Need help. Cam holding tool.

[muskaman67]

Hey guys, I'm about to do a timing belt, water pump, tensioner, seals, etc. on my moms 2005 acura tl. I need a recommendation for a tool to hold the cam gear so i can remove them. Also, i need a tool to remove and install the cam seal. I was wondering if these tools would work for me. Any other suggestions to help me would be greatly appreciated!

http://www.tooltopia.com/schley-96800.aspx
http://www.tooltopia.com/lisle-58430.aspx
http://www.tooltopia.com/schley-63800.aspx

 

[V70R]

Snapon carries a kit for the J32A motor used in the 2005 TL vehicles. Automotive Service Tools LTD out of the UK manufactures the kit, made in Britain.

If you have a Snapon dealer: P/N AS4645. Runs about $360.00. If not, you can order it through ToolSource.com for roughly $235.00

Link: http://www.toolsource.com/chrysler-timing-25v6-30v6-p-101988.html

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

Loosen the bolts before you take the T-belt off with 3/8 impact or use wrench to hold the cam shaft.

If you don't have air tools, you can use pulley holder to stop from spinning.

 

[wornoutoldman]

I like to spin the motor over at least two full revolutions by hand and recheck timing marks before completing reassembly.

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

I like to spin the motor over at least two full revolutions by hand and recheck timing marks before completing reassembled.

It's a must for any T-belt job, and make sure you don't loose any keys (half-moon for cam gears and small square for pulley gear)

 

[spoolgarage]

You need the otc adjustable spanner cam holder. The one in your link is too big for honda cam gears if I remember correctly. I wouldn't bother changing the oil seals but if you must the seal installer is a neat tool but pricey.

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

It's stupid to not change them while you are there. You might skip pulley tensioners for the first T-belt, but do recommend changing seals.

I didn't need any special tools, used pick to take the old seals out and socket that is tiny bit smaller than seal size to put it back on for both cam seals and crank pulley seal.

 

[muskaman67]

Do you guys think this cam holding tool will work instead? i know hondas are spaced differently with the cams then toyotas.
http://www.tooltopia.com/otc-tools-6613.aspx

 

[oldtools]

I have the schley cam holder and it does not fit my V6 Honda. It fit the Camry V6. I have to rig one up myself. The OTC one work (my homemade one look like the OTC). HF use to sell one for $20. I highly recommend the lisle seal puller. That thing work awesome and save yourself lot of time as well as prevent damage to cam shaft. Never use the cam seal installer, but look like a good tool especially for confined space. It is a good idea to change out the seals when doing timing belt. Make sure when you install the seal, the seal spring does not pop out from the holding groove.

 

[G1GRANDEUR]

And use lube on seals when installing.

 

[muskaman67]

I have the schley cam holder and it does not fit my V6 Honda. It fit the Camry V6. I have to rig one up myself. The OTC one work (my homemade one look like the OTC). HF use to sell one for $20. I highly recommend the lisle seal puller. That thing work awesome and save yourself lot of time as well as prevent damage to cam shaft. Never use the cam seal installer, but look like a good tool especially for confined space. It is a good idea to change out the seals when doing timing belt. Make sure when you install the seal, the seal spring does not pop out from the holding groove.

stupid me, but im not sure what your talking about with the spring seal popping out? sorry.

 

[spoolgarage]

Do you guys think this cam holding tool will work instead? i know hondas are spaced differently with the cams then toyotas.
http://www.tooltopia.com/otc-tools-6613.aspx

Thats the one.

 

[oldtools]

stupid me, but im not sure what your talking about with the spring seal popping out? sorry.

If you look inside (from the open end) the cam seal, you will see a coil spring wrap around the seal. When you install the seal onto the camshaft, the seal lip will have to go over the camshaft lead in chamfer first. When the seal try to go over that, the seal lip tend to roll. This rolling sometime cause the spring to pop out. Happen to me several times. Luckily I caught it and put the spring back. Seal will not be that effective if the spring pop out. I have seen cars with leaky cam seal due to spring pop out. Either the mechanic was not aware of it or don't care.

 

[muskaman67]

thanks oldtools, i will def keep a eye out on that. appreciate it.

 

[bgott]

Since I started packing the back of those spring loaded seals with grease I haven't had a spring pop out. The grease sort of glues them in place. Some seals come pre-packed.

 

[spity]

I usualy whip up my own camshaft holding tools using flat stock and small bolts for the pins. But in alot of cases the camshafts have a square or hex lug put a wrench to hold them, or a nice spot to lock on a pair of locking pliers. You can also just loosen them with air tools with the chain/belt still on.

 

[mtkst19]

make sure you dont use grease on teflon seals. Radial seals it is ok to. Radial are the ones w/ the spring on he back. Teflon seals do not have the spring. I just had to do front and rear main seal along w/ a cam seal on an engine that another shop just installed that was leaking like a sieve. They used grease on the teflon seals. This is a big no no. They get installed dry

also, check your radial seal is the correct rotation direction. It should have an arrow on it point to the right, left, or both ways for being multi directional. On more than one occasion I was given a wrong rotation seal.

 

[muskaman67]

what can i use to install the cam and crank seal? you think a socket would work, or do i need a special tool to seat it in correctly?