Need help wiring oven up

[cutthroatxxx]

Hey fellas I need a bit of help here &I know alot of guy's expecially real electricians are against guy's doing stuff like this but I think I can pull it off with a little help. So please don't jump on me too bad. So we used to have this outlet I want to say for a welder or for the car lift before the roof fell in& we had to rebuild the shop up . Anyways what I want to do is wire a kitchen oven socket up where this plug is.So it should be as simple as hooking the wires from the old socket to the new one and wiring it into the breakers. Can anybody tell me what wires go where? I wired my whole shop in 110 and I hardwired my compression myself . So if anybody can talk me through this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

 

[rockwithjason]

your pics are pretty hard to see. what is the breaker rated at? what size is the wire? what does the oven require?

 

[cutthroatxxx]

The breaker is a double 30 not sure on the gauge of the wire but after looking@pix the old man had a huge welder plugged into it.The oven was 220 out of my kitchen so just gotta figure out how to hook the wires up

 

[pattenp]

Technically if you are changing the circuit to be used for a stove it needs to be 4 wires, not 3. The old stove plugs are what's referred to as an ungrounded outlet. The neutral in effect was the ground. If the top picture is what you are installing it's the old style ungrounded outlet. The 2 hots from a DP breaker connect to the 2 slanted prongs and the neutral/ground will connect to the straight prong.

 

[pattenp]

Most stove require a 40A breaker which means you most likely will need to upsize the wire to #8.

 

[volleyball]

You need to use a socket that matches the oven you have. Are they a match?
I am assuming an old oven in the garage would be 3 wire, not 4, but they need to be the same

 

[rockwithjason]

Technically if you are changing the circuit to be used for a stove it needs to be 4 wires, not 3. The old stove plugs are what's referred to as an ungrounded outlet. The neutral in effect was the ground. If the top picture is what you are installing it's the old style ungrounded outlet. The 2 hots from a DP breaker connect to the 2 slanted prongs and the neutral/ground will connect to the straight prong.

i suspected this too. it's been too long since i have hooked up an oven

 

[wyliesdiesels]

New stove/range circuits require 4-wires. Code allows existing circuits to be grandfathered in. If youre changing the circuit then it must be upgraded to 4-wire.

Is the subpanel 4-wire or 3-wire fed?

Is the appliance just an over or a full range?

What does the stove require? A full size range will be 40a or 50a... A wall over would be 30a or 40a.

 

[Mustang51js]

Where are you guys getting your stoves from,I rarely see them above 30 amps,wall ovens are usually 40 amps. The rubber cord you have is a 4 wire so if that's the wire your using you can change the outlet and stove cord to match

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Where are you guys getting your stoves from,I rarely see them above 30 amps,wall ovens are usually 40 amps. The rubber cord you have is a 4 wire so if that's the wire your using you can change the outlet and stove cord to match

Every house Ive lived in that had an electric range either had a 40a or 50a circuit/requirement.

And the few wall ovens ive done have ALL been 30a!

So Where are u getting YOUR ranges from?

 

[pattenp]

All the free standing electric ranges I've encountered have needed 40A circuits. Have seen cook tops that worked on 30A.

 

[Mustang51js]

Every house Ive lived in that had an electric range either had a 40a or 50a circuit/requirement.

And the few wall ovens ive done have ALL been 30a!

So Where are u getting YOUR ranges from?

Customers get them,the 30 inch range at my house is a 30 amp. The only 40-50 amp stoves I've done are big stainless steel ones. Maybe out in Cali they spend more money lol

 

[6768rogues]

We always use 50A for ranges (stove top and oven on the bottom). Existing installations are usually 3 conductor but new installations are required to be 4 conductor. I installed a new one in a house and it was fed by a subpanel. The subpanel had existing 3 conductor feeding it but I still had to put 4 conductor from that panel to the plug. If it was installed legally, it can stay. If it is new, it has to conform to today's standards.

 

[Norcal]

What is the KW rating of the oven?

 

[volleyball]

There are stoves, cooktops and wall ovens who may require 30, 40 or 50a service. Depends on the model.
I think this is for a powdercoat oven where you will only use the oven portion and a 30a circuit will suffice. If the stove is 4 wire, it is easy enough to change to 3.
If you are doing this yourself, you are logically grandfathered in. Stores still sell 3 wire parts just like they still do for dryers.

 

[nadogail]

The two "hot" wires go to the outer terminals and the neutral goes to the center terminal.
You need to be able to measure 220 (really anything between 208 and 240 [depends on your location] between the two outer terminals.

For 30 amps use nothing smaller than 10 gauge wire.