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PJorgen

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Long story short - bought a home, previous owner installed a mini-split. I checked the wiring to the outdoor unit, found that its nm-b in conduit. Thanks to this forum I know that's not permitted, so I will replace it.

Its a 240v 30a circuit with about a 15' run. I assume I want 10AWG, black, red and green, is that correct? Do I want THHN or THWN, stranded or solid?

Thanks in advance for your advice!
 
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You want stranded copper with THHN/THWN or XHHW-2 insulated conductors. The "W" is for wet invironments, which exterior conduit is considered to be.

For ampacity of the conductors required, read the nameplate....MCA = ? MCA = minimum circuit ampacity. The maximum over-current protection (MOP) should be next to MCA. This value determines the max cb rating or possibly fuse rating.

Post pic of nameplate.
 
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I bet the circuit is oversized, unless this is a 3 ton unit. Curious what the nameplate says.

You probably won't be able to find wire with only a thhn rating... It will all be dual rated thhn/thwn by default. Xhhw will likely be the same price and for this application, will work exactly the same

Stranded will be a lot easier to work with.

A disconnect is cheap, about $15-20. From that to the unit, you can just buy a sealtite whip that will have the right wire, conduit and fittings, just need to select the right wire gauge based on the nameplate
 
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There is a disconnect already in place. The mini-split replaced an existing AC unit.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
 

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There is a disconnect already in place. The mini-split replaced an existing AC unit.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
So it's just the wiring from the disconnect to the unit? Is there flex conduit?

If so, pull out the NM-B and replace with thwn. Easy peasy

Kill rhe power first, at the breaker
 

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So it's just the wiring from the disconnect to the unit? Is there flex conduit?

If so, pull out the NM-B and replace with thwn. Easy peasy

Kill rhe power first, at the breaker
Some schmuck probably popped out of the back of the panel and ran Romex filled PVC to the disconnect. I hope nobody is that stupid that they would go from the disconnect to the unit with PVC. Would they? I wouldn't have cared enough to check what is in the conduit at my own place, because, well, I don't care. And I'd just have yet another known code violation on my hands.
 
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So it's just the wiring from the disconnect to the unit? Is there flex conduit?

If so, pull out the NM-B and replace with thwn. Easy peasy

Kill rhe power first, at the breaker
Yes, exactly that, flex conduit from the disconnect to the unit. Will definitely shut off the power at the breaker and will use THWN.
 
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I agree, but it is what it is. I also realize people like to ***** on the internet without adding value.
 
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Dude, the real electricians that were helping you weren’t busting your balls. They were poking fun at who ever did your original installation.
DUDE - I understand that, but they had no idea what the situation was and provided no useful info. The original install was done correctly, with the disconnect next to the A/C unit. The mini-split retro fit took advantage of the existing electrical and ran conduit to the mini-split, which was about 8' feet away.
NEC 420.102 requires the disconnect to be within sight of the unit. Eight feet is clearly within sight and certainly easily reachable. Why poke fun at someone they don't know, for no reason? BTW, the "real electricians" as you call them did not answer my questions.

And no justsam, no 120v service nearby. Why do you ask?
 

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DUDE - I understand that, but they had no idea what the situation was and provided no useful info. The original install was done correctly, with the disconnect next to the A/C unit. The mini-split retro fit took advantage of the existing electrical and ran conduit to the mini-split, which was about 8' feet away.
NEC 420.102 requires the disconnect to be within sight of the unit. Eight feet is clearly within sight and certainly easily reachable. Why poke fun at someone they don't know, for no reason? BTW, the "real electricians" as you call them did not answer my questions.

And no justsam, no 120v service nearby. Why do you ask?
Nobody poked fun at you. At all

You are completely misreading this
 

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The question was answered in post #2. Apparently that wasn't good enough so I will answer it again, hopefully with a little more detail. You want THWN, the W stands for wet. Good luck finding straight THWN though, you will be much better off if you look for THHN/THWN or THWN2. I don't know what size you need because you failed to post a picture of the name plate even though it was requested at least two times. #12 would probably be fine, but since it already has #10, go ahead and use that and you will be covered for sure. You also want to use stranded wire. You need a ground wire, which is green. You will also need two hot colors. Those can be any combination of black, red, blue, brown, orange, yellow, pink, or purple, you can use two of the same color if you would like. Do not, under any circumstances, use white or gray.

Also, since it turns out that the 15' run to the AC is not the feed from the panel to the disconnect, but actually an 8' whip from the disconnect to the unit, you can do whatever you like, but I would run a piece of conduit out the bottom of the disconnect, turn a 90° bend towards the unit and when a couple of feet away from it, adapt to flex so you don't have an 8' run of kinked up flex running to it which will look like **** and no matter how pretty you make it now, will look like **** all over again after a few days in the sun. But, it's not my house and I didn't have anything to do with the install so you can do whatever you like. Also, I'm not sure how you came up with the estimation of 15' of wire in post #14. If the whip is exactly 8' long, you will need 8' of wire in it, but you will also need approximately 1' more on each end for make up amounting to about 10' each. Looks to me like you will need 20' of hot conductor and 10' of ground so if you go to Home Depot and have them cut you off a 15' piece of wire, you're gonna have to go back.

You might also have too large of a breaker in place. If someone used the old AC circuit for the mini split it's very likely that the proper sized breaker wasn't installed, but the information needed to determine that was left out. It will require a picture of the name plate and you will also have to disclose the size of the existing breaker in order for anyone to make that determination.

The reason for the question about the 120 volt receptacle is because the NEC requires a 120 volt receptacle within either 15 or 25 feet of the unit, I don't remember which and to be honest, don't care enough to look it up.

How's that?
 
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So you want help but you don't provide the needed info.
How hard is it to take a Pic or 2 or nameplate and current installation?

While everyone is waiting for the needed info from you, people are just goofing around.
Lighten up, it's free info. SMH.
 
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