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Hi, new to the forum but old around many similar places... :)

I've skimmed the lift threads, especially the BP ones, and plan to do a lot more reading as there's clearly a lot of hard-won knowledge in here. I hope no one minds if I start yet another thread with some general comments and questions.

We just moved into a house in central CT that qualified for four-vehicle parking only because it has 11-foot ceilings - two big bays and doors, 131 inches to the ceiling drywall. So a pair of lifts were factored in to the whole purchase, moving, adapting process. I'm now ready to pull the trigger on this and could use some check-pilot time on my decisions.

The lifts are mostly for parking, to store two summer cars and let us park our drivers indoors. I do plan to use the lifts for winter tire swaps and basic to moderate service. One summer car is an ERA Cobra that needs the usual amount of tinkering and basic maint, the other is a 68 Mustang coupe project that's in the assembly stage and obviously needs more time in the air being tooled on. (The drivers are a Volvo XC90 and a Honda Odyssey, pretty big drivers to stuff under lifts, but they'll fit.)

Obviously I need high-lift lifts so the 70-inch models won't work. That means HD-9 X models or the HD-7P. The problem is that I have to have the high lift and really would like a wider drive-through than 90 inches (for marital harmony reasons - wife has mild depth perception issues and is nervous parking in tight situations). I can't get the wider straddle, though, without going to the extra-long lifts, and I don't want to give up that two feet of my garage (nor do I intend to park any limos or crew cab trucks up there!)

So I've got a kind of frustrating compromise to make. I've spent months trying to get an answer out of BP, both directly and via ASEdeals here in CT, about a hybrid HD-9 that combines the short runways with the wide, high-lift trusses. It would SEEM that this is an off-the shelf assembly with perhaps a custom-length lift cable, but BP never answered me and ASEdeals was unable to get them to reply, either.

What BP offered is an HD-7P with wider trusses, which is a head-scratcher since that obviously involves custom fabrication. It would be a good solution and cost-effective (a whopping $45 each for the custom work)... but now, at this very late date with winter approaching, they want 90 days to deliver (meaning, likely, 120-150 days until I can park on them). I can't wait that long. The summer cars COULD go in the garage out of the weather, but the wife would then be parking outside in increasingly bad weather, meaning I would be increasingly sleeping on the couch with the Great Dane.

So... I am about to go with standard HD-7Ps and cross my fingers that I am right she will learn to park in the 90 inch straddle without too much trouble. My only other options are to cram in HD-9XWs and lose nearly all storage and workbench space, or to go with PL-6000X's.

The single-posters attract me because they'd leave so much open space in between, but the added cost (about 50% more overall), some unresolved questions about my garage slab quality, and the need to tilt a monstrous 130-inch column in with only about 1 inch of free ceiling space are big downchecks. So reasonably-sized four-posters remain the viable option.

No questions, really, but I'd appreciate any feedback, thoughts, or pointers to Must-Read threads I might have missed.

And if there's anyone around Manchester-Tolland, Connecticut with a 90-inch spread lift I could look at and perhaps let my wife drive in and out of... it would be great. Trade ya a Cobra ride... :)
 
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Try grabbing a couple sonotubes from Home Depot and put them 90" apart and see if she can manage

also, I've seen someone setup a laser on the back wall that shoots vertical (out the door kinda like a sideways laser level) and line that up on a mark on the dash while driving in.. might be an option
 
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Thanks, I've built a couple of vertical posts from lumber and she's driven through them, but it's not quite the same as driving through/under the whole frame. She SAYS she's okay with it (especially with saving ~$5k over the single-posts) but I don't want to get them installed only to find out she's not okay and I have to live with the consequences (minimum, having to go park her car every time she gets home...)

Such a pain. BP really should make at least one short, high, wide model... :wtf:

I plan to use a combination of mechanical and laser parking guides to help both of us park easily.
 

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What you really need is some tracks from an old carwash.. have her pull up on the wheel chock and have it drag it on the tracks and park itself! LOL
 
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Garage floor, inside the foundation walls, is 272 inches wide and 277 inches deep. Finished walls are another 3 inches out on both sides over a 6" concrete base wall.

Finished ceiling is 130 inches and a smidge at the inner end and 132 inches minus a smidge at the doors. I haven't actually held a level up there but I assume all of the variance is floor slope.

I actually thought about a rigid parking channel... might get in the way of a full runway drop, though.

Just noticed your location. We had a VERY convivial dinner at WilliBrew last night, first chance we've had to visit since arriving in June.
 

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I hate to rain on your parade....but with an 11 foot ceiling, You may not to be able to put all your cars in with lifts. how tall are each of your cars? Even with the lift height of 70" under the lift, that only leaves 61" of space above. Subtract the thickness of the lift ramps plus you are going to need several inches of extra headroom because the lift has to go past the lock then come down a couple inches. I don't think you are going to be able to use lifts for parking unless your cars are very short. :confused:
I forgot, you're going to need even more room than I thought....with the door in the up position to drive the cars in, you are going to lose even more headroom...
 
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I just had a thought, could you get the XW's, although 2 feet longer than the regular, but don't leave the ramps on (inside the garage)? That would make them the same length roughly as the non XW model (with the ramps), and just open the door and drop a set of the lightweight aluminum ramps on (sticking out the door) when you want to take the car on / off? That would probably be the best comprimise.. and you'd have roughly 6ft of space from the end of the lift to the back wall depending on how close you can get it to the garage door. You'd have to take the ramps off anyways to park underneath, but that will lose you 2ft of space if you get the locks to keep them straight out
 

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^ old mustang and a cobra.. should probably fit ok since those aren't too tall

I've only had Nachos and beer at WilliBrew.. both were good! LOL
 
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I've checked my vehicle fit several times, thanks - I transferred extensive measurements to a 3D CAD rendering of the garage, lifts, vehicles etc. :)

The Cobra is only 45 inches high and presents no problem; I can have almost a foot of clearance under the lift (and guess who gets to park on THAT side!) The Mustang is a little tighter, as it will be about 51 inches high when done (an inch or so shorter than stock) but right now is sitting high, about 54 inches. I may have to put some snubbers on the front springs to haul down an inch or two of height until it's completed.

Thanks, though, for the heads-up. I know I am squeezing the inches here and made doubly sure I could do this before we bought the house, as adding on garage floor space would have been prohibitive. (And the 4-bay beauty we were eyeing sold the day before we got here last year...)

The XW's are real monsters. I've put their CAD images in the drawing and it turns things into a forest of pillars that crowd out everything else including the inside steps. I wouldn't mind putting the ramps out into the driveway but it doesn't end up saving much space.

I am still thinking about the PL-6000X's, cost be damned, but I don't know my slab characteristics and (being in California until just a few weeks ago) couldn't check them. I am still having trouble determining the concrete hardness and as I had the floor epoxied, I don't want to drill random holes to check the thickness without being committed to the single-posts. (Any suggestions? I haven't been able to find a Swiss hammer for rent anywhere and no concrete company has gotten back to me about a survey...)

Also, darkk, I had the doors converted to high-lift operation and they would only interfere with a very square-backed car on the lift. Anything with a dropped trunk will clear easily.
 
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PL 6000X... only 4" @ 3ooo psi concrete requirement. That's the same specs for a two post. Kinda odd, I'd still be a little worried about the floor requirements. Ouch on the price....can buy 2 4 posters for just a few hundred more..
 
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Yeah, I am leery of the engineering of the 1-post, even with BP's reputation behind it. Any lift that depends on its floor anchors to stay upright bothers me... even 2-post lifts are self-stable without anchors holding them up. (No, I don't mean under load or in use... but they will stand there if you don't push them, unlike the 1-post.)

The floor specs seem a little marginal, too - I'd hate to find out the hard way I have 4 inches minus at 2500 psi.

Going to rattle BP's cage about getting the wide shorties on a quicker turnaround. Even the installer says 90 days sounds bogus.
 

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Nitro,

A fellow GJ'er alerted me to the thread so here's the official answer.

Question: Can BendPak make a high-rise 9,000 pound lift with short runways, or better yet, an HD-9XW (high, wide, long model) but with the HD-9 standard length runways? In a sense, a high, wide, short runway lift. Maybe we’d call it the HD-9XWS. :>)

Answer: Yes we can. But unfortunately, it will take 90-days. Remember, the cylinder under the runway is what makes the lift rise. Our high rise models, the HD-9XW (wide) and HD-9STX (narrow) elevate 12” more than their standard rise counterparts HD-9 (wide) and HD-9ST (narrow). To get 12” more lift, we have to extend the runways 24”. Why? Think about it. If you make the chrome cylinder shaft 12” longer, you would also need to make the cylinder (pipe) 12” longer as well. It would net 24” longer at full extension just by adding 12” more stroke. That’s why the runways are 24” longer on high-rise models. If you look under any of our 9,000 pound four-posts, you would see that with the lift at full height, the cylinder at full stroke has no room to spare.

What is the solution? In order to make the runways shorter and still get the high lift, we would have to use a two-to-one lifting system on the cylinder/cable pull block. That is why the HD-7P was suggested – it has a pull block assembly. Unfortunately, the HD-7P is a 7,000 pound model and more money so not a popular seller. The images below illustrate how we accomplish this.

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Because the components on the HD-7P are different, it’s not as easy as swapping parts. Then if you do indeed need 9,000 pound capacity, that makes it even more difficult because there are different stresses on these lifts when using a pull-block system. Like in most engineering, if you get something, you usually sacrifice somewhere else.

I hope this explains it a little more clearly.

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Good, complete answer, JSK. Thanks. I am still waffling between standard HD-7Ps, which are good in all respects except for the narrow drive-through AND can be in my garage in 2-3 weeks, and the custom wide-truss 7's that would have the same drive-through as the garage doors... but would not be in until at least mid-November.

I'm thrilled with BP's engineering and quality... I just wish they'd gotten back to any of my several inquiries when I had 90 days to spare. Waiting until the onset of winter to get all my cars garaged and the lifts installed is... not fun.
 
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Actually, while I have you here, JSK...

My options are to pass on lifts right now and see what other solutions I can do for $10k (garage extension, etc.); or go with the standard 7Ps and get them in within the next few weeks (then put up with a 90-inch drive-through for ten years), or put in the order for the custom-configuration 7's BP has offered. I guess I don't mind waiting for the more suitable lifts but some thought and your comments above raised a question. As BP has not been good about getting back to me directly and the seller tends to filter everything, would you be so kind as to explain...

What BP plans to deliver me, as far as I understand it, is a pair of lifts using the HD-7P posts and the crossbars from the 7PXW. I assume they'd use the standard power runway from the 7P. I understand your explanation of the lift differences above, but what I am asking for is a standard-rise 7P (81-82 inches)... which should mean that no modifications are needed to any of the big-metal parts or the lift drive. The lift cable will need to be a different, probably custom length, but overall the drive and motion of the lift remain exactly the same as a standard 7P.

For heavy-metal mods I could see 90 days. For pulling together standard parts and one custom-length cable? Really? Or am I missing something about the engineering and production here?

Thanks for your time and input...
 

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Nitro,

Excuse me for not quite understanding your needs entirely – and for not considering the behemoth HD-7PXW as a parts provider. I overlooked that model. Not too long ago it was simply an HD-7PX which would have the same narrow cross tubes. We only recently made the lift wider – hence the “W” clarifier.

Let me take a peek at our current inventory and see how fast we can turn this around for you. If we have units to spare, should be within the week.

P.S. Whoever gave you a measly special charge of $45.00 is going to be a few pennies shy when they get the real bill - should be at least $150.00 per unit.

I’ll write back soon.
 
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I have been having the same conversations with my wife on the depth perception issues of parking in between the lift columns. Good Idea to put up a few mock posts and see if it is that much of an issue for her. I have already installed the laser parking system and it helped out so much with her trying to find the right place to park.

Good ideas and info here every day, Love these forums.
 
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Jamesg302, I think I mentioned the problem with the HD-9s in my first post. If not, the problem is that when you go to wide-straddle and high lift, you also go to limousine length. The 9XWs would crowd nearly everything else out of my garage - I'd even have to turn the entry steps sideways so as not to walk straight down into the two inner columns.

Wait, just reread your post but decided to leave that answer in place. I looked at the dual lift and would have ordered it in a heartbeat... except that I can't get it to line up with my dual garage doors. I even toyed with having a single door put in but the cost was quite high and it would have ruined the house's look (northeastern colonials need carriage doors to look right...) Good suggestion, though, and thanks.

As I never intended to park any limos, crew cab pickups or cement trucks on the lifts, I really don't need the extended length, either. The 7's have plenty of lift capacity, are short enough to leave me the front of the garage for storage and a workbench (and walking room!) and the high-lift version clears both of my drivers. It all comes down to widening the post width to 107 inches, the same as the doors, and making them easier to drive under day in and day out.
 
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A question for whoever knows... how high does a BP lift's traveling assembly have to be raised to disengage the locks? I finally have a chart of the exact locking heights (courtesy of BP, through ASEdeals) but in figuring that last inch of needed space I need to know how much unlock-lift is needed. An inch? Two inches?
 

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A question for whoever knows... how high does a BP lift's traveling assembly have to be raised to disengage the locks? I finally have a chart of the exact locking heights (courtesy of BP, through ASEdeals) but in figuring that last inch of needed space I need to know how much unlock-lift is needed. An inch? Two inches?
To unlock, all you need is enough height to relieve the pressure on the lock cog. That should be under an inch. Those locking heights can be adjusted either way up or down several inches to put it exactly where you need it to be.
 

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Nitro,

Good news.

We're starting on your two HD-7W lifts today. Should be able to ship first part of next week. Stay in touch with Brian at ASEDeals.com for the shipping stuff.

Because of you, we'll be adding the HD-7W to our lineup - brand new model. It will be the same as our current HD-7P but 17" wider. Sorry, no royalties!

Nitro, thanks for hanging in there and choosing BendPak.
 
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We're starting on your two HD-7W lifts today. Should be able to ship first part of next week.
Yee-haaa! Great!

Because of you, we'll be adding the HD-7W to our lineup - brand new model. It will be the same as our current HD-7P but 17" wider. Sorry, no royalties!
...grumble grumble... looks up agent's email address...

Not even a design fee? I did give you all the specs and build ideas! :bounce:

Ideal outcome all around - thanks thanks thanks!
 

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Nitro,

Good news.

We're starting on your two HD-7W lifts today. Should be able to ship first part of next week. Stay in touch with Brian at ASEDeals.com for the shipping stuff.

Because of you, we'll be adding the HD-7W to our lineup - brand new model. It will be the same as our current HD-7P but 17" wider. Sorry, no royalties!

Nitro, thanks for hanging in there and choosing BendPak.

That 7W sounds exactly like what I need for my garage too.. When will they be added to inventories?

Jeff, what are the reasons that the 7P is higher priced than the 9's? Mostly just curious.

Lorne
 
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I think the explanation above covers the cost difference - the 7P has a more complex power runway assembly to get the higher lift in a short runway. That was the issue I didn't understand, why the 9's had to go to long runways to get higher lift.
 

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Seems like Bend Pak is just pulling out all the stops to please the car/garage crowd.....gotta give it up for these guys. Again, great customer service.:thumbup:
 

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I think the explanation above covers the cost difference - the 7P has a more complex power runway assembly to get the higher lift in a short runway. That was the issue I didn't understand, why the 9's had to go to long runways to get higher lift.

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about that from earlier in the thread.
Still sounds like a great option.

Lorne
 

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My BP lifts only took one week coast to coast (and I am farther North than you). Lots of good info here on pickup and setup.

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Yes, I've read quite a bit of the material here and need to spend another hour digging for useful gems. I am having a pro install mine, mostly because I'm not set up to handle 2-ton pallets and don't have a pack of beefy friends to lift the big parts into place. The installer here will take delivery and does have all the mechanical and human muscle needed...

Is that a Sonett IV? I haven't seen one of those in a forever. There was a sad one in a wrecking yard I worked at as a teen, and I REALLY wanted to buy it until I saw what parts cost... may as well have been machined of gold as far as my paltry paycheck went.
 

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If you need the extra hight, see if you can have the ceiling raised in the areas of where the roof of the cars is located. This is assuming that there is no living space above the garage. I am in the same boat with my cars, since most of my collector cars have very tall roofs..
 
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Fortunately, I do have an 11-foot ceiling even after the finished drywall... fortunately because the garage does underlie part of the living area. There's no way to squeeze out more than maybe a bare inch more, and it would take a ton of expensive work.

All this does mean I get to sleep on top of my Cobra. :D

And the lifts did ship on Friday and are gently wafting their way CT-ward.
 
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Well, I'm still waiting to get my HD-7W's in - something about a hurricane. They were supposed to go in the week before Irene, and the installer asked to postpone things for a week... and that was the week that was. Now I'm having trouble reaching the installer, whose town was hit a lot harder than ours, and I have nightmare images of my lifts sitting on his shop floor... under two feet of water. I dunno.

The lifts reached him so fast that none of us were ready - his shop neighbor had to unload the pallets for him because he was across the state. Kudos to BP for getting these new-design units out so fast... I just wish I'd laid eyes on them yet! :wtf:
 

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Seriously? All that and then the OP does not follow-up to close out this thread with the end result and some nice pictures? I feel cheated.
 
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