Thats almost exactly what one of the guys told me he would do. I have all the plates so they could pretty much lay out the entire building.
I really liked this guy..too bad his is done for the winter
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Thats almost exactly what one of the guys told me he would do. I have all the plates so they could pretty much lay out the entire building.
I really liked this guy..too bad his is done for the winter
bigman68
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I work for a concrete supply co in Fort Wayne and know most of the concrete guy's here, the Amish are cheep, despite what people think there work is horrible, they want to add a bunch of water to the mix to make it easier to place because most people do not know the difference. PM me and I can give you a list of guy's to call.
PM sent....thanks!
nehog
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When we did the cement work for my 30x60, I set all the bolts myself from the drawing in my building plans. Took me about a day, I drilled ply pieces with holes in the right spots. Then once the contractor was done with the basic framing, I (and they) put on the lip formers (mine has a 1.5x1.5 lip) and after than I did the bolt plates. The bolt plates then got the J bolts dropped into the holes, and the contractor the next AM did the rebar work to anchor it all together.
In the end everything worked out 100%. He was glad that he was not responsible for the bolts and I was willing to assume the responsibility. Don't forget to coat the exposed threads with (cheap) heavy grease before they pour.
BTW, on my building (IIRC) there were only two different layouts so making the plates for the bolts was easy. I used (again IIRC) 1/2" ply, probably CDX.
In the end everything worked out 100%. He was glad that he was not responsible for the bolts and I was willing to assume the responsibility. Don't forget to coat the exposed threads with (cheap) heavy grease before they pour.
BTW, on my building (IIRC) there were only two different layouts so making the plates for the bolts was easy. I used (again IIRC) 1/2" ply, probably CDX.
southernfriedcj
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That is a $2,592. Job around here.
It includes forming it up, digging the footing, supplying the rebar/plastic/concrete, and pouring/finishing.
You would supply the 57 stone or M10 and the sub would place it. You supply the anchor bolts.
No sweat.
My guy poured 300 yards Saturday to beat the rain.
I know that, you know that but some guys may not want to mess with that stuff. I'm not sure who Josh is talking to but I wouldn't be surprised if some guys don't want that type of work, they want the easy stuff, sidewalks, drive ways and simple garage floors. . . . dig, form, pour, float, trowel and it's time to go home.
I hope he finds somebody, I'm ready to see his future build thread.
southernfriedcj
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I know that, you know that but some guys may not want to mess with that stuff. I'm not sure who Josh is talking to but I wouldn't be surprised if some guys don't want that type of work, they want the easy stuff, sidewalks, drive ways and simple garage floors. . . . dig, form, pour, float, trowel and it's time to go home.
I hope he finds somebody, I'm ready to see his future build thread.
I have never seen a concrete contractor who would turn down a job because he had to place bolts in a slab.
I cannot even imagine that happening.
It's an everyday thing for concrete guys. Just like forming, tying steel, pouring and finishing.
Heck, getting forms set square and level is light years more difficult than placing bolts.
I dare say placing bolts is the easiest part of any concrete job.
Bigman gave me some names that I will try however...
I forgot one of my friends who I haven't seen since last summer does concrete.
So I sent him a email with the drawings, he stayed up until almost midnight getting me my quote.
Sometime this week he is coming over to look at the site and discuss what we need to do.
He even itemized my quote showing what all the materials cost and what labor is.
Labor is stupid expensive but at this time I can go ahead and get the pillars in and get the building up. We will do a slab later.
Slab wise I might look into doing that my self.
I forgot one of my friends who I haven't seen since last summer does concrete.
So I sent him a email with the drawings, he stayed up until almost midnight getting me my quote.
Sometime this week he is coming over to look at the site and discuss what we need to do.
He even itemized my quote showing what all the materials cost and what labor is.
Labor is stupid expensive but at this time I can go ahead and get the pillars in and get the building up. We will do a slab later.
Slab wise I might look into doing that my self.
Shadowdog500
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I don't think the prices will come down in the winter. They will need to use a winter mix(which you really don't want in the long run). And they will have to do a bunch of other stuff to keep your slab from freezing which can cause spalling. If you can't get it done soon (like before they switch to a winter mix) I would suggest waiting until the spring when the you are done with frost, and they are back to using a regular mix.
Large pours of concrete is one of those jobs where it is better to get a pro. they have the tools and experience to make it right even if things dont go as planned. and as you discovered the price isnt that much more. I had my concrete done by a 82 year old pro who owns the concrete co and was born into the business. They did a beautiful job and with setup, pour and saw cut they were in and out in a few days.
I wouldn't go cheap on concrete, it don't cost that much more to get a stronger mix, along with wire, and that couple extra inches of thickness so you can put a lift in later.
Chris
Large pours of concrete is one of those jobs where it is better to get a pro. they have the tools and experience to make it right even if things dont go as planned. and as you discovered the price isnt that much more. I had my concrete done by a 82 year old pro who owns the concrete co and was born into the business. They did a beautiful job and with setup, pour and saw cut they were in and out in a few days.
I wouldn't go cheap on concrete, it don't cost that much more to get a stronger mix, along with wire, and that couple extra inches of thickness so you can put a lift in later.
Chris
Gary S
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You need to get it done locally. You can't go to www.econcrete4idiots.com and download concrete.
This is one job that technology will never do.
Yup just discussed that with my friend. Said they just dont do concrete in the winter because they don't like the mix
Your saying I can't download the concrete onto a USB, plug it into the ground and concrete magically appears?
well damn
Gary S
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Your saying I can't download the concrete onto a USB, plug it into the ground and concrete magically appears?
well damn
We all wish we could, but concrete work is one of those dirty jobs that get done only with sweat, and mankind will never find a technology to replace that.
It always comes down to basics.
Either you do the work yourself, or you pay more to have it done by a professional.
Doing it yourself, you pay for the concrete. Having someone else do it, you pay for concrete and the sweat.
I find there are 3 choices to get concrete work done. None of them involve technology or the internet.
1. Hire a contractor to do it and pay him what he needs to turn a profit and stay in business. The price isn't usually what you would like to pay.
2. Do the site prep and forms yourself, and call a ready mix company to deliver the concrete. Make sure you have some young strong friends to help you that day. You pay for the concrete delivered, beer and food for friends, and a promise to help them on their concrete work in the future.
It saves you lots of money doing it this way.
3. If the job is too small that the ready mix folks don't want to deal with you, get a concrete mixer, haul in your gravel, sand, and cement, and mix it yourself. This is usually even cheaper, but now you have to supply the trucks and mixer to get it done.
In the end, it still comes down to sweat. #1, you pay for someone else's sweat. #2 and #3, you contribute the sweat yourself.
Trying to find a contractor on the internet doesn't make much sense. You want the guy to be as local as possible. Transporting crew, equipment, and concrete will price it out of your range really fast.
I know I was just pulling your leg.
I wanted a site where I could find more local people to bid.
Funny thing is I put my information on a site and got 2 calls last night. Both people are with in 45 mins of me and very nice and asked lots of questions.
I also got 3 more recommendations from bigman
I say posting on a forum and getting 5 more contractors is worth using technology
readhead
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Is your building set up to pour the slab after erecting?
Yes. My garage door is right where the truck can pour easily inside. If for some reason we can not get to the back of the barn (only 24 foot long) then I can take off a back panel.
If that dosent work then I can use my buddys bob cat to drive it in and dump it. (we had to do this on his barn)
readhead
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I'm asking if the metal building is designed to pour the slab after erecting.
readhead
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Do you have a foundation design?
Im pretty sure it has this in the blue prints. But im not 100% sure what your asking.
From my research I have seen a few people do concrete afterwards.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186680&showall=1
readhead
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Are you planning to pour a stem wall around the perimiter of the building? What is the frost line where you are?
Yes I will eventually.
Its possible it will just be block.
These are other things I will be talking with my friend about later this week.
readhead
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I am going to PM you. Give me a call.
What no pics ? Sheesh. Pics man pics.
What no pics ? Sheesh. Pics man pics.
It was dark when we finished.
Once I get home I will start taking progress pics...hopefully I have concrete poured by saturday.