New Bathroom vent wire too short Question

[Motown 454]

Hi Guys I'm installing a new bathroom ceiling vent. The old one had the wiring and the vent hose on the same end, but the new one the wiring is on the oppisite side of the enclosure. There is plent of room around the vent portion of theself contaied vent portion. My question is can I make a spot for the wiring to come in on the side it used to and make a connection in the fan box then use a section of wire to go into the place they have for the connections? I know you can't burry a box in the ceiling to legnthen the wire. This way all the connections will be able to gotten to in the faan box. Could I do it this way ?

The jumper would be romex.



Thanks

 

[pattenp]

You can do it that way but technically it's not legit. I assume there's no attic space above to use a junction box to lengthen the wire?

 

[Motown 454]

No that's the problem it's on the first floor.

 

[jhelrey]

Anyway to remove the fan from the housing and rotate it say 180*?

Can you pull the wire and see it move in the switch box? Maybe pull new wire of it is indeed loose.

 

[Dirtydan69]

Add pipe or greenfield and pull new wire. It has to go to the switch box. Disconnect your wires at the switch box and use the old wire to pull in your new wire.

 

[LX-Markham]

Sorry, don't have any suggestions for your electrical wire issue, but I feel your pain. I just finished up a new fan install project in our bathroom. Old one died, so we bought a nice new more powerful but quieter one. Long story short, between getting access to the attic, a stack vent in the way, reinstating the vapour barrier, and having to relocate the fan slightly (ie cutting and patching drywall), it took me an embarrassingly long 3 weekends to complete.

Good luck!

 

[zmaxmotorsports]

Add pipe or greenfield and pull new wire. It has to go to the switch box. Disconnect your wires at the switch box and use the old wire to pull in your new wire.

It's probably stapled to the studs before the box.

 

[Motown 454]

I just checked if I rotate it the hose connection it ends up right where the wire are. Could I do it the way I said and seal the connections with shrink tube over the wire nut to keep dust out or is that worst?

 

[Motown 454]

It is stapled I tried to get a little extra but it won't budge.

 

[Motown 454]

The wires come out of the motor and are clipd to the side of the fan so I'm going to flip the wires over the fan to the corner I need them in and find a way to secure the sheet metal enclosure on the side I need it. It should work. Thank you for keeping me from the dust problem I would have never even considered. I'll let you know how it comes out.
Thank you all!

 

[Mustang51js]

You can put a splice box and bury it next to the fan in the ceiling. It still counts as accessible because you can take fan down to get to it. Plus its dedicated just to the fan. Its the same as putting a j box buried next to a reccessed light. You can take the light down to access the box so it legal

 

[Mustang51js]

They sell splice kits that can be buried also if you want to go crazy.

 

[Norcal]

You can put a splice box and bury it next to the fan in the ceiling. It still counts as accessible because you can take fan down to get to it. Plus its dedicated just to the fan. Its the same as putting a j box buried next to a recessed light. You can take the light down to access the box so it legal

The problem is that nobody will know where that J-box is buried, & fan housings are not normally removed for access like recessed cans are.

 

[larry4406]

Why not put a metal handy box inside the fan box. Bring your short wire thru the fan enclosure into the handy box, make your junction here to a new wire which then routes to the fan terminals. Put a metal cover on the handy box, then put the fan grille on.

Junction box would be accessible, no different than the fan terminals.

 

[exranger06]

It may not be too aesthetically pleasing, but you can cut in an old-work junction box in the ceiling and put a blank cover on it. That's what I did when I replaced the light fixture in my walk-in closet.

 

[pattenp]

Use a Tyco splice, it can be hidden in ceiling. It is UL and NEC approved.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Tyco-Electronics-Romex-Splice-Kit-2-Wire-1-Clam-CPGI-1116377-2/202204326

 

[yeldogt]

I never fully understood how you could burry an approved splice -- always looked like a bad idea to me.

Yeas ago when I was doing rehabs -- placing an approved box was OK in an application like this ... because the fan was removable.

Also -- why do they still sell "handy" boxes .. I remember not being able to use them 30 years ago?

 

[Mustang51js]

The problem is that nobody will know where that J-box is buried, & fan housings are not normally removed for access like recessed cans are.

Yeah but if its just for the fan its probably a non issue, if it was a feed through then i definetly wouldnt do it.

 

[toyotadriver]

Could you attach a junction box to the top or side of the fan on the attic side and then run a new wire to the fan's wire connection point?

 

[Wirepuller]

Yeah but if its just for the fan its probably a non issue, if it was a feed through then i definetly wouldnt do it.

The pros agree haha. I've had to do this. I don't like it but sometimes you do what you have to do.


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[ard]

The pros agree haha. I've had to do this. I don't like it but sometimes you do what you have to do.


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Leave a note inside the fan....

 

[Motown 454]

Thank you all for your help I got the Tyoc splice kit and installed it. Pretty good idea. lowe's and Homedepot said they had them instock..... They lie! I ordered one and installed it this week. Thanks again I would have never know about these without your input!

 

[hackahome]

Cut a hole in the fan enclosure in the top of the enclosure near the wire you need to use (if you have enough room to accommodate it between the fan and flooring above.) Screw a metal work box over the hole open to the inside of the fan enclosure. Punch out a hole in the work box, make the connection in the box to the fan housing wiring that you can remove from its original location. Cover the hole with a metal plate (from inside the fan housing). Relocate the plastic connector (that the fan motor plugs into) to the metal plate and secure the plate. Then attach the fan as you normally would. Once you modify it the fan enclosure is no longer UL listed, but the connection is made enclosed in a metal box and it is now accessible by removing the cover inside the fan housing without removing the housing from the ceiling.
I did it with tin snips, a hammer, pliers, and a drill.

 

[reader2580]

You're replying to a four year old thread here. Pretty sure the OP got this fixed long ago.

 

[Wrench97]

So a plastic Tyco splice is legal but a metal box with wire nuts is not?

 

[Motown 454]

I ended up using the plastic Tyco splice worked great.

 

[Zmann]

I did it with tin snips, a hammer, pliers, and a drill bubble gum and duct tape

;-) fixed it

 

[egdede]

I never fully understood how you could burry an approved splice -- always looked like a bad idea to me.

Yeas ago when I was doing rehabs -- placing an approved box was OK in an application like this ... because the fan was removable.

Also -- why do they still sell "handy" boxes .. I remember not being able to use them 30 years ago?

The Tyco splices are little junction boxes. They have screws into steel providing locked down strain relief. The plastic and the strain relief are very very secure.