coleman10
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I put in two of these. They have a wider colon in comparison to others and a quick, strong rated flush. I highly recommend them.
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I put in two of these. They have a wider colon in comparison to others and a quick, strong rated flush. I highly recommend them.
Super Mech
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I've got one of these. The thing is awesome. I swear you could flush elephant **** with this thing and not have a problem!
Notgrownup
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Elongated extra tall commodes are the best... I hate those little stubby hole toilets that I feel like I am sitting on the freaking floor...Mine are American Standard. fairly basic models and I **** some pretty good log cabins, never choked it yet...LOL...
Notgrownup
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Talk about a crappy conversation..
If you don't need an expensive toilet, I replaced one of mine with an Aquasource AT1203-00 from Lowe's for about $100. Average water use is 1.28 gal. or less on average per flush. I decided on it because of the Consumer Reports rating. It came in just behind the $300 to $400+ units. Has worked great over the last several years.
leadfoot415
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FYI did a quick search on zoro... they do carry Toto and American standard brand toilets and supposedly are having a big % off flash sale on monday - free shipping too. The toto drake 2 comes to significantly less than amazon, with a theoretical 30 or even better 40% off.
B&H
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Now here's a subject I know a little about - I haven't met a toilet that I couldn't plug, period. Admittedly I haven't used all of the brands listed in this thread, but what I have found works the best is a Mansfield power flush.
Pros - looks good, have only plugged it 2 or 3 times.
Cons - noisey, like all power flushes.
All power flushes are not made the same even though they may have the same Sloan Flush Mate II (or whatever it's called) vessel. The toilet in our basement is a power flush but it's not a Mansfield and is a breeze to plug. Hell, I've plugged rest-stop power flushes before lol.
I'd like to try a Kohler or Toto in my upstairs bathroom. Not sure the golf ball test is a valid comparison or not.
Pros - looks good, have only plugged it 2 or 3 times.
Cons - noisey, like all power flushes.
All power flushes are not made the same even though they may have the same Sloan Flush Mate II (or whatever it's called) vessel. The toilet in our basement is a power flush but it's not a Mansfield and is a breeze to plug. Hell, I've plugged rest-stop power flushes before lol.
I'd like to try a Kohler or Toto in my upstairs bathroom. Not sure the golf ball test is a valid comparison or not.
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Seriously, a google search on your exact phrase "flush a dozen golf balls" brought all the results you could hope for.
This one is what we put into our bathrooms during the recent remodel. It has one of the best distances pushing matter in a level pipe. It just passed the Cimmaron or perhaps it was the other way around? But I couldn't get a deal like I got on the Drake II, so we ran with them, good units, for sure.
The golf ball "trick" is just a marketing ploy. I want to see an ad where someone puts 2 lbs of peanut butter and a half roll of TP in the toilet. If that doesn't clog, I'll run with it.
Anyhow, here's a little trick to get a bit more water in the Drake II. Replace the gray flapper with the blue flapper. You'll get a bit more water due to the flapper being for a smaller tank and having a lower profile. I like the flush a bit better with the flapper switched. They haven't clogged, yet. The toilets from the 40s were clogging regularly.
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PugetDude
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I installed 4 of these on my last remodel; doing 2 more at the AZ house next week. Can't say enough good about them. I've never had to use a plunger, and certain members of my household are heavy hitters... but none of them eat golf balls.
J4nss(WNY)
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Gerber Avalanche,Mansfield Summit or Kohler Cimmaron. I sell all three and they all flush great. I have 2 Gerbers's and 1 Mansfield in my house. My closet auger is rusting away in my garage.
B&H
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B&H
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The problem I see with some toilet designs is after the swan neck, the next obstacle is where the swan neck transitions into the actual drain in the floor. The "regular" Mansfield that's upstairs at my home doesn't have a smooth transition, and my logs will go up and around the neck and get stuck vertically on the floor of the fixture rather than head for the drain.
Flushing golf balls, marbles, dog food, and all of the other things really isn't a valid test. In the American Standard video, the kid's clay really needs to be one solid hunk and then I'd be impressed. If one of my logs lays sideways across the hole, sometimes the paper and water will flush away but the log doesn't move. This happened at the shop once with the Mansfield power flush and it took 3 flushes before it could jostle the log to line up with the hole. I thought about fishing the log out and throwing it over the fence.
We are getting ready to remodel the upstairs bath at home and will be in search of a new non-power flush toilet to replace the fairly new regular Mansfield. It will need to have the largest hole, smoothest transition and least restrictive entrance to the drain pipe w/o any sort of log-catching ledge. Any suggestion?
Flushing golf balls, marbles, dog food, and all of the other things really isn't a valid test. In the American Standard video, the kid's clay really needs to be one solid hunk and then I'd be impressed. If one of my logs lays sideways across the hole, sometimes the paper and water will flush away but the log doesn't move. This happened at the shop once with the Mansfield power flush and it took 3 flushes before it could jostle the log to line up with the hole. I thought about fishing the log out and throwing it over the fence.
We are getting ready to remodel the upstairs bath at home and will be in search of a new non-power flush toilet to replace the fairly new regular Mansfield. It will need to have the largest hole, smoothest transition and least restrictive entrance to the drain pipe w/o any sort of log-catching ledge. Any suggestion?
Hpozzuoli
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Toto is what I recommend to customers and also what most customers ask for.
I have 2 American Standard right height elongated fronts I think they are cadets, bought them at plumbing supply house. Great toilets, might get a few skid marks but they flush
B&H
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Here is the problem on many toilets, at least for me. Note the swan neck. Those last 2 turns aren't worth a ****..
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mrodgers
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Since you state you sell them, I have a toilet question. We have problems with our oldest who always clogs the toilet. I put the toilet in 14 years ago when I bought the house and had no idea what I was doing with a house.
So, looking at toilets now, I see 12 and 10 inch rough ins. My bolts measure 11 inches to the wall. The toilet is really tight up against the wall. Now I'm thinking I have a 12 inch rough-in toilet forced into a 10 inch rough-in. Does that make sense? I think maybe the wax ring is forced off a bit and "stuff" is getting hung up at the toilet/drain transition.
The story of replacing the toilet back then is I had it pulled up and the tank and bowl separated putting a new floor down. I was bolting it all back together at 8:30 at night with my wife 8.5 months pregnant begging me to hurry, lol. With only 1 bathroom, you don't leave an 8.5 month pregnant wife without a toilet very long.
I hear a crack and the bowl falls apart in 2 pieces. I look up at my wife wide eyed, "when does Lowes close?" It's 8:30 and Lowes closes at 9 and we're 45 minutes away. Needless to say, I was glad there wasn't any cops about. Took me 20 minutes to drive 40 miles to Lowes. Got back, toilet installed, wife used it, and 2 weeks later the one who clogs it every single time was born.
K'ledgeBldr
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The FUNNY part of this whole conversation-
Why do you guys put "firewood" in a toilet?
Why do you guys put "firewood" in a toilet?
volleyball
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Some people just eat more roughage so they have logs instead of twigs.
15 yo toilets were early low flushers and not as well designed. Well worth replacing.
I was helping someone replace their bath floor and I made them pull the toilet to do it right. They were so happy as the toilet was next to the sink and a kids toothbrush was across the bottom causing log jams.
15 yo toilets were early low flushers and not as well designed. Well worth replacing.
I was helping someone replace their bath floor and I made them pull the toilet to do it right. They were so happy as the toilet was next to the sink and a kids toothbrush was across the bottom causing log jams.
familytruckster
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Eljer Diplomat Compact Elongated Complete for about $180 at Menards. I had it for 2 years now and has never clogged. It is a standard height space saver and has impressed the heck out of me.
Lassen Forge
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If that's considered "firewood" I'm a little leery about their barbecue.
Just saying...
We replaced our old 60's commode with one of the new AS low capacity powerflushers - My memories of these low flow rigs (other than being a "squatlet") were you'd have to flush 3 times to get it to work once, but this one runs on 1 1/4 gallons and I don't think it's been clogged up once. I was told it's some engineering trick, but the real secret is the flapper is huge.
What I want to know is who decided that toilets now need to be so damn close to the ground? To get a "normal" height seat and tank that matched up with the oldone we had to special order a extra height "handicapped" model - everything else reminded me of something I recalled from some elementary school...
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Slednut
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I have installed all brands and would say this one is the best IMO.
ArkTinkerer
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I read comments here about "powerflush" but that is a brand name mechanism like this:
http://www.powerflushusa.com/
Which is, frankly, not what I believe most of you have in mind.
When I think of powerful flush I think of something like this:
http://www.flushmate.com/
Which adds some pressure to the water stream.
http://www.powerflushusa.com/
Which is, frankly, not what I believe most of you have in mind.
When I think of powerful flush I think of something like this:
http://www.flushmate.com/
Which adds some pressure to the water stream.
Dan in Pasadena
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When I remodeled my bathroom in '07 I had the same decision to make. Online search said Toto was five stars. It was expensive but it has never clogged. Works outstanding.
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I bought two of the American Standard Champion toilets when they first came out. They truly will flush anything you can get in them. The early design I had eventually had problems, called them and they sent two complete tank assemblies to replace them. These lasted about 2 - 3 years before they begin giving problems again.Water wouldn't shut off or leaking from tank into bowl etc. Called them again and they sent two tanks with completely redesigned works inside them. These have been trouble free so far three years later. The new design seems to have the problems with water flow etc worked out. They have honored the warrenty any time I have called and have not required any paperwork as that has been lost a long time ago. I would buy them again if I needed too. They work great and cannot be clogged. They do not seem to rinse the upper sections of the bowl as well as some others but never clog was a higher priority on my list than having to clean them more often.
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How about this one ?
eastbaysubaru
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Toto FTW! Bought one for our master bath off of Amazon and haven't regretted it once. Very nice unit but also a bit more than your standard fair. I figured that it will be the last toilet I buy (for that bathroom). No clogs in 3+ years.
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eastbaysubaru
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I had a roughly 20 year old toilet and was concerned about the proximity to the wall in the back as the old toilet was really close. The Toto toilet that I replaced it with has more than two inches of additional clearance even though the rough-in dimensions indicated it would be a tighter fit. This is the one that I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012HBQK8/?tag=atomicindus08-20
-Brian
Stevie-Ray
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I have to second that. Last toilet I bought was an AS, a 2 piece model, that just happened to be cheap, yet tall, since my wife is handicapped. It's size was always nice, but using anything but Northern tissue would plug it up. Got to be a pain, but it's at the previous house now. When these croak, I'll be looking into Toto, or at least a better grade of Kohler, now that I'm at my final house.
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Sorry to those who posted positively about the American Standard Champion 4 MAX Tall Height Elongated 1.28 gpf. But rather than champion a particular brand and model, I'll say that everyone should stay far away from anything American Standard, and especially this model.
Flooring guys break an Eljer taking it off to work on the new floor. I run to Home Depot, never thinking to ask my best friend who is a Master Plumber for 40 yrs (many states away from here.) Home Depot guy points me to the AS Champion 4.
Get it home and the bottom is warped. Exchange it for one confirmed in store as not warped. Next day, first day of usage, I notice serious overflow in the tank. See the blue plastic around the water valve is defective.
I call my frIend who proceeds to tell me what make and model of toilet it is when I tell him the problems. His family has owned a wholesale plumbing supply store for 50+ yrs. His Dad, and now brother refuse to carry AS products due to very poor quality and non-existent customer service.
He recommended the Kohler Cimmeron and it works fine. He has a very positive view of Toto too.
I just took a look at Home Depot's review of the AS toilet. Read through some of the one and two star reviews. They sounded very familiar to me.
Kohler should consider making their Cimmeron model the "Al Bundy single flusher"
Flooring guys break an Eljer taking it off to work on the new floor. I run to Home Depot, never thinking to ask my best friend who is a Master Plumber for 40 yrs (many states away from here.) Home Depot guy points me to the AS Champion 4.
Get it home and the bottom is warped. Exchange it for one confirmed in store as not warped. Next day, first day of usage, I notice serious overflow in the tank. See the blue plastic around the water valve is defective.
I call my frIend who proceeds to tell me what make and model of toilet it is when I tell him the problems. His family has owned a wholesale plumbing supply store for 50+ yrs. His Dad, and now brother refuse to carry AS products due to very poor quality and non-existent customer service.
He recommended the Kohler Cimmeron and it works fine. He has a very positive view of Toto too.
I just took a look at Home Depot's review of the AS toilet. Read through some of the one and two star reviews. They sounded very familiar to me.
Kohler should consider making their Cimmeron model the "Al Bundy single flusher"
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JDMopar
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We have a park model camper that is set up permanently in Myrtle Beach. The toilet doesn't clog, but it takes FOREVER to flush. You have to stand and hold the handle down until you see the water circling in the bowl. It does this with clear fresh water, or a load of logs....lol. We did a remodel after we bought the place, and I reused the toilet. I thought the fresh water line feeding the tank may have been the problem, as it was a 1/4 inch line when we bought the place. I moved the toilet to a different location, and ran a 1/2 inch line. Also a new fast fill valve. Exact same flush as before! 
Would upgrading to a version mentioned above with a 3 inch hole make it flush quicker? Sorry for the hijack.
Would upgrading to a version mentioned above with a 3 inch hole make it flush quicker? Sorry for the hijack.SMKS
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Unless it's being caused by a venting problem or something, I think a newer toilet would fix your issue.
The supply water line doesn't determine how well a toilet flushes, unless you're talking about some of the power flush models.
On most toilets, the flush is powered by gravity as the water in the tank flows down into the bowl. A bad supply line would mostly just make them refill really slowly after a flush and take a long time to be ready to flush again.
Modern designs and testing have made good-quality new toilets vastly outperform old toilets, even the older high-flow models that used 3.5 to 5 gallons per flush.
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I would say that the above poster opinion on AS is just that, his opinion. I personally would spend my money on the AS, and I have probably sold and installed more toilets than most.
Notgrownup
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I also have American Standard 1.6 g and for 12 years I have never had an issue other than replacing the rubber flapper...