Its a question of emotion and reasoning. Being the stufent is a good point, no time like the present and you seem to understand you want to treat yourself to some nice stuff and thats ok, as you said, you deserve it and that is the VALUE here.
If we compare tools and dollars its another question. Words like all, every, bad all broken,,, those guys on the lube rack blow up etc,,, I would like him to really count, throw all the blown up tools in a box for a year and see, this is in a tire rack etc, even long enough you going to break a good tool, everything has a duty cycle, probably no more highly used socket than a 19 or 3/4, one under so much repetitious stress, millions and millions and millions of hits a day, wonder what the actual statistical rate of failure is? What it is per user? Most people do not break but a % or so maybe and thats in sockets and this increases in the heat and beat world a bit but broken tools are rare statistically and while there are some things I got one of a 19 isnt it. It will be the one socket in the whole set gets worn out.
I can say this as a tool, we have stress tested the 10$ 24 inch bar, if I bought a new one would reef on it to test it but we have used it in service, lay a 100 dollar bar next to it in the dark, would have complete faith in either. I have had as many failures new in box with sockets, maybe a truck brand stress tests theirs, that may be a plus, I would say its a persentage point in Cman, maybe another 1/2 in service and less than that once tested and into service, replaced never failed again.
Years ago they really slipped, as a matter of fact 2 in my 3/4 drive, maybe 3, I bought a couple big sets in the 80's, they were not so good, I think they might be better now.
If we compare tools and dollars its another question. Words like all, every, bad all broken,,, those guys on the lube rack blow up etc,,, I would like him to really count, throw all the blown up tools in a box for a year and see, this is in a tire rack etc, even long enough you going to break a good tool, everything has a duty cycle, probably no more highly used socket than a 19 or 3/4, one under so much repetitious stress, millions and millions and millions of hits a day, wonder what the actual statistical rate of failure is? What it is per user? Most people do not break but a % or so maybe and thats in sockets and this increases in the heat and beat world a bit but broken tools are rare statistically and while there are some things I got one of a 19 isnt it. It will be the one socket in the whole set gets worn out.
I can say this as a tool, we have stress tested the 10$ 24 inch bar, if I bought a new one would reef on it to test it but we have used it in service, lay a 100 dollar bar next to it in the dark, would have complete faith in either. I have had as many failures new in box with sockets, maybe a truck brand stress tests theirs, that may be a plus, I would say its a persentage point in Cman, maybe another 1/2 in service and less than that once tested and into service, replaced never failed again.
Years ago they really slipped, as a matter of fact 2 in my 3/4 drive, maybe 3, I bought a couple big sets in the 80's, they were not so good, I think they might be better now.
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Chadwilliam1
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op I think you deserve both.
thedeatons
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I use Wilde. Made in USA, without tool truck prices.
There is something to be said for a tool truck warranty though, assuming they warranty it without question.
James
There is something to be said for a tool truck warranty though, assuming they warranty it without question.
James
I didn't want to be the first to mention it, but I really have grown to like my Harbor Freight breaker bar. I would like to replace it with a Snap On but really I see no need.
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There is a shot with a 72" cheater pipe I used to remove some super stubborn axle nuts. I thought for sure this would be the end but it is holding together nice with no play in the head.
Anyway to answer your question the 24" would be most useful especially if the cars you are working on are on a lift.
There is a shot with a 72" cheater pipe I used to remove some super stubborn axle nuts. I thought for sure this would be the end but it is holding together nice with no play in the head.
Anyway to answer your question the 24" would be most useful especially if the cars you are working on are on a lift.
I van putski
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No doubt. Especially after this thread. Poor kid had to read through a bunch of hf ******** to find the real replies to the question he asked.