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94yj

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i am going to be replacing my 30 year old all electric hvac system and want to ask opinions on what are good brands to look at and ones to stay away from all help greatly appreciated thanks

house info 1266 sf and single story and air handler is in closet not attic

also what brands have the best warranty and the most trouble free
 
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A smart person will be along soon to type a lot, but all the major brands have high end and cheaper lines, most offer cheaper equipment marked under other comoany names also.

10 year waranty is the most popular now a days. 30 years was a long life span.
 

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A good install matters more than brand. Get a couple quotes, and pick a brand that the local service folk can actually get parts for in a reasonable time period.

being in Texas, find someone who actually knows how to do flex duct - i've seen plenty of horrible octopus installs that leak half the air into the attic or are kinked and don't deliver properly. a good install looks tidy.

because you rarely need heat, and it doesn't get cold often, I'd suggest a heat pump unless you already have gas service and want gas. you really don't need a furnace.

it's common for people to look at what you have, and sell you the next size up as a CYA to make sure you stay cool. this isn't a good thing - a properly sized system is what you want. if your system is too big for your home it won't pull the humidity out properly and you'll be cool and damp. dry and cool is much more pleasant (and feels cooler).

if you're in a particularly humid area, consider a whole house dehumidifier.
I'd also suggest you get at least a two stage system (not sized larger than a single stage would be). this gets you a more efficient system that runs longer, more quietly, and dries better - then it can kick up to full power for the hot days. typically stage 1 is 66%-70% of the "ton" rating. would you want a car with a one position gas pedal? No? then why would you want A/C with one speed?

and as always - remember: you pay for insulation once, you pay EVERY TIME you run the AC! upgrade your insulation/windows and enjoy lower utility bills for years, plus you can save money by not installing as big an HVAC system.
 
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^Great advice here. The equipment matters much less than the install. Ask everyone you know who they used and if they were happy. Get a few quotes. Stay away from contractors that seem more like salesmen. Don't expect to get 30 years out of anything you buy today :)
 

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Don't forget to ask if they do a manual load calculation because the last thing you want is an oversized system. Just because the old system was there for 30 years doesn't mean it should be replaced like for like.
 

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At our place in NY, the furnace is the primary concern and the AC is secondary. At our place in FL, it is the other way around. We just bought a new Trane heat pump for FL and so far it is fine.
Most brands are decent. The only one I would stay away from is Lennox unless you have a good Lennox dealer that you really want to do business with. In our part of the country all HVAC guys can get parts quickly for nearly every brand except Lennox. Their parts are readily available to their dealers, but HVAC companies that are not Lennox dealers have a hard time getting parts, sometimes taking a couple of weeks.
 

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Don't forget to ask if they do a manual load calculation because the last thing you want is an oversized system. Just because the old system was there for 30 years doesn't mean it should be replaced like for like.
a real load calc :) not some "well I added 20% for safety, and another 20% because today ends in Y" load calc. the load calcs have that fudge factor built in.

Also consider upgrade options available. HEPA filters etc. Make a list of rooms that were not covered well by your current system too.

going to a 4" media filter is always a good idea over a 1" rock catcher. using 1" allergy filters is a great way to cause problems with your system, and unless they're putting in an actual housing, it's just a wider opening in the same ductwork.
 
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We are happy with our Ruud heat pump system. No problems. As above - the installer makes or breaks the whole deal IMHO. The best system in the world is going to be **** if installed by untrained monkeys.
 

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He'll need quite a bit of heat in Ft Worth in the winter. There are only 2 trees and a strand of barbwire between there and Canada. Ft Worth sees single digit weather. I would not want resistance heat anywhere north of Austin.
 
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Just had a new one put in this past Saturday.
When I put in my old system, I picked out the equipment that I wanted and vetted whoever would install the equipment I wanted.
This time, I found a HVAC person that was knowledgeable and that I was comfortable with and went with his recommendations.
Ended up with a Tempstar (Carrier) unit. So far so good.
 

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After 30+ years doing this, I'd stick with a Trane/American Standard. They're still using a non-microchannel coil - big plus right there.
Their Spine-Fin condenser coil was introduced in the 1980's and still manages to achieve SEER ratings large enough to be allowed to be sold. Proves that they did their homework back in the day. Many of their other innovations are equally noteworthy. Find a reputable Trane dealer and go with them.
 

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take the advice of the people that live around you or within a climate similar to yours..
Listening to someone about their system in Oregon or in New Jersey is probably not going to yield the results you're looking for..
 
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take the advice of the people that live around you or within a climate similar to yours..
Listening to someone about their system in Oregon or in New Jersey is probably not going to yield the results you're looking for..

Yea... it's "Texas" here for two months a year... but guess what... you need the same stuff for those two months. Your suggestion there is some magical difference between how texans breathe and others on earth is zero... unless you are at a pole or underwater.
 

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Whatever system you chose, make sure it is installed correctly by Very reputable company...My inexpensive 12 seer 3 ton unit single stage Heat Pump has been installed 15 years now and never has lost a bit of Freon...
Just recently talked to the installers asking if I would benefit from a new system, he said, if I insisted on getting something new, he would sell and install whatever I wanted but also said if it was his, he would use what I have until it's no longer feasible to repair.
They come out to inspect and clean for $125.00 when I ask them to.
They sell Trane, Goodman, RUUD and a few other brands.
 

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Yea... it's "Texas" here for two months a year... but guess what... you need the same stuff for those two months. Your suggestion there is some magical difference between how texans breathe and others on earth is zero... unless you are at a pole or underwater.

You're wrong. I don't really care that you're wrong, I just don't want you to confuse the OP by assuming that because your system has to run in 95* ambient temperatures for 60 days out of the year it's anywhere near the same as HIS system needing to run above 90* for 200 days.

There is a reason that regional modifiers are calculated using "degree days" when sizing a system.

different products work better in different climates.
 
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You're wrong. I don't really care that you're wrong, I just don't want you to confuse the OP by assuming that because your system has to run in 95* ambient temperatures for 60 days out of the year it's anywhere near the same as HIS system needing to run above 90* for 200 days.

There is a reason that regional modifiers are calculated using "degree days" when sizing a system.

different products work better in different climates.

And did you even read my advice to the OP?... it focused on considering uprades like a media filter. Not one thing about size of the cooling unit.

Nor did I discuss heat... which is needed in NJ... less so in Texas even with their chilly nights.

Keep your judgemental opinions to yourself. Drama like what you are causing is not allowed in this forum.
 

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First question is ......How did my current system work? Was I happy with the air flow and uniform coverage. Did the AC remove the humidity w/o making the house too cold. Was it noisy (air flow) -- do I like where the condenser was placed.

How is the house insulation?

Now is the time to fix these problems. You don't have a lot of sf to do -- be careful of oversizing
 

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I had a Fox and Jacobs track home in the DFW area. Air handler in the closet, return was built into the bottom of the closet. My AC guy said one problem with it was the AH went straight up into the supply duct at a 90 degree angle. Basically air was slamming into the top of the duct and causing a flow issue. He reworked that by adding a section to it at a shallow angle to give it a better transition.
FWIW, I put a 4 ton in it when I replaced the 3 ton and it was fantastic. It ran less, cost less per month and the house was perfectly comfortable year round.
 

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FWIW, I put a 4 ton in it when I replaced the 3 ton and it was fantastic. It ran less, cost less per month and the house was perfectly comfortable year round.



I’d be curious to check it out and take some measurements....
 

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I had a Fox and Jacobs track home in the DFW area. Air handler in the closet, return was built into the bottom of the closet. My AC guy said one problem with it was the AH went straight up into the supply duct at a 90 degree angle. Basically air was slamming into the top of the duct and causing a flow issue. He reworked that by adding a section to it at a shallow angle to give it a better transition.
FWIW, I put a 4 ton in it when I replaced the 3 ton and it was fantastic. It ran less, cost less per month and the house was perfectly comfortable year round.

Poor ductwork hampers the performance of a lot of systems, perhaps more of them than not. with that done, maybe you didn't need to go to a 4 ton?

is your new system multi stage? if it's a 2 stage, stage 1 is about 2.65 tons, which is actually smaller than the old system. generally speaking, long run-times at low capacity is the preferred mode of operation for an HVAC system of any kind.
 

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I’d be curious to check it out and take some measurements....

I'd invite you over but that was almost 30 years ago and I haven't owned it for a long, long time.

I don't know how old it was when I bought bought it but by the time I got it you could tell the insulation had settled as exterior walls were warmer down at the floor in the winter. I did a few things to help it out with weatherstripping added storm windows over the single pane windows, etc...
 

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Poor ductwork hampers the performance of a lot of systems, perhaps more of them than not. with that done, maybe you didn't need to go to a 4 ton?

is your new system multi stage? if it's a 2 stage, stage 1 is about 2.65 tons, which is actually smaller than the old system. generally speaking, long run-times at low capacity is the preferred mode of operation for an HVAC system of any kind.

That was about 30 years ago. If two stages were an option they were far out of price range.

When the AC guy fixed the duct and put in the new unit he did say that fixing the duct would have been enough. He said that as he was putting it in, "you asked about 4 ton, not how to fix what you got" is pretty close to what he said back then about it. Despite how that sounds, I really liked the guy and his honesty. I was going off a another quote from a different AC contractor that said I needed a 4 ton.

I did ask him if the 4 ton would be too much and he said something like "you're going to love it" and I did. In a poorly insulated house like that it had hot/cold spots all over it, the 4 ton moved enough air to eliminate those. Probably safe to say the vent locations and sizing in those houses were not the best and brute force CFM worked to overcome that.
 

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Fair enough. usually contractors oversize to avoid callbacks for "not cooling enough" on hot days, or because 20% of a bigger system is more profitable than 20% of a smaller system. a bigger fan = bigger blower, but not always one that can actually provide more static pressure to really push more air through undersized ductwork. that's tough to diagnose via my engineer's armchair, however. each system is different.
 

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Fair enough. usually contractors oversize to avoid callbacks for "not cooling enough" on hot days, or because 20% of a bigger system is more profitable than 20% of a smaller system. a bigger fan = bigger blower, but not always one that can actually provide more static pressure to really push more air through undersized ductwork. that's tough to diagnose via my engineer's armchair, however. each system is different.

Interesting. A 4 ton unit cost me 22$ more then a 3 1/2 ton unit. Im referring to a combi, not a split. The split difference is close but a little different depending on the cabinet size.
 
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