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Need New Sump Pump Recommendations

59ctd

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Our Sump seems to have failed now after just 28 years old so I am looking for recommendations on the most reliable replacements. It it the style with pump motor vertical and impeller at the bottom and pipe fitting pointing straight up. Seeing recommendations for Zoeller and Goulds online. Anyone have any thoughts one way or another what is best for another 25+ years?
 
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PlanB

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The years you get out of it my depend on the water going through it...

Look for something heavy and avoid the liightweight models, they can kick around when they start. This can cause problems.

I have a Little Giant but its showing plenty of rust after 6 months, so I will be avoiding this brand in the future.

Maybe look at Burcam - i have no experience with these but have heard they're ok.
 

larry4406

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I can't find the specs on the ones we use in our homes right now.

They are 1/3-1/2 HP range and can pass 1/2" solids.

They also have a separate piggy back float switch; great for manually forcing the pump to run either in test mode or in anger. Without the piggy back float switch, you have to manually open the crock and lift the float to force it to run (PIA). I like being able to test at will.

We set our sump pumps on top of a paver stone or bricks on the bottom of the crock to create a sediment area below the pump as a precaution.

Read the manual on drilling the hole in the discharge pipe between the pump and the external check valve (typically 1/4" or so, hole located within the crock and below the lid). Allows column of water to drain down allowing easy start at next pump cycle (yes the pump will recirc some thru the hole back to the crock).

Don't skimp! Zoeller and Goulds are great brands.
 

Snakecharmer383

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My dad's basement has flooded 3 times within the last week. Flooding I mean about max 4-5". FD came first time to pump it out. Next time wasn't as bad so we handled it with a shop vac. Last night we got more rain and he called. As soon as I seen the phone ringing I knew what he was about to tell me. Arrived this morning and it was about 2" in the whole basement. I had just finished sucking up the carpet 2 days ago. My dad is 82 and I tried to explain to him several times about a sump pump, etc. Finally got him to agree to buy a sump pump. The floors are finished and it's clear water. I picked up HF Drummond on sale for $79.99. Going to connect the hose tomorrow morning and let it ****. Says it ***** up to 3/16" This rain has been crazy here.
 

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It won't all be done in my lifetime, but looking forward to the quiet. :cool:

My dad's basement has flooded 3 times within the last week.
I hope there is a low corner or other suitable place to dig a pit a couple feet deep and install a sump pump with a float switch. That’s WAY better than waiting for the whole floor to flood and pumping it out even if you can pump to within 3/16 of an inch.
 

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Dad don't want to spend the money to do a pit, etc. I explained the process to him. Honestly, at this point the whole basement (no one goes down there except for one room to do clothes) is a loss and will need totally redone. This has happen a few times in my lifetime but this is the most in this span of time. Last time was probably 15 yrs. ago. There are 3 rooms in basement and each has a low point so you can see the water collect at these points. If you don't catch it, you know what happens. This pump will be a band aid till I obtain the house and fix it correctly then.
 

MovingAlong

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Dad don't want to spend the money to do a pit, etc. I explained the process to him. Honestly, at this point the whole basement (no one goes down there except for one room to do clothes) is a loss and will need totally redone. This has happen a few times in my lifetime but this is the most in this span of time. Last time was probably 15 yrs. ago. There are 3 rooms in basement and each has a low point so you can see the water collect at these points. If you don't catch it, you know what happens. This pump will be a band aid till I obtain the house and fix it correctly then.

Owned a house with a wet basement decades ago. We did three things, two of which you might already do - but maybe not:

1) Regrade the yard so that everything slopes away from the house. We added dirt, maybe 10-12" against the house and sloped out about 4' or so.
2) Extend all gutters to keep water well away from the house. Last few houses have had 3" PVC drains that take the gutter downspouts to the street.
3) Drain tile, pit and sump pump. Busted up 16" wide trench, dug 16" deep along the two problem walls. Put six inches of gravel, then four inch perforated drain tile sloped to the pit more gravel on top and re-poured the floor.

For a brand of pump - would check with my local supply house and see what they stand behind. Even within a brand name, there are better pumps within the line. You want only the best.. Knowing the damage caused by failure, the idea of a primary pump with a secondary battery powered pump seems like a pretty reasonable thing.
 

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The weak point of a Zoeller m53 is the float switch.

Get a N53 and put your choice of piggy back float switch on it or a BN53 which come with a zoeller piggyback float switch.

Have a second float switch on hand
 
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59ctd

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I ended up ordering a Zoeller M98 sump pump to replace the one that failed. Will be here later this week. In the mean time I have my 1/6hp red lion backup pump out and ready to go if needed b4 the new pump is here
 
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I have used Zoeller for the past 20 years. It runs constantly during rain or snow melt. The actual pump have never failed but the switch has on numerous occasions. You can buy just the switch and swap it out. I usually get about two to three years from a switch before it fails and doesn't shut the pump off.
 

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"I have a Little Giant but its showing plenty of rust after 6 months, so I will be avoiding this brand in the future."

Years back they were great pumps, now they are poorly engineered. My last purchase was 4 years ago, the bearings froze up after a few days. Sent the particular model back twice with same issue, never again.
Ended up with a Zoeller.
 

Snakecharmer383

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Well I can say I don't recommend Drummond. Went to dad's this morning and no sucky. Tried different outlets all of which worked, different extensions cords, no extension cord, different water levels and nothing. Guess I'm lucky and got a defective unit. I even read the instructions to make sure I wasn't missing something. Can't do a refund at store so already completed the slip online for a refund. 8 weeks to wait though. Ended up sucking up with remaining water with the shop vac. What a waste of time, gas and effort dealing with this pump.
 

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I used Zoeller for years but the float and micro switch were the weak points. I then switched to Liberty pumps and have been very pleased. Using a liberty pump and a quality check valve makes having three crocks in my basement almost worry free.
 

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If you expect any water problems in the future, I recommend having something similar to this Ryobi transfer pump to handle the water if a sump pump fails.


What I like is that it runs off either Ryobi batteries or A/C power. When I'm working around standing water or in a hard rain, it feels a lot safer to start out with a battery powered pump, and then switch to A/C when I'm sure I can keep the pump away from the water.

I've used one of the older models of this pump to pump out a basement, clean out an excavation after a rain, etc. It comes with a short hose and filter for the suction side, and the output has the connection for a standard garden hose.
 
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59ctd

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New Zoeller M98 is hooked up and tested. The old pump was McDonald brand and was original to the house when we bought it new in 96 so it lasted 28 years which I think is quite good. I do recall adding a tether float style on-off in place of the old pump's built in float switch which only kept the pump on for a few seconds. I had the float switch adjusted so the sump basin would fill up far higher and pump till nearly empty. This reduced on-off cycles and maybe accounts for part of why the old pump lasted so long.

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Well I can say I don't recommend Drummond. Went to dad's this morning and no sucky. Tried different outlets all of which worked, different extensions cords, no extension cord, different water levels and nothing. Guess I'm lucky and got a defective unit. I even read the instructions to make sure I wasn't missing something. Can't do a refund at store so already completed the slip online for a refund. 8 weeks to wait though. Ended up sucking up with remaining water with the shop vac. What a waste of time, gas and effort dealing with this pump.
Consider the Wayne water bug. It’s a bit less nominal HP but worked great for clearing out my flooded basement numerous times. took it down to about 3/16” as stated. Assembled in USA too, if That means anything these days.
 
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