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lametec

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So I'm not supposed to get myself wrapped around the work piece? Well shoot, I've been doing it wrong all these years!

The moment I saw him close his hand around the piece, I knew the accident wasn't far away.
 

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The first thing we earned in intro to machine was no loose clothing.

This is a great reminder!!
 

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That was sure preventable with proper training !! The young guy's long-sleeve shirt pulled down over hands and loose-fitting in general was "just begging" for BIG problem to happen.

Watching it transpire, I was worried that he would lean over the spinning drive side on left with his droopy shirt, and drag his whole body around like a rag doll.

He was darn "lucky" for sure that his whole arm didn't get yanked off.

That website did lead to more favorable pic to observe . . . . see below. :D
 

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People react strangely to emergencies some times. The guy that first runs to the rescue grabs the spinning rod and yanks on it!! Rather than go for the off lever?? That could of gone real uglier in a second on a machine that size.
Biggest mistake was putting a glove on a small diameter shaft...

Early on I just got to the emery cloth part and nearly pulled my thumb off.
I've had real respect for spinning things ever since.

Tisk tisk and no safety glasses, any of them.:D
 

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Holy **** that'll wake you up faster than 6 cups of coffee! Do you think he might be a bit gun shy, I bet if we watch Kam 8 later on we'll see him running the lathe naked.
 

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I knew it was going to be bad when I watched him wrap the emery around the Work piece, Way too much bad stuff can happen.
 

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There is a reason I rarely wear gloves in the shop, cuts, scrapes, bruises heal, missing body parts don't!!

I am constantly yelling at my father and kids and friends to remove the gloves when using the spinning tools. Have I burnt myself while using a grinder Hell yes but I have all my digits after more then 40 years in the shop.

Gloves and long sleeves are for welding and cutting. If you need to keep your hands clean use latex gloves.
 

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The instant he put his hand on the shaft I knew what was going to happen. He's lucky he was taught that lesson on a small shaft, a large shaft or tube would not have deflected enough to leave the tailstock center.

It's a reminder of how fast things happen. It's also a reminder to step back and think for a second AFTER an accident happens. It's very easy to go from rescuer to victim!
 

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That's pretty amazing, surprised that nothing worse happened.

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The old ********** in the shop routine. I saw it happen to a guy years ago at a milling machine. How many times do episodes like this have to be repeated before it's understood?

"...I think we'll send the send the kid home for the rest of the day...".
 

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You never grab around a shaft with sandpaper, two finger both ends of the sandpaper, that way you can let go of it...

Make sure those foot brakes are in working order if the lathe has one..

Something else I noticed first thing in the video, A CLEAN SAFE WORK AREA is number one... That **** propped/stacked on the wall should not be there..Thats another accident waiting to happen..
 
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I was cringing the whole time, watching him extend his body down the work piece, baggy shirt sleeves just begging to snag.
 

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NASTYZEN - Thanks for giving this thread an approprite title! I decided to read everyone's comments and then decide whether or not I wanted to watch the video. I still haven't ... I'm squeemish.

I got a BIG lesson first hand back in high school when one of my favourite teachers lost 2 of his fingers at a table saw. He was a safety nut and taught us well. A few seconds of distraction was all it took though. A fellow student called out to him at a bad time and I'm sure you can all figured out what happened. NEVER DISTRACT ANYONE WHEN THEY ARE USING MACHINERY ... I think you all know that.

A few of the students took him to the hospital immendiately. A few of us scrambled for something to put his fingers in and then follow right behind. A few other students got sick. Two guys drove to the hopital with the fingers in our teacher's lunch bag. That was in 1967 and I guess surgery at that time wasn't what it is today. His fingers couln't be reattached.

Mr. Rogers was a GREAT guy. I was told that when he returned to teaching it was still "safety first" but with a bit of a clearer message. He would basically hold up his hand and say ... "this can happen to you".

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I knew what was going to happen in the video- it was like seeing a train wreck but not being able to do anything about it.

That's because this is more or less what happened to me when I was a young lathe operator in my college years.

In my case, I was sanding a shaft chucked in a lathe and the paper caught and I ended up wrapping my hands, and then arms, around the shaft.

Broke both arms pretty fast, and wore casts on them both at the same time for quite a while. To add insult to injury, the idiots at the hospital where they took me refused to treat me unless I signed some forms. Of course, with both arms broken and in excruciating pain, I couldn't do it. So one of the guys from work who had taken me to the ER grabbed one of my hands in his, and moved it and a pen, over the forms. So they got my "signature" that way.


It may be better that I later went into computing instead of staying in the machine shop... :)
 

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NASTYZEN - Thanks for giving this thread an approprite title! I decided to read everyone's comments and then decide whether or not I wanted to watch the video. I still haven't ... I'm squeemish.

There's no gore. You just see the guy get undressed in a creative way, then making some love to the lathe bed. :)
 

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lametec - Based solely on your recommendation ... :bounce: I watched the video. It was similar to one that was posted here a few years ago when a student basically got his arm caught and was pitched over the lathe. Those were kids. Maybe these were the same kids and they didn't get any smarter. I'm sure EVERYONE saw that coming.

I thought you guys were kidding about him being undressed. :lol: I liked it when the 3rd guy came in. He was wearing camo so he may have been there all along but we just didn't see him. And then the 4th guy appears. He's only wearing an undershirt which makes me wonder if guy #3 just freed him from an adjacent lathe.

Seeing the windows on the upper right reminded me of the time when a class mate rammed a gouge too hard into a wood bowl he was making. It broke away from the false face plate, smashed through the window and landed on the hood of the teachers car. A few weeks later the same kid spilled shelac on the same teachers desk and basically glued all our home work together. I guess we all learn from our mistakes. :lol:
 

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I didn't wath the complete video. Once he was pulled in, I stopped it. I thought at first it was going to be his hand by using the sandpaper to clean up the surface. A coworker and a close friend was using 1" wide ribbon cloth to clean up a piece of stock. He was holding the paper with one hand, which was fine, but he decided to "tighten" the ribbon cloth just a little tighter and in doing that, he moved his thumb in closer and bent his hand up to tighten the ribbon cloth. When he did, it wrapped his thumb around the stock, or started to. Luckily he could hit the big red panic button. It broke his thumb and turned it solid black, but was salvageable.

When I was a setup man and Group leader at my old job, back in '79/'80, a lot of the older machinist still wore ties, which in earlier years was proper attire for a machinist or toolmaker. One evening (I was on 2nd shift) one of the older guys was running a threader, which was basically just like the video showed, only running less rpm's. He had a tie on, plus he also was wearing a shop apron. He leaned over and the threader caught his apron, which in turn also caught his tie. I saw him go down into the machine as did another machinist who was able to get to the button in time, but still not soon enough. By the time either of us had witnessed it, the tie was around his neck and pulled tight. It didn't kill him, but it was enough time that the tie had cut off oxygen to the brain. We got him cut out of the threader, the squad had arrived, and started giving him oxygen and off to the hospital. In that short amount of time that the tie was choking him, it deprived him of oxygen long enough that mentally he was never right again. He had to retire on disability. He ended up with sporadic motor skills, and also had what would be equal to how some Alzheimer patients act with decreased memory.

Back then, there were lax rules as far as jewelry, loose clothing, and so on. A ot of people complain about OSHA and the rules set forth by them, but there has been a lot of good that comes out of it. Sadly enough though, it's always at the cost of a tragic accident.
 

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I watched the video and saw nothing that was remotely funny.
I really felt badly for the kid regardless of his ignorance.
I too have had my thumb caught while holding the emery cloth while polishing a shaft. It sure made an impression.

Now on the hand, PCO6 your post had me hyper-ventilating from laugher. :beer:

LAMETEC, you weren't far behind. :beer:
 

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I watched the video and saw nothing that was remotely funny.
I really felt badly for the kid regardless of his ignorance.
I too have had my thumb caught while holding the emery cloth while polishing a shaft. It sure made an impression.

I believe there's a saying that goes something like this, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

Fortunately for the Kid in the Video, He will more than likely make a full Physical Recovery, Mentally? Who Knows? Its possible that he might just piss his pants at the sign of Lathe. Unfortunately in Life we don't always get a 2nd chance, A favorite Operation Life Saver speech entails asking the Group if anyone in the Room has been involved with a Train/Car Collision. The Point being that the odds of coming back from that type of accident isn't very favorable, so its unlikely that anyone raises there hand.

My grandfather taught me how to operate a Lathe, I suspect he was self taught or learned by working in the local engine shop during the winter months. The first time he witnessed me doubling a piece of emery over a rod, He tripped the Breaker and gave me my Very Calm and Stern talking too. I was taught to hold the Emery above the Work, While using a sufficient length of Cloth. In my Travels around the US visiting Hydraulic Shops, Especially the ones that have the Capabilities to Repair/Produce/Make Rod Repairs ive seen a Actual Tool that holds the Cloth and keeps your hands and body clear of the Danger area. I suspect some of our local Machinist know the proper name.
 
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jeezus. If you look in those comments there is a link of a dude getting completely torn to bits by a lathe. I'm now re-thinking how careless I am around my drill press, angle grinder, and band saw. Those tools aren't as lethal but I'm sure can do some damage.

What kind of shirts do you guys wear around spinning tools?
 

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I'm now re-thinking how careless I am around my drill press, angle grinder, and band saw. Those tools aren't as lethal but I'm sure can do some damage.

What kind of shirts do you guys wear around spinning tools?


I consider all industrial machinery deadly, and I treat it that way... especially my drillpress, hand drills, angle grinders, saws of all types, milling machine...

Summer I wear a t-shirt tucked in.. Winter a long sleeve T tucked in.. I do not wear loose clothing around machinery, period... also no pony tail or long hair, that **** will get you scalped quick..
 

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You know, if that video was shot in the US and I knew where it was I would file a complaint to OSHA.. Its stuff like that that pisses me off, people wonder why workmans comp insurance costs so much, that filthy shop is a perfect example of why...
 

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Wow.. how fast something can happen. Got to respect the machine it will always win.
 

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I consider all industrial machinery deadly, and I treat it that way... especially my drillpress, hand drills, angle grinders, saws of all types, milling machine...

Summer I wear a t-shirt tucked in.. Winter a long sleeve T tucked in.. I do not wear loose clothing around machinery, period... also no pony tail or long hair, that **** will get you scalped quick..

Same shop that I was working that I mentioned about the guy getting caught in a threader, another worker got his hair caught in a radial arm drill press. Luckily he didn't have it in a ponytail like he usually had, but instead, and also someone looking over him from above, he was running late for work that day and after he had his shower before coming to work, he didn't have time to put it in a ponytail, so it was all hanging down. It ripped out maybe an 1/8 of what hair he had.

Right about that same time or maybe a couple of years later, it was reported in the newspaper that a girl that was working at Panasonic, bent over a part she was drilling in a drill press, and it for the most part, scalped her. She lived, but had many operations after the accident.
 

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I always think of that bright young gal that lost her life in a research shop of some major university out east. Accidents can usually always be prevented. 'Course if we knew they were going to happen, they wouldn't be accidents.

I saw a drill press remove a pony tail from a gal.
 

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Man, I'm surprised the first instinct for the guy who came to his rescue wasn't to hit the emergency stop or off button. You can still still the spindle turning long after the other guys show up.
 

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I've never worked in a machine shop or the like but does it seem odd to anyone that there is a security camera focused on a lathe station?
 

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I've never worked in a machine shop or the like but does it seem odd to anyone that there is a security camera focused on a lathe station?


Absolutely not.... We have security cameras all over the place where I work, and have digital storage, cameras run 24/7


We had a large prduction run a long time ago, we had 10,000 semi rims that the bolt holes had to be reamed with a spherical counterbore.. We hired 3 temp workers one for each shift... One day on day shift boy comes walking up with his arm dangling, broke in 3 places, first thing out of his mouth he said was he fell on a pallet, and blah blah blah and he was sueing, going to call his lawyer.. We were quite concerned at first, until we seen the video.. little did he know he had 2 cameras pointing directly at that work station, soon as his lawyer seen the video he apologized and walked out, nothing else was said... The idiot was standing there smacking the 1 1/32 spherical reamer with his gloved hand, reamer grabbed the glove and snapped his arm in less than a second, he was damn lucky the belt slipped on that old bridgeport, if not he would have lost that arm no doubt...


Another little incident, I was talking with an old toolmaker once, and the guy next to us started in acting like a big shot and all that, well he turned around to drag some chips out of an endmill while it was running and taking a cut, he took his 6" steel rule/scale and stuck it in there and went a bit far, endmill grabbed the ruler/scale and sucked his finger right in there and took it off at the first knuckle, faster than you could blink.. I was like WTF, grabbed a rag cause the guy was in shock, he didnt even know what happened, just blood squirting everywhere, the guy i was talking to passed out at the site of blood so he was out in the floor..


These incidents happened in a very safe shop over the span of 12yrs.. Its not necessarily the shop to question.. At times its the person or persons operating the equipment and it doesnt hurt to cover your *** legally with cameras.. and trust me it doesnt hurt, the camera has stopped 1 lawsuit and caught about 5 would be thieves..

The first thing I see is the messy condition of the shop, if something did happen because of that mess stood up on the walls, a lawyer would have a field day in court..
 

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I've seen two accidents, and had one myself.

The first accident happened in my shop class back in high school -- the teacher drove a spade bit almost completely through his hand. He liked to drink a bit, so he was sort of like a walking safety lesson in regard to what not to do.

The second accident was a frontal partial scalping. I didn't see the accident itself, but I walked into the shop while the paramedics were assessing him. There was blood everywhere that time.

The third accident was completely my own, I was one-handing a grinder when it skipped and just about took my opposite thumb off.
 

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Looking at that kid and his long sleeve shirt it was killing me to watch. I see guys in the shop everyday wearing gloves while using drills etc, some just learn the hard way.
 

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As far as a special tool goes for holding emery paper I was taught to use a file to hold it. Wrap it over the end an hold it tight with your fingers. I am always surprised when I see competent machinists on YouTube holding the paper in their hands.
 

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As far as a special tool goes for holding emery paper I was taught to use a file to hold it. Wrap it over the end an hold it tight with your fingers.

You can hold it with your hands, but must remember two things.
1) keep both ends apart
2) keep it taut
 
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