New 24 x 36 shop build

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My wife and I purchased a new house here in Western NY and I made a deal with her that I could build a pole barn out back because the house only has a 1 car garage. So, last summer I went through the permitting process, size variance was required and granted, and my permit was issued. Last week I went and picked up the building package from a local supplier and will be breaking ground with excavation in a few weeks. This will start my thread documenting the entire build and I'm sure I will have many questions along the way, although I've had plenty of time to research and read all the great info on this site. Here are some of the details:

24 x 36 x 10 pole construction with 6' x 36' lean-to porch
Attached 10' x 16' shed on the back of the building
10 x 8 front overhead door and side man door (haven't decided on windows - at least 2 per side)
Evergreen steel siding / brown steel roof / and brown steel trim and soffits
4" concrete floor with 12" spaced rebar and in-floor radiant heat
6' front apron, concrete under lean-to, and concrete floor for shed
R19 fiberglass batts using bookshelf style framing in walls
R60 blown fiberglass in ceiling
OSB for wall finish and white painted steel liner for ceiling
4' LED Maxlite fixtures
Water/Gas/Electric utilities and additional conduit for future pulls
And a mid-size fridge for cold beer

Oh yeah this will be a functioning workshop and I do a little bit of everything, I will probably place my woodshop equipment on one side, and the mill / lathe on the other side. I'd like to conserve as much floor space as possible so I'll be building lots of storage features once time allows.

Here is a picture of the pole barn package inside my 1 car garage after unloading:

 

[Deezler]

Nice! Enjoy the journey. And double whatever estimate you have for how long it'll take to build, lol.

No roof trusses, just framed rafters? What roof pitch? collar ties across the 24' span?

 

[120mm]

Will look forward to seeing your build. I have something very similar in mind.

 

[OptionalStop]

Nice! Enjoy the journey. And double whatever estimate you have for how long it'll take to build, lol.

No roof trusses, just framed rafters? What roof pitch? collar ties across the 24' span?

The roof trusses will be delivered when I'm ready for them. It's going to be a 4/12 pitch and the lean-to will follow the same pitch.

I'm lucky to have plenty of helping hands for this. My goal is to get the concrete in this summer which shouldn't not be a problem as long as whoever I pick isn't too backed up.

 

[Spareparts]

I see you have your security system standing guard, looks like you have your summer all planned out.

 

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The past month has been a huge mess here in WNY for pole barn building. Lots and lots of rain and ground water that just won't drain. We finally had a window of time to get started on the post holes, trench, and set the posts. Some will see the trench in the picture and wonder why it was dug - it's for my perimeter slab insulation. I didn't want to dig it out by hand after the posts and skirt boards were in place. My friend came over and dug it with his 6" trenching bucket. The only problem so far with this approach was all the bank collapse I had to deal with after the rain but we got it cleaned out. It's also going to make back filling the posts more of a challenge, but I don't plan to back fill until the insulation is installed so it will help hold the stone in place around the posts.
Up to this point all posts are set and skirt boards in place minus the 2 up front I still need to do.

This set me back a half a day over the weekend. Came across this SB Heavy 10 for a great deal on craigslist so I jumped on it. I'll be rebuilding it one day - but for now it goes in the corner.

 

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Perimeter insulation almost complete and backfilling trench and posts at the same time. I'm using mostly gravel around the post holes but some fill dirt is being mixed in from the trench. You can see the 3" EPS that was glued to the 2" XPS is secured to the skirt board by screws and plastic caps. This should get me an R20 around the outside.

 

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Wow, not even one comment in a week. It's a busy time of the year here on the forum. Guess nobody cares about my build?

 

[strength_and_power]

Prior to making 80 deliveries in all of New York except NYC, my perception of New York was based solely on my visits to NYC. While I could never live in NYC, there are definitely parts of the rest of New York that i think I’d enjoy living in. Good luck with your build.


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[Kevkx125]

Looks good so far! I really like the fact that you are building it yourself, good luck and look forward to your build.

 

[Riley]

Wow, not even one comment in a week. It's a busy time of the year here on the forum. Guess nobody cares about my build?

You really have to look at the number of views to gauge interest. Over 870 so far. I'd say you have a following of sorts.

Great project by the way. I like your extra effort in slab/foundation insulation. Planning on radiant heat?

 

[greg86z28]

What type of soil do you have, are you going to excavate any of it?

Greg

 

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You really have to look at the number of views to gauge interest. Over 870 so far. I'd say you have a following of sorts.

Great project by the way. I like your extra effort in slab/foundation insulation. Planning on radiant heat?

Thanks, yes radiant heat is planned, once I'm ready to start working on finishing the inside the heating system will be done first so I can be sure to have heat this winter.

What type of soil do you have, are you going to excavate any of it?

It's clay over here, my last house about 10 miles away was sand. Digging was fairly easy though, except it was wet and muddy. The inside floor will be high enough so I won't need to excavate for the most part except for an area near the front door where my grade is highest.

 

[rixtrix1]

Interesting method for the slab perimeter insulation. I've never seen it done that way, but should be super efficient. Are the posts 6x6 or 8x8 treated?

 

[rebelranger]

Are you going to put rigid foam up the sides for a complete thermal break? Are you building alone? What psi foam are you using? Planning on foam lining the floor? I want to do exactly what you have done this far. What are you doing for siding?

 

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Interesting method for the slab perimeter insulation. I've never seen it done that way, but should be super efficient. Are the posts 6x6 or 8x8 treated?

It was easy to install with the trench already being dug out. I just glued the 2 sheets together, slid them in, and secured the top to the skirt board. The posts are treated laminated 6 x 6 but they actually come out to more like 4 x 6.

Are you going to put rigid foam up the sides for a complete thermal break? Are you building alone? What psi foam are you using? Planning on foam lining the floor? I want to do exactly what you have done this far. What are you doing for siding?

The perimeter insulation ends at the top of the concrete, so top of skirt board. The walls will be done with reclaimed 1" polyiso between the girts, then painted steel siding. I am building mostly alone but have a friend helping me with some things like setting posts and trusses. Also will need help with the ceiling steel. Not sure on the foam psi, the floor will be done with the usual 2" XPS.

 

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This weekend my friend and I had a goal set to finish the roof and get it covered, but we fell short of that. It was time consuming because we had to climb up and down to measure and make cuts - a third guy would have been helpful. It looks great so far and now we are ready to sheet the roof. I just need to button up some things, work on a little excavation for the floor, lean-too, and front apron and put stone in. Also need to run my utilities which I might do pretty soon.

 

[Riley]

That does look great! Congrats!

 

[Jeepster04]

Did you splice the 2x6's to the truss for the overhang?

How are you attaching the headers to the posts?

Plan on doing any sort of x bracing anywhere?

What are you using for fasteners on the purlins and girts?

Im curious whats going on with the overhang on the gable ends. Typically the purlins just extend past the exterior truss to support the overhang.

 

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Did you splice the 2x6's to the truss for the overhang?

How are you attaching the headers to the posts?

Plan on doing any sort of x bracing anywhere?

What are you using for fasteners on the purlins and girts?

Im curious whats going on with the overhang on the gable ends. Typically the purlins just extend past the exterior truss to support the overhang.

The headers are fastened with 6 and 12 20D nails at the posts depending on where the **** seams are and at the ends. Yes, the Y bracing is installed at the corners just haven't done it yet. I'll probably get back out there in the next couple days to work on it some more. The purlins and girts are 3.5" ring shank nails and I'm using a framing gun for these.

For the gable end overhangs we decided to build them on the ground since it was only the two of us and lift them up to fasten in place. We used more materials since there's a 2 x 6 attached to the truss and well as one on the outside, but oh well.

 

[jgromada]

Fascinating project, thanks for posting. Keep up with the detailed pictures too. This is a real education. In the back of my head keep thinking I would love something just like this for myself.