Need help picking a compressor

[Marksextra]

So I'm new here and am looking for a little help from the experienced guys who wouldn't mind lending a hand. I sure would appreciate the help.

I need to do some sand blasting. Easy enough I figured. Well, I immediately found out that I need a pretty good compressor. So I have these metal recycling containers that need re-painted sometimes and they are about 4ft square and about 6 ft tall. So alot of blasting sometimes.

I was hoping to spend in the $800-$1300 range. I've been checking craigslist to see what was available and boy is there alot to learn.

So far I've came across these compressors that were the top picks within a few hours drive.

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/hvo/d/champion-industrial-air/6516124082.html

https://syracuse.craigslist.org/tls/d/ingrasol-rand-t30-air/6491902530.html

https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/d/air-compressor/6515774731.html

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/hvo/d/saylor-bell-two-stage-25hp/6524224724.html



I would really prefer a single phase but I do have 3 phase in my current warehouse. I worry that when I move, my new location may not have 3 phase, like many of the people on craigslist selling their 3 phase compressors.

Thoughts on these compressors?

 

[cvairwerks]

First thing is define how many containers and how often do you need to blast them. Second, do you have a dedicated room for blasting. as it is messy and will send dust and particles into every nook and crany in your place.

If you aren’t needing to blast more than one or two a week on average, I’d farm the task out.

 

[Marksextra]

First thing is define how many containers and how often do you need to blast them. Second, do you have a dedicated room for blasting. as it is messy and will send dust and particles into every nook and crany in your place.

If you aren’t needing to blast more than one or two a week on average, I’d farm the task out.

I have over 100 of these containers and have been in business for about 8 years, so unfortunately I can see me having a long term commitment in having to continually rehabilitate bins. I also have a contracting business and I kind of thought I would have to build a room. I can blast outside during the summer without problem, but in the winter that's not happening. That said, we do slow down with the changing out of newly painted bins for old bins during the winter months usually. Besides the bins needing blasted, I was thinking the compressor would also provide us the ability to spray paint bins instead of the less preferred method of rolling paint on them.

 

[machsnell]

Do you need them all d9wn to bare metal or just corners and some minor rust pockets?

If a sizeable area on each then....

Rent a 185 size compressor that is commonly used for jackhammers.

Then rent a sandblaster and get some black beauty sand if you have 100 to do now.

It will be more expensive up front but you will clean them infinitely faster than with a small sandblast set up.

It wouldn't help with painting but you will save on labor to get that many done.

Obviously it would have to be done outside. Which is fine even when cold.



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[Marksextra]

I am getting a quote from the local sand blasting company for occasional total bin blasting. That said, I still would like to purchase a good compressor. Can anyone help me with these choices?

 

[mharris2007]

I have a small shop in my garage. I'm a physician and don't use it as part of my livelihood for a little background. I have this one: https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Quincy-2V41C60VC-Air-Compressor/p855.html

It has been the best investment for my garage of any of the tools I have.

I made a 90ft long copper radiator for it.

Let me see if I can find a picture.

This is the best one I could find. Disregard my wife and her funny face she's making.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TZs-mH0d_4foTxLv-fojukB8Cn-rk5JE

 

[Marksextra]

I have a small shop in my garage. I'm a physician and don't use it as part of my livelihood for a little background. I have this one: https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Quincy-2V41C60VC-Air-Compressor/p855.html

It has been the best investment for my garage of any of the tools I have.

I made a 90ft long copper radiator for it.

Let me see if I can find a picture.

This is the best one I could find. Disregard my wife and her funny face she's making.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TZs-mH0d_4foTxLv-fojukB8Cn-rk5JE

That's a super nice compressor and a great looking setup!

 

[mharris2007]

That's a super nice compressor and a great looking setup!

Ha ha thanks. Definitely overkill for my hobby usages, but about 2 years ago I repainted all our bedroom furniture with a HVLP gun and pancake compressor. I told my wife, I'm never painting anything ever again until I have an appropriate compressor. Needless to say, I got this one not long after. Ha ha.

 

[cgrutt]

I have a small shop in my garage. I'm a physician and don't use it as part of my livelihood for a little background. I have this one: https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Quincy-2V41C60VC-Air-Compressor/p855.html

It has been the best investment for my garage of any of the tools I have.

I made a 90ft long copper radiator for it.

Let me see if I can find a picture.

This is the best one I could find. Disregard my wife and her funny face she's making.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TZs-mH0d_4foTxLv-fojukB8Cn-rk5JE

Don't mean to derail thread but just wanted to ask what the radiator is for? Assuming it gives you more volume, anything else? Looks great btw. Thanks.

 

[1redTA]

The radiator is used to cool the air after it is heated during compression

 

[cgrutt]

The radiator is used to cool the air after it is heated during compression

 

[mharris2007]

Don't mean to derail thread but just wanted to ask what the radiator is for? Assuming it gives you more volume, anything else? Looks great btw. Thanks.

The radiator is to cool the air. As the air is compressed it holds more water. If you have a radiator it allows the air to cool, and the water comes out and falls to the bottom of the radiator where I have a ball valve at the bottom of each loop to drain the radiator. Plus there's a water separated as it comes out of the compressor and at the end of the radiator. This way, your tools don't fill up with water and water from your compressor doesn't get in the paint you're spraying. A dryer accomplishes the same thing chemically, but I don't have space for a dryer, so I built the radiator instead.

This is where I got the idea.

Most shops don't have to worry about this because they have to run air lines all over the place, but in my two car garage I had to come up with a different approach. Hence the radiator. Hope this helps.

Matt

 

[EOC_Jason]

Well, that Champion with the dual pumps would be a good candidate if you ever did move and only had single phase you could swap out for 5hp single phase motors rather painless... Plus if one pump went down for some reason, you still have the other in operation to carry on...

The 10HP IR T30 for only $600 seems a good deal too if it is mechanically sound...

The 25HP Saylor Beall is a beast and could probably supply all the air you would ever need... 89.6 CFM delivered @ 175 PSI... Looks like they are including a refrigerator dryer too which those aren't cheap either especially for that size.


Me personally... If practicality the dual-pump Champion served the CFM I needed, that would be my first choice. Then the 25HP Saylor Beall would be my second choice simply because you rarely see those pumps available especially for that price. Then the IR T30, and last would be the 10HP Single Pump Champion...

 

[Marksextra]

Well, that Champion with the dual pumps would be a good candidate if you ever did move and only had single phase you could swap out for 5hp single phase motors rather painless... Plus if one pump went down for some reason, you still have the other in operation to carry on...

The 10HP IR T30 for only $600 seems a good deal too if it is mechanically sound...

The 25HP Saylor Beall is a beast and could probably supply all the air you would ever need... 89.6 CFM delivered @ 175 PSI... Looks like they are including a refrigerator dryer too which those aren't cheap either especially for that size.


Me personally... If practicality the dual-pump Champion served the CFM I needed, that would be my first choice. Then the 25HP Saylor Beall would be my second choice simply because you rarely see those pumps available especially for that price. Then the IR T30, and last would be the 10HP Single Pump Champion...

Thank you for the detailed reply. I really appreciate you including your reasons behind your choices and why. That helps.

That dual pump Champion is a really nice unit. 3 1/2 hour drive $1500

The Saylor Beall is closer at just 2hours away $1500 I like the extras that come with it.

The IR T30 is 4 1/2 hours and of course it's the cheapest. $600 Might be worth my time though. That would make for a Loooong day.

The 10HP single Champion would have been my first pick but it's 4 1/2hr drive away. Sure looks like it's in really nice condition though. Looks like new. $1000

Funny the 2 cheapest are the two farthest away.


Maybe I can talk one of the top two down off the $1500 price a little.

 

[HotRodMan]

I am an advanced amateur car restorer and I researched compressors for about a month before making a purchase. I decided on a Quincy 7 1/2 hp 80 gallon tank, single phase and I am so glad I did. I have ad the compressor now for 3 years and it will handle anything you throw at it with ease without having to wait for the compressor to catch up with the work you are doing.

Of equal importance is the way you run your air line from the compressor. It was my experience that I needed to run 25 feet of metal air line before making a drop then run another 25 feet to the next drop to an air filter, and I never get water in the air. I slanted the pipe so the water would drain to the drop.

If this is more money than you want to spend, Quincy makes some compressors that are less expensive but I have found you need plenty of air for spraying paint, sandblasting, and air sanding.

 

[Marksextra]

I am an advanced amateur car restorer and I researched compressors for about a month before making a purchase. I decided on a Quincy 7 1/2 hp 80 gallon tank, single phase and I am so glad I did. I have ad the compressor now for 3 years and it will handle anything you throw at it with ease without having to wait for the compressor to catch up with the work you are doing.

Of equal importance is the way you run your air line from the compressor. It was my experience that I needed to run 25 feet of metal air line before making a drop then run another 25 feet to the next drop to an air filter, and I never get water in the air. I slanted the pipe so the water would drain to the drop.

If this is more money than you want to spend, Quincy makes some compressors that are less expensive but I have found you need plenty of air for spraying paint, sandblasting, and air sanding.

Thanks for the reply!

I'll look into the Quincy.

I did recently find a 7.5hp IR T30 that's only 45 minutes away. I wonder if they have similar specs. I'll look into that.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1977914449197964

 

[metty]

if you search on here you will find tons and tons of threads like this; i was recently in your shoes so i know first hand.

Generally the consensus is that you are much better off finding an old Kellogg or Quincy than buying a newer chinese made unit (at the price range you are talking about). It looks like you are already on the right track with your searching and the links you posted.

many of the older large industrial compressors are extremely rebuildable and many parts are still available (seems to be especially true for quincy stuff). The mac daddy for the home shop seems to be the Quincy 325 but you likely will not find a CL ad that calls it out as such. if you google quincy 325 you can look at some pictures then use that to filter thru CL ads (quincy stuff in general looks pretty distinctive and is often painted "quincy blue")

hope that helps some

 

[EOC_Jason]

The 25HP Saylor Beall is also a pressure lube... It will likely outlast you and the next owner before needing to be taken apart... With the refrigerator dryer (assuming it works) you won't have any moisture issues if you decide to do painting. The pump can use as small as a 15HP motor too if you wanted to downsize it a big and run at a lower RPM...

That 7.5HP IR looks like a decent deal too, probably be able to talk the guy down even more too...

 

[On-Wheel]

I'd inquire about what service life has been on each unit.Like are they all original parts or rebuilt at some point.
What did the Saylor Beall do in the Grafton shop? Same question with the other pumps?

I'd also think about which one would give your ears a break with all that blasting .Your talking 10k sq' for 100 containers,JUST THE OUTSIDES,WOW.

 

[Marksextra]

if you search on here you will find tons and tons of threads like this; i was recently in your shoes so i know first hand.

Generally the consensus is that you are much better off finding an old Kellogg or Quincy than buying a newer chinese made unit (at the price range you are talking about). It looks like you are already on the right track with your searching and the links you posted.

many of the older large industrial compressors are extremely rebuildable and many parts are still available (seems to be especially true for quincy stuff). The mac daddy for the home shop seems to be the Quincy 325 but you likely will not find a CL ad that calls it out as such. if you google quincy 325 you can look at some pictures then use that to filter thru CL ads (quincy stuff in general looks pretty distinctive and is often painted "quincy blue")

hope that helps some

Learn something new everyday. I didn't know the Quincy compressors were all that. I'll do as you suggest and look into them. Thanks!

 

[Marksextra]

The 25HP Saylor Beall is also a pressure lube... It will likely outlast you and the next owner before needing to be taken apart... With the refrigerator dryer (assuming it works) you won't have any moisture issues if you decide to do painting. The pump can use as small as a 15HP motor too if you wanted to downsize it a big and run at a lower RPM...

That 7.5HP IR looks like a decent deal too, probably be able to talk the guy down even more too...

I ended up calling about the Saylor Beall. I have to call a different person tomorrow. I like the idea of 1. it puts out 89cfm. 2. I won't need to upgrade any time soon. 3. the extras are nice.

The IR 7.5hp vertical compressor for Facebook is a decent deal, i just worry about the cfm. That said, if the guy comes down a little, that would truly be a deal that I'd have a hard time passing up. Solid compressor with a great price=low risk for me. If the thing went belly up after 3 months, I wouldn't go bankrupt. Plus it's just down the road practically. That's nice. I'll contact the guy and try to get additional information. The horizontal IR 10hp is a nice unit but it's a haul to get it.

 

[Marksextra]

I'd inquire about what service life has been on each unit.Like are they all original parts or rebuilt at some point.
What did the Saylor Beall do in the Grafton shop? Same question with the other pumps?

I'd also think about which one would give your ears a break with all that blasting .Your talking 10k sq' for 100 containers,JUST THE OUTSIDES,WOW.

I would have never thought to ask those two questions. Service and sound. Thanks for mentioning.

I think the Saylor Beall especially I want to hear the history since it's likely older.

The guy with the IR 7.5hp wasn't exactly a talker but I'm going to bug him about it some more tomorrow. If I have to, I can go down there and see and hear it myself before I make any decisions.

 

[Marksextra]

if you search on here you will find tons and tons of threads like this; i was recently in your shoes so i know first hand.

Generally the consensus is that you are much better off finding an old Kellogg or Quincy than buying a newer chinese made unit (at the price range you are talking about). It looks like you are already on the right track with your searching and the links you posted.

many of the older large industrial compressors are extremely rebuildable and many parts are still available (seems to be especially true for quincy stuff). The mac daddy for the home shop seems to be the Quincy 325 but you likely will not find a CL ad that calls it out as such. if you google quincy 325 you can look at some pictures then use that to filter thru CL ads (quincy stuff in general looks pretty distinctive and is often painted "quincy blue")

hope that helps some

https://appleton.craigslist.org/tls/d/quincy-325-model-80-gallon/6485564089.html

This?

 

[Nivekdodge]

The Saylor-beall includes the dryer which will be a must add option for the amount of blasting you're going to do

 

[On-Wheel]

Plus the SB is 101 cfm @ 175 psi !

 

[On-Wheel]

 

[Marksextra]

Plus the SB is 101 cfm @ 175 psi !

That was an awesome video! I never thought to look on youtube. In my opinion, that was pretty quiet.

I'm leaning toward the SB for so many reasons. It'll be good to talk to the guy tomorrow to get more information.

I'm going to check youtube for that double motor Champion.

 

[Marksextra]

The Saylor-beall includes the dryer which will be a must add option for the amount of blasting you're going to do

agreed. I've looked up that unit and although there isn't a lot of information out there, I believe that unit is pretty expensive.

 

[Marksextra]

Update:

So I called the shop and talked to the shop maintenance guy about the Saylor-beall. He said their company had money in the budget for a new compressor this year so this one got retired. He said it was disconnected two months ago but worked great and was always regularly serviced. He didn't know if parts had been replaced. He thinks it was purchased in 1999. Is that old? He also said that at this point they're trying to get it out of the shop because it's taking up space. I let him know I was worried it wouldn't work when I got it home but he said he'd have their legal department type something up similar to a warranty to give me time to get it hooked up and test it out. Maybe a week. I thought that was pretty nice for him to do. I asked him how much he was willing to accept for the package since I couldn't see it run and he offered a $1000. I accepted. I'm supposed to go Thursday to pick it up. Almost too good to get excited about it.

If anyone has any additional considerations I should think about prior to pickup let me know now or forever hold your peace. lol

 

[On-Wheel]

Should a gave a deposit so it was written in stone.Take the link out of your first post because if someone like me that likes it ,has a grand and nothing to do.Heck I could have someone there when they open.lol
Great score.you ****! Lol
Heck there's still $200 worth of paint on it!
What did the shop do? Chrome plating?

 

[CGT80]

That SB is the way to go, for a commercial shop compressor.

It is on the small side for blasting large items, but if you are only doing the rough areas and not entire containers it may be fine.

My family owns a blasting company and when they had their shop, it had a LeRoi Dresser 25hp 3cyl pressure lubed compressor and couple hundred gallon tank. It was rated at 80+ cfm and it was used to run their big blast cabinets.

Most of their blasting was done with 175 cfm trailer mounted compressors at minimum. The 175 units got run balls to the wall, but they got so hot that they said moisture was not a problem. Their normal nozzle size was 1/2" and the pots held at least a couple hundred pounds of media. Sometimes they used steel shot as well. Their specialty was power plant turbines and all the associated equipment to go with it. They blasted between two semi trailers with a roof over the top, or out in the open yard. The place was a mess and the noise incredible.

A dedicated shed/building or sealed room in a warehouse would really help contain the dust and noise........and could be required in some areas, I would imagine. Heck, in komnifornia, the pots have permits tied to them and you can't blast on certain job sites without permits as it has to do with air quality and recovery.

Bigger is better.

For me, a single person small business/hobby shop, 5hp and 17.3 cfm at 175 psi works very well. It keeps up with a large tip with a skat gun for a small blast cabinet. If I blasted all the time or for long runs, a bigger compressor would be better.

It all depends on what you need.

 

[Marksextra]

Should a gave a deposit so it was written in stone.Take the link out of your first post because if someone like me that likes it ,has a grand and nothing to do.Heck I could have someone there when they open.lol
Great score.you ****! Lol
Heck there's still $200 worth of paint on it!
What did the shop do? Chrome plating?

I never thought of that! link taken out.

The guy was a really nice guy. We've exchanged information so I don't think he'd sell it from under me but who knows.

I think the business is in waste handling. Environmental services.

So I take it I get a thumbs up from you for the purchase?

 

[Marksextra]

That SB is the way to go, for a commercial shop compressor.

It is on the small side for blasting large items, but if you are only doing the rough areas and not entire containers it may be fine.

My family owns a blasting company and when they had their shop, it had a LeRoi Dresser 25hp 3cyl pressure lubed compressor and couple hundred gallon tank. It was rated at 80+ cfm and it was used to run their big blast cabinets.

Most of their blasting was done with 175 cfm trailer mounted compressors at minimum. The 175 units got run balls to the wall, but they got so hot that they said moisture was not a problem. Their normal nozzle size was 1/2" and the pots held at least a couple hundred pounds of media. Sometimes they used steel shot as well. Their specialty was power plant turbines and all the associated equipment to go with it. They blasted between two semi trailers with a roof over the top, or out in the open yard. The place was a mess and the noise incredible.

A dedicated shed/building or sealed room in a warehouse would really help contain the dust and noise........and could be required in some areas, I would imagine. Heck, in komnifornia, the pots have permits tied to them and you can't blast on certain job sites without permits as it has to do with air quality and recovery.

Bigger is better.

For me, a single person small business/hobby shop, 5hp and 17.3 cfm at 175 psi works very well. It keeps up with a large tip with a skat gun for a small blast cabinet. If I blasted all the time or for long runs, a bigger compressor would be better.

It all depends on what you need.

That's some great advice based on experience and it's very much appreciated. Thank you. I already feel better about the purchase.

 

[On-Wheel]

Thumbs up ! If it doesn't work out for you let me buy it from you,one two years down the road,when ever.
Yes I really think you scored big time.There 5-8 grand now!
I seen a video,Guy hooked 4 or 5 tanks up together.Said was great for painting!
I probably have $800 in a Saylor Beall 705 that I'm putting back together now after parts and paint.Yours sounds like it only needs electric hooked up,lucky you.Good luck!

 

[Marksextra]

Thumbs up ! If it doesn't work out for you let me buy it from you,one two years down the road,when ever.
Yes I really think you scored big time.There 5-8 grand now!
I seen a video,Guy hooked 4 or 5 tanks up together.Said was great for painting!
I probably have $800 in a Saylor Beall 705 that I'm putting back together now after parts and paint.Yours sounds like it only needs electric hooked up,lucky you.Good luck!

That's really good news and it adds confidence to my unknowledgeable purchase.

The one I bought lists both 9000 and PL-92520 and is pretty similar to the new one but not exact.

This is the 92520 new.

https://www.nhproequip.com/saylor-beall-92520-tank-mounted-horizontal-air-compressor

Pretty expensive at $8200. What makes a compressor so expensive?

 

[Marksextra]

The dryer that comes with it is a Great Lakes Air GRF-100.

http://www.aircompeq.com/gl.html

What is a "refrigerated dryer" anyways?

 

[marineman]

https://appleton.craigslist.org/tls/d/quincy-325-model-80-gallon/6485564089.html

This?

I know you already went with the other one that sounds like a screaming deal to me but if anyone else is interested I work about 5 miles away from where this one is located, I'd be happy to help anyone on here that needs it if I can. It's been posted for a while so you can probably talk him down a bit.

 

[cvairwerks]

The dryer that comes with it is a Great Lakes Air GRF-100.

http://www.aircompeq.com/gl.html

What is a "refrigerated dryer" anyways?

The air path part of the dryer is basically encapsulated in a refridgerator. Sorta like you took your hose reel and mounted it inside a fridge in the garage and had a port to pull the hose end out for use.

 

[Lelandwelds]

That's really good news and it adds confidence to my unknowledgeable purchase.

The one I bought lists both 9000 and PL-92520 and is pretty similar to the new one but not exact.

This is the 92520 new.

https://www.nhproequip.com/saylor-beall-92520-tank-mounted-horizontal-air-compressor

Pretty expensive at $8200. What makes a compressor so expensive?

That 25 hp is sitting in a future no man's land. Most future users that need that size will probably go with a screw. You may get another 50 years out of it. Parts will probably still be available to rebuild for another 50 at that time. Better hope you always have 3 phase.

I would farm that job out. In some areas, blasting companies work stupid cheap. Maybe strike a deal and blast 80% now. Some companies will blast and paint for less than materials cost.

The duplex would be easy to convert to single phase. Does the alternator work?

The 10 hp Champion would cost $1000 to convert to single phase. A 7.5 hp would be great if you slowed the pump. The conversions approach a new machine price from Pacific over Ebay.

Both machines are a little high. The IR would be easy to get your money out of it if needed.

 

[Jvvmusme]

what is the purpose of the 90 ft radiator ?

I have a small shop in my garage. I'm a physician and don't use it as part of my livelihood for a little background. I have this one: https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Quincy-2V41C60VC-Air-Compressor/p855.html

It has been the best investment for my garage of any of the tools I have.

I made a 90ft long copper radiator for it.

Let me see if I can find a picture.

This is the best one I could find. Disregard my wife and her funny face she's making.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TZs-mH0d_4foTxLv-fojukB8Cn-rk5JE