Need to remove handle on Hein Werner Model M for shipping.

[an8pilot]

Good Morning fellas,


I am on a flight today to Newark (my base), then on to Boston Tues morning, after spending the night in Newark Crew Lounge, just to go to Boston tomorrow to pick up a Hein Werner Model M jack instead of going home to JAX today, Monday.

I think I need to remove the jack handle on the Hein Werner Model M to be able to have it lay flat on a pallet for shipping on a passenger plane in the belly.

All I know at the moment is it is 16 inches wide at the casters, 9 inches tall, and 47 inches long so it will fit on the standard pallet at the shipping dock.

I'll have to rent a car to pick it up in Boston 30 minutes west of BOS in Stow Mass, (not Stowe Vt.) and get tools at an auto parts store to take the handle off.

Only I have not looked that close at this model of chassy in a while.

Does anyone here have pictures of how to get the handle off or know what tools needed to get the handle off?

It may be just two C clips and the valve actuator might be able to be disassembled at the universal joint ..... I hope.

I'll search around in here for pictures but if anyone has that model around in their garage I would be grateful for pointers.

I would have had the answers before this trip but it was a last minute call out that I was not ready for.

 

[Roberts210]

I don't have an M, but I do have a couple of vintage H-W jacks, and both of them secure the handle in the same way. See the two little pins sticking up from the casting that the handle fits into? Those are spring loaded, and if you press them toward the middle of that casting, the pivot pins will retract, allowing the handle and casting to be removed from the jack.

 

[an8pilot]

Thank you I hope it is the same on the Model M

 

[123Go]

I've set out twice to remove my HW model M handle but gave up both times. If its handle is easily removable I sure missed it? You may need to strap it to the bottom of the plane because the M model is closer to 90" laid flat...lol Ya' 90", its a long sucker.

I had the tools & time on the second attempt I made on it & I don't give up easy. Well' I gave up after 30 minutes or so after seeing how its attached and we let the handle hang out the trunk with a flag. I tried twisting the handle tube out with a big pipe wrench on both my M's but mine won't budge?
Its handle was simply not made to remove easily believe it or not.
Not saying it wont come off but it ain't easy is all.
Its handle will not fold forward, it only lays down backwards or stands up "period".
Please let me know if you figure out an easy way to remove it. Best of luck with it they are great jacks, have a nice flight and Merry Christmas!

PS-
I drove about 75 miles to buy two M's. Had I not borrowed my neighbors dodge Mini Van I'd been sol because I almost drove my SUV there, just no way they'd ever fit in it had I drove it.

 

[Roberts210]

Cut it and then get it welded later?

 

[an8pilot]

Thanks.

I got the handle off and shipped it air freight on a pallet.

Took 30 minutes to finagle the handle off.

The two pins don't push in they pull out after removing allen screws in the main lower handle forging. There were two holes for the allen key screws. One on left one on right on to of handle forging when handle laid down to ground. On top in each of the two holes, there is one allen key screw on each side. Remove it and you think you got it but no, look down in the two holes left gaping and there is another allen key screw down in the bottom of each hole. Remove those and I then worked the two main big pins out of the sides of 5e chassy.

So two holes for allen key screws, and then another two allen key screws below each top screw, for four total screws.

Then the two pins, one left, and one right, do not push in, but pull out. I used channel locks rotating them them left and right till working them out.

Removed the two bar strap pieces of metal flat plate 5/16 thick by 1 1/4 wide attaching to the high pressure ram rear piston end removed by removing two circlips and the two straps fall off.

Then turned the handle forging vertical to put the low pressure large piston pin vertical after removing its circlips, and then used a flat face pin punch to push the low pressure large piston connection pin out, at the rear of the low pressure large piston.

Handle removed. Drained oil.

Tied pistons so they wouldn't push out in low atmospheric pressure of 7500 or so altitude of cabin pressure.

Bagged the small pieces and the Cargo department of the passenger airline I fly for plastic wrapped the chassy and handle onto a pallet diagonally to ship in the belly. 38.50 USD
Rental car 47.50 Very nice Model M in very good shape 150.00

Overnight in sleeping bag in crew lounge. Twice. Worth it.

Replacement trash of todays supposed like replacement. $4500.00, yeah, forget that.

BOS to JAX Mission accomplished. Picture of components description later.

 

[Roberts210]

Attaboy! I knew you'd figger it out.

 

[123Go]

Glad you gotter home.. Love my M..
It will be worth all your effort without question... Thanks for letting us know how it comes off. I could see it was more effort for sure and unless I really needed mine off I wasn't doing it yet. Its just crazy being as long as it is they really should have made it come off more easier like other makers did. Not an easy jack to transport without a truck by any means.

 

[roblouvasz]

Good to hear. I have 4 of the type Ms.

 

[Cruzan80]

Hoping someone can help shed some more light on this. Got an M home a couple of days ago, and am trying to remove the handle. Basing the numbers off the pdf found at https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/heinwernermfloorjack2ton.pdf.
I got the two hex head set screws (9) out of the lower casting (only one on each side for mine, shined a light down to double check). What I am having trouble with is what I think is part 44 (chassis) "Fork Pin", going into 24 (chassis) "Handle Bushing". It seems like the small ends of 44 go into 1 (handle) "Release Rod Hanger". I did already free up 45 (Unit) "Release Gear w/GA 446 Pin". On mine, I did not see 46 (Unit) "Jam Nut", but rather used a punch from the backside of 1 (handle) "Release Rod Hanger".

What is the best way to get the "Fork Pins" out? One of them is proud just a wee bit, and the other one is pretty much flush. I tried to use a punch on the inside, but the angle formed by "Release Rod Hanger" means I am trying to drive it from a 45 deg angle.

 

[123Go]

Hoping someone can help shed some more light on this. Got an M home a couple of days ago, and am trying to remove the handle. Basing the numbers off the pdf found at https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/heinwernermfloorjack2ton.pdf.

Sorry Cruzan80 like I said I gave up before getting mine off, being yrs ago idk what all I took off even. My ol' memory is long gone buddy..
Maybe an8pilot will chime in or you could PM him to see if he can help out. He succeeded within a short time frame where I gave up after 10 minutes or less..lol We decided to see if it fit in in my brothers trunk and it actually did, but' had it not fit we'd certainly got it off because there was no way my brother was going home without it after he tried it out once. They are so nice! Well' until you have to transport one.. Grrrrr!!

 

[Cruzan80]

Thanks for the bump. Right now the two options are to weld a point on the outside to grab, or drill/thread and use a slide hammer. Been on the back burner due to other things taking priority.

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[123Go]

Its like no one involved in the design at HW even thought about the transportation of the M series.
Personally speaking I'd chewed someone's **** if they brought the thing to my desk expecting my okay.
Things look a lot better on paper but why they actually allowed it to be manufactured in this mannor is shocking. No reason it shouldn't break down much easier.

 

[Cruzan80]

Finally got to this jack (been sitting in a pile for a while). After talking with Hiball via PM, decided to try and take one side off, to make it easier to get at everything. Success! One arm pin is completely out, and have easy access to the other. Now to clean everything up, paint the parts than need it, and dig into rebuilding the pump (after I clean it off).

 

[123Go]

Glad to see your getting it redone. Its worth all the hard work & money no doubt, I just love my M. Its never failed to lift fast & high or lower down super duper sloooow either one! Smoooth as butter!
D@#n Handle being such a hassle to remove is my only complaint in all my yrs of owning it but I rarely take it anyplace & own trucks if I do.
You'll love it more each & everyday you use it, well if it don't need transported by car. Grrrr!
Please put link/info on here for any step by steps on your rebuild. Last time I looked online I never found chit on M's & owners need both in/out pics on these jacks. Someday we may all need to tear ours down & will appreciate finding any info left by others.
Anyway I sure hope everything comes out perfectly.

If you Paint-
GM Hugger Orange (the more Red of the Chevy/Mopar 60/70's Orange engine paints) was a good match.
Been a while but it if memory serves me it was a tics turd more red but a much nicer orange no doubt. I do remembèr I couldn't locate it in the engine paint that day so I bought clear coat engine paint to put over regular Hugger orange so oil/gas/grease etc didn't lift my paint off easy. Used it since my jacks arent garage ornaments, I use them pretty hard at times.
Farm stores sell Hugger in an implement paint that is tough as nails, I've used it on my tractors for yrs without issues. Takes a day or two longer to cure if anyone uses it but great paint.
Always best to sand & use a primer regardless of paint used folks.
Your saddle looks orange in pic, both my M jacks had a very bright white saddles. I kept mine White to help me line it up better in dark areas underneath cars. Thats why most jack corps use a bright yellow/white/etc on their saddle. It does help...

You'll absolutely love this thing & be looking at it for many yrs to come so paint it your way!

Fyi- I like how you can lock its handle in a straight up position.
Place a foot on its rear frame under its handle/base.
Push straight down with your foot while pulling its handle backward & the jacks front-end lifts off the ground, this allows very easy turns/spins 180° of the jack like it weighs nothing.
So its the most maneuverable jack I ever had, especially for a long frame. The rear wheels are closer to its center & being its lighter than my Weaver, even easier to roll around than my short much lighter weight Lincoln 2 tons the M is my go to jack for sure. Sorry long, hope it helps somebody somewhere...
Peace!