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TBridges

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First, I'd like to say that I have been lurking around this forum for a while as a non-member - primarily admiring all of the garage builds. I recently started paging through the tool section and, after some searching, I decided to join.

This might be long first post by myself but I am in need of some advice concerning my SK sockets that I have acquired over the past few years. To be upfront, I am your average shade-tree mechanic on the weekend. I enjoy working on my own vehicles (as many of us do) and when I started buying tools, I was looking to start my collection by buying premium tools for myself. My logic was that I wanted nicer tools than Craftsman offered, but less expensive than Snap-On.

Anyhow, I'll admit that I do really like my SK tools. They have held up great for what I do and always get the job done. After this past weekend preforming a strut job on my brother's Mazda, I landed up twisting my 1/2" to 3/8" adapter and went to Google to search for warranty information. It was in my search that I came across this forum again and read about SK quality control going down hill before the transition and restructuring process that occurred.

Following the reading of multiple threads, I decided to go out and inspect my sockets more closely than I ever had before and landed up having multiple concerns with my socket sets. My questions are primarily all about the finish of my sockets as I have so many differences between them. It might sound weird, but I never inspected my tools when I bought them. They arrived in plastic, I unwrapped and placed in my box. I truly never thought those tools would need to be inspected this closely.

Overall, the questions I have are: "What is a normal and what is not?", "What is covered under warranty and what is not?"

I know this sounds like something the company would best answer, but when I called SK, the best answer I received was 'Send them up and we will inspect them...' That's fine except knowing there is a 4-6 week turn around time doesn't thrill me. On top of this, I don't know of any SK dealers in the St. Louis and surrounding areas where I could go an exchange my sockets and/or compare to other make SK sockets.

Without any more to add, here are some pictures with descriptions and if anyone could give me some insight as to if my finishes are normal or in need to replacement under warranty, I would appreciate it greatly.

Concern 1: Lack of chrome finish where head of bolt makes contact with socket. My other smaller sockets are all finished with chrome in this area. Are larger sockets different in their finishing?
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Concern 2: Internal finish of socket. Normal to be this rough?
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Concern 3: Internal scratch (from factory) and the lack of chrome in the spot near the tip of the socket. It's like the chrome never adhered...
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Concern 4: Comparison of non-chromed internally vs. chromed finish where socket was broached (I think that's the term used...). The two sockets on left have the lack of chrome...
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Concern 5: Cracks where the head of a bolt makes contact with socket. The 'lip' or 'edge' of my smaller sockets have these cracks and I think it's a manufacturing defect. Not sure though...
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Concern 6: 'Wavy' or 'ruffles' in the chrome where socket was broached or stamped. The finish is a rough texture and my concern is the chrome flaking off the socket in the long run. Look at the third socket on right, 3 o'clock position. I have a few sockets like this...
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Concern 7: Rust. I'm pretty sure this is a lack of finish and this socket has never been used nor subjected to the elements to cause this. It has sat in my box since purchasing. I'm also sure it's under warranty to be replaced, but I thought I'd share.
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Concern 8: This socket's finish looks to be pretty darn good compared to the others. Is this a normal and proper SK finish?
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Again, thanks for any help or advice given. Just needing a little direction before I send my sockets off to a company and having to wait while they determine defects or not. I will say, in summary, that SK has been pretty good on the phone when I have called and their representative that I have talked to has been real helpful. I know, ultimately, they have to see the tool to determine if it's right or not, but I'd like to have some other opinions before proceeding.

Tom
 
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I do not like S&K sockets because the inner recess is so short!
 

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Most people here will tell you they are tools use them... Most of the time I agree especially with SK. SK is my favorite brand for the price... There are always "finish" issues with various tools. Personally I would use them till you found long term issues. THEN call SK up and ask for warranty claims. "CONCERN #4" Happens with a lot of different manufactures mostly "mid" range tools. Im a huge SK fan and most of these issues wouldnt bother me personally, but then again I buy most of my tools second hand and dont expect that shinny chrome to flash when I open the box.
 

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I'm not going to go through the OP's post point by point, but I will say...


Many USA made brands are not chromed on the inside of the socket. They have a coating, but they aren't chromed. I have had Craftsman, Williams and others that aren't chromed on the inside.

The Gearwrench sockets posted above should not be taken as an example of a "correct" socket to make the OP think his SK sockets are made wrong or poorly. Many sockets do not have chrome on the interior.
 
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I'm not going to go through the OP's post point by point, but I will say...


Many USA made brands are not chromed on the inside of the socket. They have a coating, but they aren't chromed. I have had Craftsman, Williams and others that aren't chromed on the inside.

The Gearwrench sockets posted above should not be taken as an example of a "correct" socket to make the OP think his SK sockets are made wrong or poorly. Many sockets do not have chrome on the interior.

+1. Your sockets look fine. I have many SK sockets (all made long before the alleged quality problems) and my sockets exhibit the same characteristics that yours do. In fact many of the older ones came with a very rough exterior finish (they were chromed, but not polished). SK has always made great tools for professional users who cared about performance more than appearance. They were made to be strong. If the the sockets are cracked, or the chrome is flaking, or even if the chrome is rusted on a new socket then warranty them. The interior finish does not matter.

For the record, I think SK would probably bend over backward to make you happy, but they shouldn't have to. As you said yourself you didn't think there was anything wrong with them until you read some of the nit picky post here. Don't let people get in your head. You've got some great tools, so use them and enjoy them.

BTW, even the Gearwrench sockets don't come with fully chromed inside in the deep versions.
 
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Thanks for the quick replies everyone. I'd like to reiterate that I am not unhappy with my sockets. They have done everything I have put them to the test to. It's like Buck said, I read some someone who nitpicked his tools and I did the same. When I saw various characteristics, I questioned it. I am not a tool expert, nor do I have the background in manufacturing to be able to distinguish when something was improperly made. Overall, I want a nice collection of tools that I can use for life, but I want to make sure all tools are up to par and correct.
 

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I read some someone who nitpicked his tools and I did the same. When I saw various characteristics, I questioned it.

I have noticed some posts where people who seem to not know what they're talking about bash SK for things that aren't even manufacturing defects.
 
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I have noticed some posts where people who seem to not know what they're talking about bash SK for things that aren't even manufacturing defects.

Very true on the internet. First rule was broken with me: don't believe everything! Thanks Stephen.
 

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Very true on the internet. First rule was broken with me: don't believe everything! Thanks Stephen.

I wasn't calling you out. Your questions were fairly normal for a new member.

Enjoy your SK tools! If they're anything like the ones I own, they'll work great for a long, long time.
 
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I wasn't calling you out. Your questions were fairly normal for a new member.

Enjoy your SK tools! If they're anything like the ones I own, they'll work great for a long, long time.

No worries! Never felt called out at all by your comments.
 

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I don't see many sockets with the splits on the inside, but I have two that exhibit the same. An old school Proto in 7/8" and a newer Proto in 3/8". Both have held up since I had them.

I bought both from a fellow who used them working on oil field equipment on site during his career that spanned some 30+ years. No idea how old they are, but I've had them for over 20 years.

I'd probably clean up the rust on the one socket you posted a pic of, but the rest I would use and not worry about it.

I use tools, as long as they function as they should, cosmetics are of little concern
 
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My advice is to interview the fasteners you use the sockets on to see how they feel about being touched by those defective sockets :lol:

Seriously, if you use them enough so that they're dirty on the inside, you'd never notice those flaws. As long as the sockets engage the fasteners without damaging the fasteners, I'd say there's not a problem but, I have low standards.

Wow, that prohibited tank member takes tool photographs almost as good as that israeli tank member we had.:bounce:
 

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I found an older SK 1/4" set in a metal box my dad has. They are probably over 25 years old. They have similar "flashing" that yours have. I think maybe it's the way the broach the socket. I have some tiny Craftsman "precision" nut drivers that look the same. Maybe it's a technique due to their small size.

Looks like those other sockets are about the same as current Craftsman in regards to chroming.
 

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Having a heavy coating of chrome on the inside working surfaces of a socket isn't necessarily a good thing. The working surfaces of a socket are subject to very high compressive stresses that could cause a thick chrome coating to flake away from the base metal. The flash coating on the inside is there just to provide corrosion resistance not to make it shinny and pretty like the outside.
 

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I like all the S-K Waynes/Lectrolite tools I have. I don't care about being shiny, impact sockets are dull black and they do what is intended of them. If they are broken, then by all means send them in. I am sure S-K needs to see how their ingrediants are holding up and if "tweaking" was in need.
 
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I just wanted to revive my old thread, briefly, to mention that since March, SK has handled my issued and resolved any issues I had. After posting here, I typed up a detailed Word doc describing the pictures I posted here along with my overall concern of longevity and quality, etc. About a week after emailing in my document, I received an email back from an SK rep stating that their manufacturing/finish engineer wanted to see all of my sockets I had concern with. I was given other instructions for mailing in my tools and away they went. Give or take 2-3 weeks later, I received a package on my door step with many of existing sockets as well as some new. The box also included a letter from their engineer describing the finishing process and how that related to the sockets I had. To be specific, he outlined each one of my concerns and explained it.

Now here's the catch, while there was technically nothing wrong with my sockets as far as inferiority or quality concerns, he did replace many of those sockets (all of the ones with a questionable finish) with new ones, which internal finish was much higher. Lastly he mentioned that he was going to look into changing the finishing process to add more nickel plating (I believe) on the internal finish to future sockets. He asked me to review and let him know what I thought of the replacements - terrific!

I emailed him a few weeks later and thanked him and their CS people for the help. I also wanted to post this last bit to let people know that SK went above and beyond what I expected to keep a customer happy. I realize that everyone has different opinions and feelings about tools, but SK has a customer for life as they treated me right. I will be adding more of their products to my tool chest in the future.
 

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It would be very interested in reading the letter they sent you if there's any way you could scan it and upload it.
 

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A love story with a happy ending.... Bring a tear to ones eye, does it not... :p

Seriously, that is epic customer service... I think I would be a big SK customer if
I lived in America, enjoy your tools, and post some pics when your toolbox is
over flowing with the stuff.
 

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My question is, if they sent out the new sockets in a timely manner with a fully written letter describing the process, why did it take you, and I quote:
"I emailed him a few weeks later"
to respond?

Josh
 

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I'd be surprised if SK really changes that much. It's all about money, not making good tools. My experience with SK warranty issues, similar to yours, was they sent back sockets that still had similar cosmetic issues. And this was all new stock replacements so don't say oh you bought old stock. I did get one which was chromed even on the inside, but the cutting of the detents is still too rough. I've switched to Proto now. Quality is better than SK but they don't chrome completely on the inside either.
 

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Happy ending, good deal. I'm glad to hear that the new Ideal-owned S-K is stepping up with their customer service (and quality control).
While I agree with cbracer somewhat (companies are in the business of making money), happy customers are important to ensure repeat business.
 
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