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Need help with my current garage lighting

BeetleJuice

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Ill start off by appologizing if my terminology isnt correct, so bare with me fellas/ladies. First and foremost My garage is a 22x30 attatched 2 car in a duplex, the lady and I are renting. Currently there are 2 lights in the garage, and when I say 2, I mean two single bulbs. The porcelain based typical ones(im sure you know what Im talking about) They are on either side of the garage width wise(the 30' portion) about 4 feet into the garage from the house. Everything from them to the overhead is bare drywall on the ceiling. Currently have a 100w cfl bulb in each fixture, but the light output is terrible to say the least when Im doing projects. Since Im renting I cant go too overboard with stuff, but il be there for almost another 2 years so what do you guys think I can do to get better light? Im tempted to take the bases out and wire in outlets and hang a couple cheap lowes fixtures but if you guys have better ideas, send them my way.
 
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jkwilson

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You can get a two-way adapter and put two higher wattage CFLs in each socket. Cheap and fast. It's what I did when I couldn't get 200W bulbs for the back of my barn anymore.
 

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Ill start off by appologizing if my terminology isnt correct, so bare with me fellas/ladies. First and foremost My garage is a 22x30 attatched 2 car in a duplex, the lady and I are renting.

That last bit ("renting") complicates things. Is your landlord perchance a private individual, or a very small (perhaps family-operated) commercial enterprise? Or is it a large-ish corporate real estate management firm? Particularly if the former, it might be possible (and worthwhile) to negotiate some sort of accommodation (perhaps in the form of a rent credit) for any "leasehold improvements" you make, as long as you do them in a "strictly by the book" manner with respect to such things as electrical codes, etc. (which MAY mean hiring a licensed/insured/etc. pro to do things which, failing a need to satisfy a bureaucratic requirement, you could in reality easily do yourself).

Currently there are 2 lights in the garage, and when I say 2, I mean two single bulbs. The porcelain based typical ones(im sure you know what Im talking about) They are on either side of the garage width wise(the 30' portion) about 4 feet into the garage from the house. Everything from them to the overhead is bare drywall on the ceiling. Currently have a 100w cfl bulb in each fixture, but the light output is terrible to say the least when Im doing projects.

When you say "a 100w cfl bulb in each fixture" do you mean that literally? Or are you perhaps referring to the so-called "equivalent wattage" claims often made on the packaging for CFLs?

Since Im renting I cant go too overboard with stuff, but il be there for almost another 2 years so what do you guys think I can do to get better light? Im tempted to take the bases out and wire in outlets and hang a couple cheap lowes fixtures but if you guys have better ideas, send them my way.

Obviously, the simplest route would be to go with larger (and/or, with the cited adapters, multiple) CFLs in the existing fixtures, as suggested earlier in the thread. This will give you more light, possibly LOTS more light (depending on what you REALLY have now). But it won't really give you BETTER light, because all that light will still be concentrated into just two point sources.

If you are willing (and permitted) to make "permanent" changes to the space, then it would not be all that expensive to make a MAJOR improvement to the overall lighting via some simple surface-mount fluorescent fixtures. For example, I've cited fixtures similar to these many times:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-Light-Utility-Light-3348-2L32W-WRAP/100654395
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http://www.lowes.com/pd_163697-337-WP232RLU_0__?productId=3181895
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http://www.lowes.com/pd_336745-13537-336745_0__?productId=3686312
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Installation is relatively simple, especially if you have "open access" to the other side of garage ceiling. And at (roughly) $20-40 per fixture, even a half-dozen or so of them will not be a significant expense when amortized over (at least) two years of usage.


Buy two of these:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-...t-Lamp-Holder-Adapter-R52-00128-00W/100356967

and four of these:

http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/8256/FC105-S50OD.html

You'll be amazed at how much better your lighting will be. Now it won't be great if the garage gets very cold, but otherwise you'll have ~43 lumens/sq ft which isn't bad for a cheap and really easy fix.

It's really quite silly to be thinking in terms of "lumens/sq ft" when ALL of the light in a 660 ft.^2 space is concentrated into just two point-sources (and poorly located ones, at that).

If the OP's current lights are (as I suspect) the common 23-watt/~1,600-lumen types which are often claimed to be "equivalent to" a 100-watt incandescent bulb, going to MODERATELY larger bulbs (say, for example, http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/2734/FC40-S50OD.html or http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/64229/FC55-S41OD.html) would probably be useful. But anything much beyond that is likely to be counterproductive.

At 14,300 lumens per "fixture", your suggested "solution" would be downright BLINDING whenever the OP is facing in their general direction, yet still not put decent light into the other areas of the garage.

 
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BeetleJuice

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Thanks guys, 2many projects, I do not have access to the attic. The opening in the garage is by far too small for anyone to get through, we found that out the hard way when I had to put a new xhaust fan in the bathroom. Ive spoken with the landlord about making certain changes and they wont allow anything permanent, as of right now. The bulbs I believe are true 100w because they are leftovers from an electrical contractor we used at work for our building remodel. Adding the double fixtures is apossibility, but like stated, will only make the front half of the garage brighter. Thanks guys
 
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Remove the bulbs and replace them with a 110v cord adapter. Then hang a bunch of 2-tube fluorescent fixtures and plug them into power strips plugged into the adapters.
 

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Thanks guys, 2many projects, I do not have access to the attic. The opening in the garage is by far too small for anyone to get through, we found that out the hard way when I had to put a new xhaust fan in the bathroom.

I take it that it has a drop-in "access panel", but it's on the small side. Still, I would presume that it's large enough for a "skinny" person (such as that poorly paid "electrician's helper" who gets all the grunt-work jobs anyway) to fit through?

Ive spoken with the landlord about making certain changes and they wont allow anything permanent, as of right now.

That could well be the larger problem. Too bad. Have you tried offering to do it all at YOUR expense? As discussed before, if you can get even two years out of a ~$200-300 investment, it would surely be worth leaving them behind when you go.

The bulbs I believe are true 100w because they are leftovers from an electrical contractor we used at work for our building remodel.

There should be little ambiguity about this. If they really are 100 (or more commonly, 105) watt CFLs, they will be VERY bright (at least once fully warmed up) -- so bright that you would probably not want to look at them. By comparison, a 23-watt (so-called "100-watt equivalent") CFL would seem only marginally brighter than a typical table lamp. FWIW, I'm still betting on the latter.

Adding the double fixtures is apossibility, but like stated, will only make the front half of the garage brighter. Thanks guys

If a single moderately-high-power CFL (such as I cited earlier) in each fixture isn't "enough", nothing short of putting additional fixtures throughout the space is really going to do the job. To that end, and (only) if all else fails, these adapters:

http://fruitridgetools.com/StoreFrontProfiles/DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sfid=136763&c=7725&i=251513876
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Will potentially give you places to plug in "portable" shop lights, such as:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia...Grey-T8-Strip-Fluorescent-1242ZG-RE/202052422
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HOWEVER... Because an Edison-base lightbulb socket provides contacts ONLY for the Hot and Neutral lines, you will NOT have access to an EGC (Equipment Grounding Conductor); so any plug-in lamps which use (or depend on) a three-prong plug will not work (no, you should NOT defeat that third prong via yet another adapter -- or, Ghod forbid, by cutting it off).

 
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BeetleJuice

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Tried a quick 4 dollar option, with the splitter adapter posted in a reply, so I have 2 bulbs per fixture now instead of 1. Increased the amount of light tremendously. Also, while I was on the ladder at the ceiling I noticed a block off plate about 4 feet closer to the over head from the 2 fixtures, opened it up and there is a junction block with live wires that have been capped. Im assuming thats where the plug used to be for the old garage door opener, or a single light in the middle of the garage ceiling. Im going to wire an outlet back in, and hang a left over 6 foot flourescent fixture I have at work towards the overhead. Again, thank you guys.
 

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I have purchased 300W equivalent CFL bulbs at my local Lowes. They aren't kept with the bulbs, they are by the recessed light fixtures. They take 68 watts if I remember correctly. Almost the size of a pineapple but with a regular bulb base...

See if the linky works...
http://www.lowes.com/pd_46931-75774...entURL=?Ntt=cfl+bulbs&page=1&facetInfo=Spiral

If not, here is the info.

Utilitech 65-Watt (300W) Spiral Medium Base Soft White (2700K) Outdoor CFL Bulb

Item #: 46931 | Model #: L65TN

Chris
 
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