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Muggzy

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All I really know about welding, I learned in high school shop class. So I got this Lincoln stick welder a few years ago real cheap ($100?). I've been using it successfully with 1/8" and 3/16" general purpose rods for a variety of projects.



My question is what are all the extra settings for?
DC+ vs DC- vs AC. I've been using it set the way it is and only changing the amperage based on the thickness of the metal.

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Did you try the operators manual? I think this is it. If not, it still explains a little about the polarity settings. They correspond to certain types of welding sticks. Look at the chart on page B-2.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/imt237.pdf

Also, try a google search on "stick electrode chart". There are lots of charts out there and you're bound to find one that covers the electrodes you're using.
 
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Other than Tig, I haven't a/c welded in years. Other than special applications, you can do almost anything with DCEP.
I cut my teeth on an A/C only version of that same welder.

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Thanks to all.
Jim good, I have the pdf manual but it's specific to Lincoln rods without much if any advice on when to use them. Also don't have any of them.
Markg, that link was pretty helpful. At least giving many drawbacks to using AC and really only one case where it might be useful (arc blow).

It appears the answer to my question is that the settings are there to accommodate different rods that are available. That the best thing for me is to simply stick to buying 6010 or 6011 rods.


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In my experience, a novice welder should stick to a few basic rod types.

The first two (or three) numbers are the rated tensile strength of the weld material. 60 = 60,000 psi. 70 = 70,000 psi. 110 = 110,000 psi.

6011 - Very forgiving of contamination and technique. Nicknamed "Farmer Rod" for good reason, as it is excellent for repairs of mild steel in tough conditions and akward positons. It is very forgiving to rust and dirt in the base metal, but you should grind out as much of the contamination as possible in order to get the best weld. Once you get the hang of it, the puddle is very controllable. Often used for the first pass under stronger rod. It can be run DC+ or on AC. I use DC+. It leaves a light to moderate cover of slag that sometimes can be difficult to remove.

7018 - Stronger rod that is commonly used to weld low alloy steels. I find it easier to control than 6011, at least in making the weld bead look good. It is known as "Low Hydrogen" rod, meaning it is sensitive to hydrogen embrittlement from moisture contamination. You have to keep the rods in a sealed container, or bake them to drive any absorbed moisture out of the coating before use. It requires the joint to be clean for good results. Grind to clean, bare metal to be assured of a full-strength weld. Normally only used DC+, but you can buy 7018AC rod for use with an AC machine, if AC is all you have. The AC rod is more expensive than the regular version. It leaves a moderate cover of slag that often is easily removed. If the slag is too hard to remove, it is a symptom of a possibly poor weld.

7024 - This rod is good for welding in the horizontal position only. It does poorly in other positions, leading to the nickname "Mud Rod." It has a very rapid deposit rate, and the proper technique is to apply the tip of the rod to the joint letting the arc consume the rod, rather than moving the rod along the joint. It makes a pretty weld if done right, very similar to innershield MIG. It is very easy to use and make a pretty weld, if you can positon your joint to take advantage of it. It leaves a large cover of slag that is easily removed - it often pops off by itself!

These three rods will cover just about anything a non-professional welder might need. 7018 is as easy or easier to use than 6010, and produces a stronger weld. Unless you are doing a lot of welding, the difference in cost of the better rods should not be significant.

Your local welding supply can furnish specific directions for the rod that they sell to you. Most rods will have the industry designation somewhere on the label, sometimes in very small print. Ask the salesman about the designations, appliations, and directions for use.

That Lincoln is a very capable welder within its capacity. I used one to weld 1" mild steel plate, using multiple (many!) passes, and it did a good job. That was 26 years ago, and I just used the bulldozer again this week!
 

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Dc+ for your usual stick welding. There are stick rods out there that use AC. Some 7018 is specifically made for this. The DC - would be used for tig welding. All you need is a tig torch, argon, flow meter, and current adapter and you can scratch start tig on carbon and stainless steel.
The big difference in DC+ vs DC - is the heat balance. DC + will have 2/3 heat in the electrode and 1/3 of it in the work. Switch polarity and switch the ratio. This is why ppl will tell you to run DC - to butter up a big gap so you can get some metal to weld to. You will have to grind out any weld put in that way but it works in a pinch. Also you can see this if you ever fire up a tig torch on DC+ and watch the tungsten melt off rapidly.
AC/DC splits the heat 50/50 as it pulses back and forth. These are all reasons why you must make sure your using the right rod or the right polarity if you were talking about mig welding solid vs flux core wire
 

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You use DC+ to TIG weld, only time you use DC- is to ball a tungsten to weld aluminum with AC.

If you weld with 6010 you use DC-, will help the rod dirty through less than perfect surface prep. I usually weld 7018 in DC+, but it will weld with AC. 6011 is a AC version of 6010.

6010 is a great rod to learn to weld with, you learn how to whip the electrode. 7018 is more of a drag rod.

The welder is a nice welder, as old as it is, looks like might have copper windings not aluminum like current Lincolns
 
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$100 for an AC/DC Lincoln that works? Good deal there, usually a used AC-only Lincoln tombstone welder goes for about $100, give or take.

Next. RTFM. :D Go to Lincoln's, or Miller's, or Hobart's, or ESAB's websites and look up info about "stick welding". Tons of good info out there.

Some rods can be run with AC, some are really DC only though. Sometimes you want AC (rod or running into electrical/magnetic issues such as "arc blow"), and some times you want DC+ and sometimes DC-.

RTFM. :beer:

example:

6010 is a DCEP rod with a cellulose-sodium flux coating rated to be run in 'any' position, 6011 is a 'similar' rod with a cellulose-potassium flux coating rated to be run in 'any' position made to run on AC or DCEP, 6022 is a titania-sodium flux coated rod rated to be run in the flat or horizontal positions only and made to run on AC or DCEN. All those rods are made to produce weld deposits meeting certain metallurgical and mechanical properties, including a minimum tensile strength of 60 ksi and a minimum yield strength of 48 ksi (per the AWS electrode classification standards).
 

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You use DC+ to TIG weld, only time you use DC- is to ball a tungsten to weld aluminum with AC.

If you weld with 6010 you use DC-, will help the rod dirty through less than perfect surface prep. I usually weld 7018 in DC+, but it will weld with AC. 6011 is a AC version of 6010.

6010 is a great rod to learn to weld with, you learn how to whip the electrode. 7018 is more of a drag rod.

The welder is a nice welder, as old as it is, looks like might have copper windings not aluminum like current Lincolns

DC- is the correct choice for TIG welding carbon, stainless, inco, etc. yes you do use AC for aluminum.
 

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Leave the machine set where it is and just start burning rods. If you must adjust something, modulate the amperage.

DCEP (+) is primarily used for stick welding
DCEN (-) is primarily used for tig welding
AC is seldom used for stick welding

I don't think so, tell me all your education and experience welding.

It is, you're wrong. Don't care what education or experience you have.
 
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You use DC+ to TIG weld, only time you use DC- is to ball a tungsten to weld aluminum with AC.

If you weld with 6010 you use DC-, will help the rod dirty through less than perfect surface prep. I usually weld 7018 in DC+, but it will weld with AC. 6011 is a AC version of 6010.

6010 is a great rod to learn to weld with, you learn how to whip the electrode. 7018 is more of a drag rod.

The welder is a nice welder, as old as it is, looks like might have copper windings not aluminum like current Lincolns

I don't think so, tell me all your education and experience welding.


You bet, I have an associates degree in metal fab from the University of Montana in addition to being a graduate apprentice of the Internstional Brotherhood of Boilermakers. I currently hold 6g tube certs with 12 industrial contractors such as Alstom and Babcock & Wilcox. As far as experience I have spent the last 8 years traveling across the western states rigging and pressure welding at refineries and power plants. Mostly coal fired boilers. Last job was a superheater replacement at Comanche power plant in Pueblo Colorado. Most welds were P91 and P92 open root TIG out with purge. P91 and P92 are often referred to as 9chrome in slang but are not.
I appreciate you asking my credentials as we do not know one another. I'm sorry if this come off pompous or arrogant. Just wanted you to know I am a professional and you can trust me on this topic.
 

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My rod choice today is, 6011 in 1/8 and 7018 in 3/32 and 1/8. Turn it up 1 setting for the 11 and the smaller 18. Used to be on old power supplies had to have it on 90 on occasion to make it sizzle.
 
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Leave the machine set where it is and just start burning rods. If you must adjust something, modulate the amperage.

DCEP (+) is primarily used for stick welding
DCEN (-) is primarily used for tig welding
AC is seldom used for stick welding



It is, you're wrong. Don't care what education or experience you have.

Disagree on the AC stick............the typical AC buzz box has been a stick welding main stay for 75 years. Often the lower cost simple machines had no polarity choice or options.
 

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that a damn good machine, never get rid of it. get you some 1/8 7018, crank that puppy up to 115 amp dc, and have some fun, that machine will burn the hell out of 7018
 

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Disagree on the AC stick............the typical AC buzz box has been a stick welding main stay for 75 years. Often the lower cost simple machines had no polarity choice or options.

In the same fashion if I didn't have a car I would ride a bicycle everywhere. And at very specific times that bicycle may be more useful than the car but for the vast majority of the time no. ;)
 
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