Need help Identifying old Wilton Vise

[Kenwc]

I'm hoping someone can help me pin down a model number of this vise I snagged today on CL. It has no visible model number (where to they put them) and the fixed and dymamic jaw castings are stamped 101162 and 101163 respectively. It belonged to the sellers fathers father so it's quite old. It has 4-1/2" jaws but I've not measured the opening length. Says it was made in Schiller Ill.

Thanks for any info you can give.

 

[knotheads]

i recall it being said on this board that any wilton vise with schiller il on the casting would date 1974 or later.

 

[autopts71045]

Great looking vise! And, it looks complete! That's a 450S maybe 25 years old or so, and stripped, cleaned and painted will be worth an easy $200+. depending on jaw condition. These Wilton scores are all about timing..Nice!

 

[Kenwc]

So I guess I did ok for $25 ??

 

[autopts71045]

Yes, definitely and just left alone like that, makes it all the easier to get it working for ya. Figure a set of new jaws, along with copper liners and you will have a grand total of $100 into that big boy! I have them both, new jaws and liners. If you want them, contact me.

 

[Kenwc]

Does anyone know if there is a parts drawing available for the vise I posted at the beginning of this thread? Wilton 450.

Thanks

 

[spongerich]

Does anyone know if there is a parts drawing available for the vise I posted at the beginning of this thread? Wilton 450.

Thanks

To what end?

If you just want to take it apart, it's simple. The only 'trick' is hammering out the pins that hold the end cap in place. Everything else just screws apart.

Also, if you want to know the date of manufacture, remove the dymanic jaw and look on the bottom. Nearly all Wilton bullets have the date stamped there.

 

[whelenfan]

nice score. that baby is ready to use as is.

 

[Kenwc]

Mainly to just "have"...I restore old woodworking and metalworking machines as a hobby and most everything I've done so far, I've managed to scrounge up some dirty paper for it. I think I probably "restore" more than "use"...its kind of addictive. I see rust and must conquer it.

To what end?

If you just want to take it apart, it's simple. The only 'trick' is hammering out the pins that hold the end cap in place. Everything else just screws apart.

Also, if you want to know the date of manufacture, remove the dymanic jaw and look on the bottom. Nearly all Wilton bullets have the date stamped there.

 

[Kenwc]

nice score. that baby is ready to use as is.

Thanks...I had been looking for one for a REAL long time and was about to just give up and that one showed up in my area. I'm looking forward to the restoration.

By the way....I watched a little 2" Wilton Bullet go for $555 this week on ebay...I think there was some "bidosterone" going on there between just 2 bidders.

 

[pfbz]

Nice 450S, especially for $25!

Here's a Wilton parts diagram. It's for a 400S, but I think the 450S is identical (just larger!).

 

[t100]

I'd strip the paint off. first, if it's pre-1974, Lead paint would be for sure. plus, when you clean that sucker up, you can see the markings much better. check my $25 wilton thread. you won't be sorry.

 

[Kenwc]

Thanks....Thats what I was looking for.

One question I do have about taking this vice apart....it's not intuitively obvious to me how you drive the pins out. Can someone enlighten me?

Nice 450S, especially for $25!

Here's a Wilton parts diagram. It's for a 400S, but I think the 450S is identical (just larger!).

 

[pfbz]

I was in your shoes just a few weeks ago... New (old) Wilton, no idea how to take it apart, but some reading up here and now I've pulled apart three of them.

Here's what I did for disassembly...

1. Unscrew the main clamping screw (#1) and remove the front dynamic jaw. It will come right off.
2. Take a long rod, feed it through the front, and gently tap out the rear dust cap. I used 1/2" threaded rod.
3. Drive the tail piece pin in towards the center. The pin will go through the center and start to drive out the opposite pin. Once the opposite pin in partially out, grab it and remove it with vise grips.
4. Hammer the original pin back in towards the center from the opposite side. Tail piece should now be free...

They come apart very quickly. I was able to find replacement solid pins at my local Ace hardware, but I think most people just reuse the original pins.

 

[spongerich]

Thanks...I had been looking for one for a REAL long time and was about to just give up and that one showed up in my area. I'm looking forward to the restoration.

By the way....I watched a little 2" Wilton Bullet go for $555 this week on ebay...I think there was some "bidosterone" going on there between just 2 bidders.

I really like those little mini bullets, but OMFG, they're going for stupid money on eBay. I keep hoping to come across one on CL or perhaps a an auction.

 

[Kenwc]

Thanks...that really cleared it up for me. Makes sense.

I was in your shoes just a few weeks ago... New (old) Wilton, no idea how to take it apart, but some reading up here and now I've pulled apart three of them.

Here's what I did for disassembly...

1. Unscrew the main clamping screw (#1) and remove the front dynamic jaw. It will come right off.
2. Take a long rod, feed it through the front, and gently tap out the rear dust cap. I used 1/2" threaded rod.
3. Drive the tail piece pin in towards the center. The pin will go through the center and start to drive out the opposite pin. Once the opposite pin in partially out, grab it and remove it with vise grips.
4. Hammer the original pin back in towards the center from the opposite side. Tail piece should now be free...

They come apart very quickly. I was able to find replacement solid pins at my local Ace hardware, but I think most people just reuse the original pins.

 

[Kenwc]

A member on another forum I'm on just yesterday gloated about the Wilton 2" bullet he picked up. It was pristene from the pics I saw...he got it for:

********** $10.00 ***********

I really like those little mini bullets, but OMFG, they're going for stupid money on eBay. I keep hoping to come across one on CL or perhaps a an auction.

 

[Kenwc]

I was a little amused when I took this vise apart this morning. I looked at the date stamp and it read "179" I assume this means Jan 79???

The amusing part was that the 1 was stamped upside down. So...unless there is some code to break I think it's Jan 79.

 

[pfbz]

I think it's Jan 79.

Sounds about right...

 

[Kenwc]

I've taken this vise apart getting it ready to restore. (dremel cutting tool made short work of removing an end ball)

I want to replace the sliding handle with a longer rod. I'll thread the ends and add steel ball knobs and rubber washers.

My question is what type of steel round stock would be best? It will probably be just over 1 foot in length...maybe more.

Thanks in advance.

Ken

 

[z28toz06]

chrome-moly?

 

[Slip_Kid]

I've taken this vise apart getting it ready to restore. (dremel cutting tool made short work of removing an end ball)

I want to replace the sliding handle with a longer rod. I'll thread the ends and add steel ball knobs and rubber washers.

My question is what type of steel round stock would be best? It will probably be just over 1 foot in length...maybe more.

Thanks in advance.

Ken

Making a longer front rod might be a bad idea, it is certain length for a reason. A longer rod will put more torque on the vise, not a good idea.

 

[Kenwc]

I know that "would" be a concern. But it's not a concern for me because I'm doing it for 2 reasons....1 the old one is trashed and gouged...2. I have low upper body and arm strength and while I need the extra leverage, I'll "never" get on it enough to hurt anything.

oh..and there's a 3...I can never leave well enough alone when I restore something...

Another modification I intend to make is to fab a way to hold the handle centered while spinning instead of allowing it to slide through if I lose grip by either...

1. Dill and tap the end of the hub and add a little T handle with threaded stud.

or

2. Which would be much cooler - Drill and tap again for a bolt/spring and ball and turn a groove in the center of the handle on my lathe and have a "detent stop"....

Ken...(who's made tons mods like these on machines and other items to make use with less effort)

 

[gregmcgrew]

i need help identifying a wilton vise with numbers 22587 and i think part numbers 101166 and 101167 can anyone please help

 

[gregmcgrew]

that maybe number 22581 instead of a 7

 

[autopts]

i need help identifying a wilton vise with numbers 22587 and i think part numbers 101166 and 101167 can anyone please help

Got a photo? All my Wilton info went bye bye when my backup crashed. How wide are the jaws?

 

[gregmcgrew]

can post a photo later and the jaws are 3 and a half inches thank you for posting

 

[autopts]

If its a bullet vise, they used the upc #'s in the 70's & 80"s. Its a 350N (Non Swivel) or a 350S (Swivel). Great vise for the home shop.

 

[gregmcgrew]

it also has jaws for pipe in center so it doesn't look like a bullet photo i looked up if that doesn't help i'll send photos thanks

 

[chevy.stroker]

I know this is an old thread but thought you might be able to give some help.

I bought this Wilton vise, has 5" jaws and 8-8.5" opening.

First pic is the the overall vise, second is of a number on the back side of the dynamic jaw. Can anyone help verify the model number, and how old it is?

This is inside the "tube" way in the back. Its the best i could do

 

[autopts]

I know this is an old thread but thought you might be able to give some help.

I bought this Wilton vise, has 5" jaws and 8-8.5" opening.

First pic is the the overall vise, second is of a number on the back side of the dynamic jaw. Can anyone help verify the model number, and how old it is?

Thats a early 500S from the later 70's early 80's. Thats a big one!

 

[Catalyze]

Oh my eyes!!!
I have seen an angel....or at least a heavenly vise!
Wowzers....that is a Big Vise even by my standards and
I live next to Texas (everything is big over there). Great product
and thanks for the photos.
Craig

 

[chevy.stroker]

Thanks for the info guys! I guess $75 was a good deal?

 

[chevy.stroker]

Oh my eyes!!!
I have seen an angel....or at least a heavenly vise!
Wowzers....that is a Big Vise even by my standards and
I live next to Texas (everything is big over there). Great product
and thanks for the photos.
Craig

Live IN Texas like me and find a heavenly vise for yourself too lol

 

[Welditup]

I too have a old (or at least I think it's old) Wilton vice it has a 3.5" jaw width and a 3" jaw opening it does not have removable jaw pads like most of the vices I see online could someone point me in the right direction.

 

[454ragtop]

Welcome, not sure what you're asking. That's a low end home owner grade Wilton, not to be confused with a bullet vise in any way. May or may not have been made in the USA, thinking it wasn't, probably dates from the 80's.

 

[RDeLawter]

Still a very useful vise and will clean up nice.

I am new here too and look forward to the Wilton information.

 

[G-ManBart]

Still a very useful vise and will clean up nice.

I am new here too and look forward to the Wilton information.

Welcome! There are several threads on Wilton history, production dates, and restorations...all are worth a look.

 

[Beetle]

I recently acquired a Wilton bullet vise. I’ve read all the threads but still have many questions. First the vise is a model 4 according to what’s cast under the jaw. It has 5” jaws and opens to nearly 9”. The date appears to be 747. It is pretty light but it doesn’t appear to be 7-47. Thanks to all who have posted I got it apart with no problem. Some questions I have, can the removable jaws be flipped putting the good side up and the worn/damaged side down? The screws holding the jaws are in need of replacement. I’m assuming there’s nothing special about these screws and they are basic hardware store variety.

Now for what may be my biggest issue. The removable jaw locator pins are flush in the vise jaws. On the videos I watched these pins should protrude into to removable jaws thus assisting in holding them centered. Are these locator pins threaded into the vise jaws or just a snug fit.