New 30x56x13 shop build

[Affinity Fab]

Well after lurking on here for years I finally have something to contribute myself.
The semi-shortened version of the saga goes like this...We bought a home on an acre in a really nice suburb where over time I remodeled every square inch of into something I was really proud of. It had an attached 2 car garage & I always intended to build a 30x 40 garage out back for my shop. Fast-forward one kid & almost 9 years later I was finally ready to build the shop. However it turns out the city has some of the most restrictive accessory structure ordinances I've ever come across. 720 sq. ft.!! That's it, all I could build! I attended zoning board of appeals meetings & did my homework, tried every possible scenario of building 1200 sq. ft., I was even willing to settle for 1000 but nope 720 that's it, not even 721. I was heartbroken!
I really loved our home so I was about to just settle & start building the 2.5 car garage they would let me. Then my wife & I started casually looking at other homes as a possibility never thinking we'd find something that would suit both of us in a million years, but I'll be damned if we didn't find a place that we both fell in love with in a matter of no time. Before putting in an offer I checked with the township & they would allow up to a 1400 sq. ft. accessory structure on the lot size!! So we bought the place, sold the old one & I had a builder out the day after we got the keys.

 

[James-W]

Welcome to the forum. Be sure to take lots of pictures of the build and post them, we really like pictures.

 

[Affinity Fab]

After speaking to the township's planning coordinator I decided to try to go a little bit bigger than 1400 sq. ft. since I had plenty of room. They seemed much more willing to work with you than the previous city. I applied for a variance & went through the process & it was unanimously approved. Now to get this thing up before the ground freezes here in Michigan.
The shop was going to go in the same location an existing 28x24 late 60's horse barn that was on the property. So first things first I had to tear that down & clear out all the overgrowth behind it.
Old barn

 

[Affinity Fab]

Borrowed my buddies Kubota with grapple bucket & had a few friends over. Got all the trees & brush down & burned in one day. The next toppled the barn tossed the rotted roofing in a dumpster & burned up all the wood.

 

[James-W]

I have seen on some of these repair/remodel shows where they bring in a backhoe and tear a building down with it. Then they use the backhoe to move the wood to an area where they can burn it. If that would be a possibility for you then I think you could get this done rather quickly. Once the building is down and removed then the backhoe can dig the foundation for the new building. It would be like using the backhoe to do "double duty" and get the job done quickly.

 

[Affinity Fab]

Normally I'm one to do this sort of project myself but I'm just working too much & have our second kid on the way this spring so I decided to have a builder put up the frame & sheeting. I'll finish off the electrical, insulation, interior, etc.
As soon as I got my permit the site was prepped & holes were punched for the posts & the next day we got the first snow of the year, 10" worth followed by another 4". That delayed things a little bit.


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[James-W]

Oh ****, you beat me to it. Just as I got done posting my last post I saw that you had posted pictures of the building already knocked down. I see you used a Kubota to knock it down and then burned up the wood. I guess great minds do think alike.

 

[Affinity Fab]

That's basically what I did James. Pulled the building down with the tractor, used it to load all the roofing & non burnable stuff into a dumpster then piled all the wood up & set it a blaze! No need to dig a foundation with it as I'm going with post frame construction.

 

[Affinity Fab]

We seem to be on the same wave length so far lol

 

[Richard Cranium]

keep us posted with pictures for the progress.

 

[Affinity Fab]

Finally dug out all the snow & got the posts set. Trusses are supposed to be delivered tomorrow....

 

[James-W]

Are you planning on pouring concrete this Winter, or are you going to wait until Spring for that?

 

[Affinity Fab]

I want to get the concrete in asap. The process to get the variance pushed the timeline back more than I hoped so once the structure is up I may insulate it & get the heat going first to help with that. I really don't want to wait till spring, I'd like to use the winter to finish off the interior.

 

[dirt_dobber]

Welcome and your shop is looking good thus far. Nice height

 

[Firebrick43]

Please don't do concrete unless you can get heat on it for at least a week prior to the pour. Still wouldn't recommend it. Guy here poured several weeks ago and it will all have to be torn out. Didn't set right, already flaking and spalling.

 

[Affinity Fab]

Yup as much as I want to pour I won't do it unless I can thouroghly thaw the ground, dry it out & keep it warm throughout the cure. That's why I plan to at least seal it up, insulate & heat it first.

 

[lakeroadster]

13 ft... wondering why an odd number?

 

[Affinity Fab]

My house is a low ranch & I didn't want the shop towering over it. I was planning to go with 12' but most of the 2 post hoists I'm considering are around 12'6" overall height so I decided to just go that extra foot instead of all the way to 14'. Also I had to get a variance for the height already so I didn't want to push my luck.

 

[KiltLifter]

Do you have a concept pic? What roof style are you using? Attic storage? Rolup or sliding doors?

 

[Affinity Fab]

Do you have a concept pic? What roof style are you using? Attic storage? Rolup or sliding doors?

I'll have to dig up the rendering. Going with steel roof & siding, 1' overhangs on all sides. Standard trusses, 4/12 pitch. Medium gray with dark gray roof, waistcoat & trim. One 16x10 roll up door on the gable end (30'). Service door & 3 3x5 windows on the east side that faces the house.
Finished interior walls & ceiling, spray foam insulation, heat, epoxy floors, lots of lighting & power.

 

[Affinity Fab]

Trusses are here, hopefully they all go up tomorrow!

 

[House]

Hey great looking build! I would agree the floor should not go in before the ground is thawed and the conditions are good. Just a heads up also if the floor goes in after the walls are closed in there will be a lot of humidity inside so it will take a while to dry out,especially in the cold weather . Don't rush closing in the interior until that is dryer as well. If the floor goes in after the interior is insulated and lined then be sure to have a lot of ventilation to pull that moist air out otherwise it will be raining inside the building for a few days!

Just wondering how far the posts are in the ground and what size they are? Also are they tamped with rock around them or concrete ?

 

[Affinity Fab]

The posts are set 48+" deep (code here requires 42") with 16" Dia, 6" thick concrete pads under & compacted gravel around them. The posts were set before there was frost in the ground or snow, I just didn't manage to get home in the daylight to take a picture till well after they were done.

 

[House]

The posts are set 48+" deep (code here requires 42") with 16" Dia, 6" thick concrete pads under & compacted gravel around them. The posts were set before there was frost in the ground or snow, I just didn't manage to get home in the daylight to take a picture till well after they were done.

Sounds great!

 

[rixtrix1]

Good luck with your build1

 

[Affinity Fab]

Happy new year! Trusses up & roof sheeted. Now time to wait for metal to be delivered.

 

[Affinity Fab]

Metal finally showed up today. Hopefully we can get a lot knocked out this weekend with the high temp only being 17!!


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[Affinity Fab]

Well finally got all the siding, roofing, windows & doors up! About 3 weeks later than scheduled since my builders decided to overbook themselves & only show up 2 days a week that part took four weeks.
Gonna try to chisel through the frost to trench for electric service in the morning, wish me luck!


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[tinysparky]

The posts are set 48+" deep (code here requires 42") with 16" Dia, 6" thick concrete pads under & compacted gravel around them. The posts were set before there was frost in the ground or snow, I just didn't manage to get home in the daylight to take a picture till well after they were done.

was it hand tamped or did you use an air tamper?

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[Affinity Fab]

was it hand tamped or did you use an air tamper?

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By hand


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[Affinity Fab]

There was about 3" of frost so we had to persuade the it with a little bit of heat to make the initial hole. Once we were through the next 85' was a breeze...the last 15' was a different story! About 7" of frost wouldn't budge, even with heat & digging out from underneath it. Managed to chip away at half of that section, will resume in the morning.


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[Affinity Fab]

Got a nice surprise in the form of a 50 degree day & my spray foam guys were able to arrange their schedule to take advantage of it two weeks earlier than we had planned for! Can't say enough good things about them, they did an awesome job.


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[carol palmer]

I'll have to dig up the rendering. Going with steel roof & siding, 1' overhangs on all sides. Standard trusses, 4/12 pitch. Medium gray with dark gray roof, waistcoat & trim. One 16x10 roll up door on the gable end (30'). Service door & 3 3x5 windows on the east side that faces the house.
Finished interior walls & ceiling, spray foam insulation, heat, epoxy floors, lots of lighting & power.

I would rather suggest the attractive cedar roofing. Its made of wood. I find them captivating and graceful. Check for one such design I found online http://www.royalyorkroofing.ca/services/roofing/cedar-roofing/ .

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Cedar is naturally beautiful with tonal range that includes ambers, red, golds, and browns. They have long lasting practical benefits too. Shingle roofing is also a good option to go for.

 

[Affinity Fab]

As interesting of a suggestion as that is the metal roof is already on.


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[Affinity Fab]

There was an existing hydrant from the old horse barn that used to be here that is tied into the well system. It now lands in the middle of the floor so I dug down to tie into it so I can trench it over to its new location before the slab is poured.

Also put vapor barrier on the entire ceiling to help hold the temporary heat in & mounted the first of 3 fans to keep the warm air circulating.



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[Affinity Fab]

New hydrant in & all prepped for concrete. Pouring in the morning.




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[AZ Pete]

The grey looks good!


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[Affinity Fab]

Thanks! I'm really pleased with the colors.


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[SGMdmax]

Nice looking build.
I'm located not to far from you. (Goodrich)
Who sprayed your insulation?
You said you were very pleased with them and I will be needing some work done this summer.

 

[motowest]

Looking good so far! You will have a really nice shop!