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DC73

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Getting ready to jump on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless power tool bandwagon. Will go with M12 Fuel mostly but there are a couple of M18 tools I'll likely end up with.

Questions:

1) Rapid charger or standard when considering the M12/M18 combo chargers?

2) What is the best bang for the buck in battery size for both M12 and M18? Any batteries to stay away from?

3) Is there a best place to buy from? I spot checked a few prices and it seems there's not much, if any, price difference between the major players.

4) 2403 Drill/Driver or 2404 Hammer Drill/Driver?

5) Better to buy kits or bare tools and put together your own kit?

Thanks much.

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Getting ready to jump on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless power tool bandwagon. Will go with M12 Fuel mostly but there are a couple of M18 tools I'll likely end up with.

Questions:

1) Rapid charger or standard when considering the M12/M18 combo chargers?
I've got a few of the standard M12/M18 chargers and they seem just fine. I've never used the rapid charger but rapid charging lithium-ion batteries typically results in slightly lower capacity and is harder on the batteries so over time they will lose capacity more quickly when they are rapid charged / discharged. It depends on how close the Milwaukee charger's constant current phase is to the maximum charge current for the lithium cells. I'm hopefully going to have a lot more information / video on this soon...
2) What is the best bang for the buck in battery size for both M12 and M18? Any batteries to stay away from?
M12 is insanely cheap for tool batteries. I've gotten them from Amazon and eBay for around 24$. I have a few of the M12 4.0XC batteries but I also have just boatloads of the 2.0s and they are so small and easy to swap out that I only use the XCs for things like the bluetooth radio where I dont want to mess with it for 8 hours of music.
3) Is there a best place to buy from? I spot checked a few prices and it seems there's not much, if any, price difference between the major players.
I've gotten a lot of my Milwaukee stuff from Amazon. Obviously also from HD as they are the primary big box retailer for Milwaukee. They also often run good package deals for Milwaukee tools. Farm and Fleet has it as well with some deals sometimes if there is one near you. You may also want to sign up for newsletters from toolup.com, toolsplus.com and toolnut.com as they run specials on Milwaukee stuff from time to time. Also if you wait for a 20% or 25% off, Zoro.com can actually have pretty good prices on Milwaukee stuff. I got my M12 FUEL circular saw there.
4) 2403 Drill/Driver or 2404 Hammer Drill/Driver?
Do you need a hammer drill? If not go for the regular Drill/Driver. Pretty much by design the hammer drill will be less rigid and have some movement to the chuck assembly as it is not rigidly mounted through bearings to the motor output. There are already complaints about wobbling chucks on Milwaukee drills so you'd be better off without the hammer function unless you need it. That said the M12 Hammer drill would be a good one for drilling tapcons or small concrete/block fasteners. They can be done without a hammer drill though if your drill has some grunt. I use a Fein 18QX drill to do them.
5) Better to buy kits or bare tools and put together your own kit?
It's probably best to buy one kit of each voltage, and then just get spare batteries and bare tools. That's not a hard rule though because a lot of times if you can get a good deal on a kit you might as well grab it. Especially if you don't mind flipping some extra chargers on eBay.

I put my answers to your questions in bold above. You might also want to go read through the Milwaukee Addiction thread because there's a lot of info about Milwaukee tools in there.
 
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I put my answers to your questions in bold above. You might also want to go read through the Milwaukee Addiction thread because there's a lot of info about Milwaukee tools in there.

Good info. It sounds like I'd be better off with the regular drill/driver instead of the hammer drill. I've only used my current hammer drill in hammer mode one or two times in its life. I can always add to the collection if I need a hammer drill down the road.

Appreciate the help.

DC
 

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My collection started with an M12 kit (3/8 drill, screwdriver and hackzall w/ 2 batteries and a 1/2hr charger) in 2011.

1- If for some reason you don't have enough batteries for a 1/2hr normal charge (on the 1.5/2ah cells, 4ah is a little longer), then go rapid. I'd rather spend the money on more batteries.

2- The 2ah M12 are great. A hair better than the 1.5ah and not as expensive as the 4ah. The 4's can hang close to 18v performance, but you'll know it's not. The only 18v stuff I use is one drill for the big stuff and a sawzall. M12 does everything else I need.

3- Watch HD for the father's day/Christmas sales for deals on the kits. After that, watch the internet, lots of places do well on bare tool deals.

4- I have the 2404 and it's outstanding. The hammer function is nice for smaller stuff, but it rarely sees use. I wanted FUEL and a 1/2" chuck, so I went for the M12 big guy.

5- Start with a kit so you have tools, batteries and a charger, then go bare tool if you can to prevent having 6 chargers laying around when you only use 2 (at least I have spares). The batteries are a bigger issue. Watch for the "Milwaukee Free" promos at HD and CPO. I got my first 4ah battery when I picked up the 2404 and 2453 in a buy 2, get "you pick" extra thing deal.

Pay close attention to the package deals- a lot of times you end up with some comparatively free stuff, but others are actually more expensive.
 

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Getting ready to jump on the Milwaukee M12/M18 cordless power tool bandwagon. Will go with M12 Fuel mostly but there are a couple of M18 tools I'll likely end up with.

Questions:

1) Rapid charger or standard when considering the M12/M18 combo chargers?

2) What is the best bang for the buck in battery size for both M12 and M18? Any batteries to stay away from?

3) Is there a best place to buy from? I spot checked a few prices and it seems there's not much, if any, price difference between the major players.

4) 2403 Drill/Driver or 2404 Hammer Drill/Driver?

5) Better to buy kits or bare tools and put together your own kit?

Thanks much.

DC
1) Start with standard, maybe buy the Rapid Charging Bay when you have more batteries.

2) 5.0Ah if you ask me. I wouldn't hesitate to buy 4.0Ah, or 2.0Ah for compact packs. I think that the last I checked, the % capacity improvement from 2.0Ah to 2.5Ah and 4.0Ah to 5.0Ah was proportional to increase in cost.

I think that, the last time I checked, the jump to 6.0Ah results in higher cost per capacity gain.

3) Check HD and Acme - they often have bonus tool promos, and I think International Tool does too.

4) 2403 unless you will ever need to drill small holes into masonry.

5) Price it out both ways. As mentioned there are sometimes incentives to going with a kit or combo.
 

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If you don't desperately need them right this second, I'd hold off on buying the tools until a really good deal pops up. I got into them when you could buy a kit and get a free tool, which saved me a **** ton of money.

I think right now you can buy two bare tools and get two free batteries and a free bag.

M12 batteries are stupid cheap on eBay, like $25/each for the 2.0 and like $35-40 for the 4.0. You can also get empty cases and chargers cheap if you buy the bare tools but want the OEM cases to keep them in.
 

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I had both M12 and M18, I didn't feel the need to have both, as they overlap a decent amount in the size/power continuum. The size of the battery hanging off the bottom is different, yes, but the drills and whatever are nearly identical in size (if not longer for some tools).

If you do end up getting two battery platforms, I suggest doing Bosch 12v brushless stuff for tiny, yet grunty little tools. They're literally about half the size and weight of the equivalent M12 tool. And while the M12 and M18 "share" a charger, the charger doesn't charge simultaneously and you'll still need to buy different batteries for both anyways.
 
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I bought the hammer drill/drill (2704)and impact brushless M18 set a couple months ago. For the previous 20 years, I have been an almost exclusive user of Dewalt cordless tools, but needed a compact lightweight hammer drill for air travel where my toolbox needs to be under 50 pounds. 95% of the time I don't need the big drills or lots of power, but I do need a hammer drill for mounting large displays and I was tired of carrying my Hilti T-5 for 2 minutes of work each week. My set came with the 5Ah batteries, but I bought a couple of the 2Ah to further lighten my load.

Using the drills hard on the past 2 jobs, I have 2 major complaints and a couple "I wish the drill did or didn't do this" issues. For the work I do, I have to jump between bits and drivers 5 or 6 times an hour. About once a day, my chuck locks up so hard that I have to put the drill between my legs and use both hands to get it to unlock....I mean serious struggle. Once this week I even had to resort to a co-worker holding the handle, while I turned the chuck. Not sure the issue, but it was a big waste of time. I don't know the technology behind the hammer drill feature, so the comment above about the way these chucks are attached got my attention.

Just by coincidence, another team with my company was on an install nearby this week and I stopped over and was shown a new 20v Dewalt compact hammer drill/drill one of the guys just bought. I went Milwaukee only because I wasn't aware Dewalt now makes a similar compact model. The Dewalt felt good, was lighter and the controls are a little more familiar to me. I cannot be sure, but I think his came with smaller batteries and I doubt it has as much torque as the Milwaukee. I was telling this co-worker my chuck struggles and the very next day, I got a call asking if I could stop over and help him get his open too.....must be common problem for drills with this feature.

The other major complaint I have is the rubber selector ring is too easy to change. A couple times I have set the drill down on its side on carpet and the setting has changed to hammer. or drill. Maybe not a big deal for some, but I work around expensive computer and servers and being on the wrong setting can be a costly mistake.

I wish the charger was 18v only and more compact like the Dewalt design. I also like how the Dewalt charger is recessed, unlike the wings on the Milwaukee charger, which are more prone to being broken.

Overall I am very happy with the drill and just hope the battery life is similar to the years of service I have gotten from my Dewalts.
 

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By and large, if you are going with a 12 volt system, the Milwaukee M12 line has got the widest array of tools that can span a variety trades and uses.

I went with the M12 system because the had a a 2-Speed 1/4" hex with the same specs as their drill/driver and that they had a rotary tool. Those 2 tools alone were enough to justify any additional tool/battery purchases as I use the rotary and screwdriver enough to cycle the batteries enough week-in and week-out.

My M12 progression was: drill/driver, 2-speed screwdriver, rotary tool

Future M12 expansion: oscillating tool, Hackzall, impact wrench/driver, ratchet, circular saw
 
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I was a 100% air tool guy....until I got a deal on a 3/8 Snap On cordless impact a few months ago. After using that, it prompted me to get a 1/4" hex M12...then 1/4" impact M12....then M12 3/8 ratchet....then M12 lantern....and soon a speaker. I REALLY like the small size, power and seemingly endless variety.
I already have and am very happy with my bigger 19.2V Cman stuff, but if I ever go bigger it will be Milwaukee.
 

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Just got flyer from HD, The 2 piece M12 is $99 until they run out. 6/9/16 was when it was in the paper.
 

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I think they are slowly phasing out the regular M18/M12 charger and will only have the rapid one. I hope Milwaukee has done their due diligence and it is not hurting the cells. I have the 6 bay M12/M18 rapid charger and it is awesome & fast and sell all my extra chargers, I typically keep 1 M12 and 1 M18/12 charger, though at points I didnt have a single M18/12 cause I sold my last one.

I prefer the M12 2.0 battery and rarely use the larger ones, they have a compact 3.0 coming out soon.

Best to wait for the sale seasons (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Valentines, Memorial, Fathers, 4th July, Labor, etc) when places run good promos. Most of the Milwaukee free promos run on a quarterly basis. My rationale now is not buy anything that doesnt come with something for free.

I buy a mix of bare tools, single kits, multi kits. I just bought for example the M12 Fuel 5 3/8 Circular saw for $135 shipped and free XC 4.0 battery, sold it for $40 so its final cost was $95. I do not hesitate to buy a kit if I only want pieces because the rest sells regularly on CL, ebay, etc.
 

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I got that package with 2 1.5 & a 4.0 for the same price Black Friday a couple years ago. I like having the bigger battery for things that require a lot of drilling but I use a couple tools with 1.5s all day at work & they usually last a couple weeks. The bigger battery kinda defeats the purpose of having compact tools. I only have the xc batteries for my m18 tools but they aren't that heavy. The regular charger works plenty fast for me. I have the regular m12 drill & the m18 hammer drill which I rarely need but I like having it just in case.


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Thanks to everyone for your helpful information. I hope to pull the trigger during Father's Day and/or July 4 sales.

Anyone using the M18 Blower? I have the Craftsman C3 blower now and use it primarily to sweep dust and leaves out of the garage and to blow dust off of the cars. But, it's too big and way too loud. Hoping the M18 is much better.

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Anyone using the M18 Blower? I have the Craftsman C3 blower now and use it primarily to sweep dust and leaves out of the garage and to blow dust off of the cars. But, it's too big and way too loud. Hoping the M18 is much better.

DC

The available M18 Compact Blower is not, repeat, not a "Blow all the leaves in the yard into one pile --- Blower"...

It is a lightweight, fairly powerful blower...

It'll blow out your garage, shop, driveway, sidewalks, etc...

I use mine a lot, with the 4 AHr batteries, and it cleans 300 feet of sidewalk, a 24x26 garage, and about 750 sq ft of driveway...On one charge...

In my opinion --- IT'S A GUD'UN!!!
 

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It'll blow out your garage, shop, driveway, sidewalks, etc...

I use mine a lot, with the 4 AHr batteries, and it cleans 300 feet of sidewalk, a 24x26 garage, and about 750 sq ft of driveway...On one charge...

In my opinion --- IT'S A GUD'UN!!!

Thanks. That seals the deal. Sounds perfect for my needs.

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