american lockpicker
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I need 2 cordless drills a 18V 1/2" Cordless drill and a 9.6V 3/8" Cordless drill. I want something made in Europe but will consider a Mexican made Dewalt. What are my options. Also I want to pay under $600 USD a piece.
Needed 2 cordless drills
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TheGrooveking
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Why two different voltages?
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benjamming
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Meeting your price point should be easy. Heck, even Festool T15 is $575.
What battery tech do you require? Used in woodworking, construction environment, etc.?
Does the made in Europe include the chuck, drill, battery, & charger, just the drill, or what?
What battery tech do you require? Used in woodworking, construction environment, etc.?
Does the made in Europe include the chuck, drill, battery, & charger, just the drill, or what?
OP
american lockpicker
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No idea, my list of tools needed for locksmithing has both so thats what I'm getting. I assume I could get by with the 18V but at least this way I'll have a back up.
I would prefer it all be made in Europe like a festool but I'll settle for the drill being made there and preferably the chuck
this Bosch for example . Around $270.-
OP
american lockpicker
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Yep I've been hunting for one of those for a while. I have a feeling I might have to import that one.
I got one of the se from my SS no.2. I don't know what the price is but I use it at work everyday and love it. Nice compact size, good power for the size, reasonable battery life.
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/R92008-Fuego-Drill/EN/index.htm
It was a gift so I don't know what the cost of the kit is.
jerry
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/R92008-Fuego-Drill/EN/index.htm
It was a gift so I don't know what the cost of the kit is.
jerry
rickairmedic
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Although I just got a pile of Dewalt myself ( they were less than half off ) . I would say buy any battery tool you need from Ridgid. They have a full lifetime warranty ( battery , tool , charger all of it ) . Heres a list of Ridgid tools and supposedly the best prices on them .
http://www.best-price.com/search/landing/query/Ridgid+Tools/s/google/cv/403813/adid/443075/
Rick
http://www.best-price.com/search/landing/query/Ridgid+Tools/s/google/cv/403813/adid/443075/
Rick
Metabo LTX BS18
(not mine)
or if you want to import a drill you also could consider swiss made "Kress" drills like this Kress 180 AFB 2.6
or
this "Protool" drill with up to 3800 RPM !!! You can attach all Protool and Festool "Centrotec" accessoires.
....if money is no issue.......
(not mine)
or if you want to import a drill you also could consider swiss made "Kress" drills like this Kress 180 AFB 2.6
or
this "Protool" drill with up to 3800 RPM !!! You can attach all Protool and Festool "Centrotec" accessoires.
....if money is no issue.......
OP
american lockpicker
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Prices please. The limit is at $600 a piece now but I could consider up to $1000.
comedyman809
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for a grand for a cordless drill you can probably have just about any drill in the world except aybe a space drill.
i like the bosch.
and milwaukee. both are made in china just like most of everything you may have thought is made elsewhere.
some stuff may be european but not much. but im sure in your price range you can have anything.
i like the bosch.
and milwaukee. both are made in china just like most of everything you may have thought is made elsewhere.
some stuff may be european but not much. but im sure in your price range you can have anything.
$ 1000.- ?? you`re kidding ?? 
The 18 Volt Protool Drill ( DRC 18-4 TEC LI ) cost 553,35 €
(BUT it`s made in czech republic)
Here a link to a english Protool website: click
(In Australia it only cost 477€)
The 18 Volt Kress drill with 1.5 AH cost 296.31€ and with 2.6AH 439.11€
(BUT the chuck is from San Ou afaik)
or
you could buy one of these "Fein Accu Tec" screwdrivers.....
currently on sale for just 565.-€ instead of 641.-€...... + v.a.t. ........
The 18 Volt Protool Drill ( DRC 18-4 TEC LI ) cost 553,35 €
(BUT it`s made in czech republic)
Here a link to a english Protool website: click
(In Australia it only cost 477€)
The 18 Volt Kress drill with 1.5 AH cost 296.31€ and with 2.6AH 439.11€
(BUT the chuck is from San Ou afaik)
or
you could buy one of these "Fein Accu Tec" screwdrivers.....
currently on sale for just 565.-€ instead of 641.-€...... + v.a.t. ........
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sberry
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I agree, at least get 2 drills the same. Who made up that tool list? And no real reason to spend a grand on a single drill when there are acceptable options, the idea with tools is to make money not pitch it at them. I would get sawzall and cut off grinder too, great for locksmith work.
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american lockpicker
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Ok, I think I'll go with that. Just out of curiosity can I use another brand chuck with it or not(not a dealbreaker just wondering)?
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When I bought my Bosch 18v they were still built in either Switzerland or Germany - but that was back when the 18v system was ni-cad. Don't know if any part of the Bosch lith-ion 18v systems are actually built in Europe any more but they would still be on my short list to consider.
I've always thought the Festool system was overpriced, but they make really nice tools and you do get a lot for the money. If you're not hurting for cash give them a look and see how they feel to you.
I'm not necessarily against any of the more exotic drills mentioned above but it is convenient to be able to buy a spare battery locally at the big box or get a repair done without having to ship it somewhere far, far away...
You also need to look at the drill as just the first part of a system. It's nice if whatever system you buy into has other tools that share the same battery and chargers even if you are only going to buy the drill now.
I'd really only consider a system that includes an impact driver, a reciprocating saw and (if possible) an angle drill or angle impact. Other pieces will depend on what you need.
For the "9.6v" part of your "buy list" - I'd instead look at the ultra compact 12v lith-ion, the tiny palm-sized Bosch or Milwaukee kits are sweet - just get the quick-change impact rated drill bits.
With this combo if you are drilling all day you've got the big heavy drill for endurance and the ultra compact when you just need to shoot a few holes and drive a couple of screws or lags without wearing your arm out.
-Mike
I've always thought the Festool system was overpriced, but they make really nice tools and you do get a lot for the money. If you're not hurting for cash give them a look and see how they feel to you.
I'm not necessarily against any of the more exotic drills mentioned above but it is convenient to be able to buy a spare battery locally at the big box or get a repair done without having to ship it somewhere far, far away...
You also need to look at the drill as just the first part of a system. It's nice if whatever system you buy into has other tools that share the same battery and chargers even if you are only going to buy the drill now.
I'd really only consider a system that includes an impact driver, a reciprocating saw and (if possible) an angle drill or angle impact. Other pieces will depend on what you need.
For the "9.6v" part of your "buy list" - I'd instead look at the ultra compact 12v lith-ion, the tiny palm-sized Bosch or Milwaukee kits are sweet - just get the quick-change impact rated drill bits.
With this combo if you are drilling all day you've got the big heavy drill for endurance and the ultra compact when you just need to shoot a few holes and drive a couple of screws or lags without wearing your arm out.
-Mike
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The list was likely written back when an 18v drill was way too big and heavy to drag around all day or was simply overkill for a light task. Most trades (electricians, maintenance, etc...) always had a 7.2 or 9.6v which was smaller and lighter for everyday stuff but didn't have enough umph for bigger jobs.
Hold even a current lith-ion 18v drill over your head for a half-hour and you'll see why the smaller drill is also on the list.
So you'll probably end up having both in the van along with some monster corded 1/2" or 3/4" drill that only gets (reluctantly) dragged out once and a while.
-Mike
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metal1313
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this may sound weird but i dont think i would use a tradesman who had a several hundred dollar cordless drill. even though i love pretty much everything festool, unless there is a massive client base or lots of frequent high dollar jobs spending that kind of money is pretty crazy. personally i would look more towards a good, but standard priced drill, and hell if your willing to say i want the best so i only have to spend the money once, that i understand, but all power tools can fail when you need them, so a lesser cost drill might afford a back up.
now as that said, i do like the metabo drivers but cant justify the cost, and my ridgid has served me extermely well, as has the impact, and the compact drill.
now as that said, i do like the metabo drivers but cant justify the cost, and my ridgid has served me extermely well, as has the impact, and the compact drill.
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comedyman809
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neverenoughtools
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Note;
My cordless batteries were either dead or dying on my various drills.....and I decided to go with Ridgid (18 volt), after learning that they offered a lifetime warranty at no extra $. I have had them for about two years so far and also have the 12 volt drill as Jerry indicated. It is powerful & compact.
My cordless batteries were either dead or dying on my various drills.....and I decided to go with Ridgid (18 volt), after learning that they offered a lifetime warranty at no extra $. I have had them for about two years so far and also have the 12 volt drill as Jerry indicated. It is powerful & compact.
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Thats one of the reason I want it also I like high quality tools.
Maybe $1000 is too much for a drill or other electric tool but i think 200 to 500$ (depending on the tool) is ok if you really want good quality and "more value" like the Festool "Centrotec" system, precise corded drills with taper spindle from "Fein" or circular saws from "Mafell" which are the "Cadillacs" or rather the "Maybachs" of its categories.
@american lockpicker:
i think only this chuck works because of the quick release system.
[ps: the old grey and black Panasonics are from Mexico the new 14.4V Li-Ion from China (at least assembled they say)]
@american lockpicker:
i think only this chuck works because of the quick release system.
[ps: the old grey and black Panasonics are from Mexico the new 14.4V Li-Ion from China (at least assembled they say)]
speed bump
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I hate to tell you but they all break and they all need new batteries(batteries usually all last about the same anyway) so buy a tool that you can get batteries while on call. Seriously losing a $75/hour service call (not including trip charge and parts markup) because one of your batteries died and the other one you used up at the first job is no fun at all. Also really expensive drills make good targets for thieves.
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First guy on a job I ever saw using one of those weird-looking Festool drills around here was Tommy Silva - some time before he was pimpin' the line on Ask This Old House. Based on the rest of his crew's kit though I wouldn't necessarily categorize him as a "luxury" tool buyer.
Besides I can't say most customers give a flying fig what sort of tools you use as long as you get the job done fast, well and (of course) as "economically" as possible.
Now show up to give an estimate or the first day of work in an expensive luxury suv or a restored antique sports car and that seems to really upset them.
cordless tools are not a lifetime buy, unlike hand tools or corded tools which can be. there is really no reason to spend $1000 on 2 drills. Hell $500 bucks on two drills will get you some damn good stuff. With cordless stuff the batteries will give up on you eventually no matter how much you spend. And usually 3-5 years down the road when you do need to get new batteries guess what new technology is out and your stuff is now obsolete. You can then buy replacement batteries or just get a new set which is better then what you got for the same price.
I view cordless tools as having a limited lifetime, that being the case it makes no sense to drop big bucks on them. Buy solid contractor grade stuff and it'll do what ever you ask of it.
I view cordless tools as having a limited lifetime, that being the case it makes no sense to drop big bucks on them. Buy solid contractor grade stuff and it'll do what ever you ask of it.
sberry
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Yes, I agree with this. For professional installation work where time is money you need good drills, I have the V28 stuff and it has been super. Lots of power, used my corded drill on a heavy job the other day, first time in years it has been out of the drawer. The new stuff is really revolutionary and I don't mind the weight, good trade off for speed and power.
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benjamming
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One way it makes sense is if COO is important or not. It is with me so a Metabo ($250-300)cordless drill is the avenue I took.
Of topic but pick this setup up if you haven't yet.
http://cgi.ebay.com/HPC-Locksmith-T...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5631e2f2b1