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Need hvac and mini split advice

jgorm

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I'm trying to heat and cool a 1970 double wide mobile home. It's 24x60 (1440') and is a weekend vacation river / desert house. It's has multiple old hvac systems, a central heater, a central ac and some other thermostat. The ducting on the ac is under the house and totally f'd. There is no way any of it is useable and would need to be redone completely. The ducting for the central propane heater is in the ceiling (I think) and pretty dirty. I haven't tried it because I think spiders and dirt will fly out everywhere. The previous owner used space heaters. There are 3 window ACs installed in the windows with plywood. It looks super ghetto but works ok. The windows have loose seals and are single pane. Summers can top 120°f and winters can get down to about 20.

Some calculators online say I'll need over 100,000 btu and that seems like a ton. It's in the middle of nowhere, 2hr from any decent size city. Finding anyone to do the work is nearly impossible. I've done ac once on a car (vacuum evac / recharge), but never house hvac. I'm thinking about installing a split 30-60kbtu outside unit with a 24k in the living room and a 12-24k in the other side of the living room that will be converted to a 3rd bedroom soon. Massive cooling capacity is a plus for when I show up and the house is 130°. I like the idea of the ductless design because I won't lose efficiency under the house.

If the system works good I'll add another dual unit split system for the back 2 bedrooms. Then I'll have a total of 4 indoor units for heat and cooling and can evaluate removing the ugly window ac do I can put in dual pane windows.

I have argon and co2 tanks I could pressure test with, and a couple old but expensive (biotech) vacuum pumps.

Should I even try the old central heat, go central ac / heat and crawl around under a nasty old mobil home running ducting, or go with 2 mini split dual systems?

Is 30,000btu enough or should I go 48k+ for half the house?

I'm thinking mitsu, Fujitsu, or maybe mr cool, but pre charged lines are not a big deal to me. I'd rather spend more and not have to screw with it when it's 120° and I'm trying to concentrate on drinking beer and boating.
 
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eddieK

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Most mobile home systems only have a few exposed ducts...they attach from the fau closet to the sardine can style rectangular running from front to back, one on each separate split coach.

I work on these sometimes and if you are talking desert...you are talking incredible heat gain...I recommend at least a 4 ton (1600 cfm) air mover and outdoor unit.

These thin walled structures gain AND release heat about as fast as you can remove it.

Typically they are counter flo...return in the ceiling rectangular and supply in the floor rectangular.

The easiest way to determine if you have this sardine can style duct system is look at the floor grilles...do they all line up as if they are tapped into one long rectangular duct.
 
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theoldwizard1

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The biggest problem you will ave with the mini splits is getting the heat/cooling to move from room to room. Fans will be required.

2 smaller units, or one compressor and 2 or 3 heads would help a lot.
 
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jgorm

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Any thoughts on buying multiple single units vs a larger compressor with dual indoor units? It seems like it's cheaper to buy 2 x 24kbtu mitsu units vs buying 1 48kbtu with dual 24kbtu indoor units. The added value is redundancy. If one takes a ****, I can stl use the other. And it's $800 cheaper. What am I missing? I'll have to pour another pad, and run a bit more electrical, but that's nothing to save 800 bucks and have redundancy.
 
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Jackfre

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You will need a 15 or 20 amp circuit for each of the singles. The 24 dual try units will use 20 amps. The larger will require 30 map service. 100kbtu is ridiculous by about 2/3-3/4. If I was you I would install a high efficiency 12 or at most 15 in the central area and see how it does air circulation wise. That will define the areas that require additional treatment and you can compare the area you have treated to arrive at a better idea of sizing. Step by step is the way to go. I have found that mini-splits tend to exceed your expectations and given that they are modulating they tend to push air into adjoining spaces pretty well
 
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