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New building with a problem
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That is just plain shoddy workmanship.
For sure you have some hart to hart talking with the contractor to set up.
It might not hurt to mention your previous sucess with bad contractors.
I just found that out last Thursday the day before I had to my Dr. for test results from another surgery 10 days ago, and the day after being in Court with the guy that took our money. I called the building inspector when I was on my way to the appointment he is coming over Monday. I told the building inspector I would like to hold off to see what they will do before he goes after them.
The sad thing is they knew what I had been going through since last Dec. They just want the money. I put up metal buildings until the 80's when I had some bad injuries. We always swept the roof before leaving the job
krooser
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It's a pole building and that type of construction isn't meant to be air tight at the roof. I have the same deal with mine... it's just the way it is. They CAN be made to be absolutely tight but it requires different building techniques.
Regarding the rust issue... I think it's unreasonable to expect a new roof just because of a few small defects. A little primer and paint would take care of that for just a few dollars. I'd ask for some $$$ and have them repair the damage.
If that were a new car I doubt the manufacturer would put on a new body panel when it could be easily repaired.
I don't believe you'll have any durability issues if the paint is touched up...I repainted my pole shed with latex house paint 16 years ago... it still looks great. Some people told me it wouldn't last but a local doctor had his steel building redone several years before I did mine and that gave me the guts to do mine. I read the paint label and it said the paint was also for metal buildings so we got out the brushes...
Regarding the rust issue... I think it's unreasonable to expect a new roof just because of a few small defects. A little primer and paint would take care of that for just a few dollars. I'd ask for some $$$ and have them repair the damage.
If that were a new car I doubt the manufacturer would put on a new body panel when it could be easily repaired.
I don't believe you'll have any durability issues if the paint is touched up...I repainted my pole shed with latex house paint 16 years ago... it still looks great. Some people told me it wouldn't last but a local doctor had his steel building redone several years before I did mine and that gave me the guts to do mine. I read the paint label and it said the paint was also for metal buildings so we got out the brushes...
It's a pole building and that type of construction isn't meant to be air tight at the roof. I have the same deal with mine... it's just the way it is. They CAN be made to be absolutely tight but it requires different building techniques.
Regarding the rust issue... I think it's unreasonable to expect a new roof just because of a few small defects. A little primer and paint would take care of that for just a few dollars. I'd ask for some $$$ and have them repair the damage.
If that were a new car I doubt the manufacturer would put on a new body panel when it could be easily repaired.
I don't believe you'll have any durability issues if the paint is touched up...I repainted my pole shed with latex house paint 16 years ago... it still looks great. Some people told me it wouldn't last but a local doctor had his steel building redone several years before I did mine and that gave me the guts to do mine. I read the paint label and it said the paint was also for metal buildings so we got out the brushes...
First of all I wasn't asking for opinions. I asked if this has happened to anyone else, and the recourse. I started Iron Work in 1967 I put up metal buildings for a living. I don't need to explain any further.
nate379
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You don't need to be a **** about it dude! The info that krooser provided is good info.
Honestly if you want to me like that, you can see yourself to the door and don't let it hit your *** on the way out. I'm sure most everyone else will agree with me there.
Honestly if you want to me like that, you can see yourself to the door and don't let it hit your *** on the way out. I'm sure most everyone else will agree with me there.
Daniel Dudley
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Don't they usually put a foam gasket under the cap ? I know I have used them. And is that rust on top of the finish or through the finish on the metal ? If I owned the company that built that, I WOULD HAVE A GUY UP THERE PRONTO.
tcianci
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I know what it is like to not get what you expected for a project but in fairness to the builder, the stuff you are concerned about is minor. Your roof can have some light showing at the peak like you have noticed and still never leak. Also while a quick sweep may have avoided the rust stains you have seen, they are a by-product of the self drilling screws and your rust stains will probably just disappear over time. Play nice with the other kids and you will get a lot farther with them in the form of satisfaction
You don't need to be a **** about it dude! The info that krooser provided is good info.
Honestly if you want to me like that, you can see yourself to the door and don't let it hit your *** on the way out. I'm sure most everyone else will agree with me there.
How many buildings have you or Krooser put up? I said I started putting up metal buildings when I got out of the Army 1967. I knew he didn't know what he was talking about that's why I said I wouldn't go any further.
You had to jump on me just because I have a few posts but I signed on before you plus I have been checking this site for quite a while. If Ryan put you in charge then kick me off if that's what you were getting at.
Every forum has someone that wants to start trouble. I'm disabled and 63 years old but I'm like most people. I don't try to tell someone something unless I know for sure what I'm talking about.
Daniel Dudley, knows what he is talking about. He is referring to closure's they conform to the corrugation of the sheet; they are what was messed up. In just this short period of time the metal has gone through the paint. It was more than daylight. It's big enough for a bird or other animals to get in.
No one can tell me that if they buy a new car and it sat in the body shop while workers were grinding they would accept a little primer, and touch up paint. Why can't people do the right thing when they are getting paid for it? All they would have had to do was simply sweep off the roof, that's what we did when I was putting up metal buildings.
I just posted a few pictures to give an idea. I took 61 pictures on just one side of the top. The roof has rust in areas where the shaving’s that didn’t blown off get washed off by rain. There are other things I just wanted to know if anyone had that happen to them. I believe I said when the salesman thought it was a defect in the sheets, he said the manufacture would have to replace the roof. This was not a cheap building either.
Whats so hard to understand? Don't most of us on this site have an interest in cars? That building was built to store cars. I really enjoyed this site because of the information but because you seem to have taken charge you won't have to let the door kick me in the ***. I'm not clear on what you were trying to say at the beginning of your sentence. I’m assuming you had a typing error. I didn’t post to get something started I asked a question.
I told you my age would you be so kind to tell everyone yours.
This will be my last post you can do all the name-calling you want but I won’t respond. If the moderator thinks I’m the troublemaker I will see myself to the door. Without being a member most sites will not let you get to some area's so I joined.
e-tek
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GENTLEMEN, PLEASE!
Yikes guys - don't let a few words spoil the entire expereince. It's much easier to get off on a bad tangent than it is to just move on.
This is another reason I have those first words as my signature....
Yikes guys - don't let a few words spoil the entire expereince. It's much easier to get off on a bad tangent than it is to just move on.
This is another reason I have those first words as my signature....
GeorgiaHybrid
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Custom,
It should have had a deck closure placed before screwing the deck down. I'm sure you have done a few of them in the past. You got a few years on me in the business (well 10 to be exact, I started in 77 and I'm 53). Either way, the decking company should have a warranty for rust thru despite the shavings left on top. They usually cause a rust stain on the exterior of the paint but should never cause rust to penetrate the top coat and primer coat of paint.
Are they rust holes or "screw-up holes"? We had to go behind a guy on a couple of standing seam roofing jobs where his guys could not run a screwgun for ****. They put in rubber plugs the color of the roof to hide the "mistakes" when they missed a purlin and the plugs started coming out about 3 months later.
It should have had a deck closure placed before screwing the deck down. I'm sure you have done a few of them in the past. You got a few years on me in the business (well 10 to be exact, I started in 77 and I'm 53). Either way, the decking company should have a warranty for rust thru despite the shavings left on top. They usually cause a rust stain on the exterior of the paint but should never cause rust to penetrate the top coat and primer coat of paint.
Are they rust holes or "screw-up holes"? We had to go behind a guy on a couple of standing seam roofing jobs where his guys could not run a screwgun for ****. They put in rubber plugs the color of the roof to hide the "mistakes" when they missed a purlin and the plugs started coming out about 3 months later.
krooser
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How many buildings have you or Krooser put up? I said I started putting up metal buildings when I got out of the Army 1967. I knew he didn't know what he was talking about that's why I said I wouldn't go any further.
You had to jump on me just because I have a few posts but I signed on before you plus I have been checking this site for quite a while. If Ryan put you in charge then kick me off if that's what you were getting at.
Every forum has someone that wants to start trouble. I'm disabled and 63 years old but I'm like most people. I don't try to tell someone something unless I know for sure what I'm talking about.
Daniel Dudley, knows what he is talking about. He is referring to closure's they conform to the corrugation of the sheet; they are what was messed up. In just this short period of time the metal has gone through the paint. It was more than daylight. It's big enough for a bird or other animals to get in.
No one can tell me that if they buy a new car and it sat in the body shop while workers were grinding they would accept a little primer, and touch up paint. Why can't people do the right thing when they are getting paid for it? All they would have had to do was simply sweep off the roof, that's what we did when I was putting up metal buildings.
I just posted a few pictures to give an idea. I took 61 pictures on just one side of the top. The roof has rust in areas where the shaving’s that didn’t blown off get washed off by rain. There are other things I just wanted to know if anyone had that happen to them. I believe I said when the salesman thought it was a defect in the sheets, he said the manufacture would have to replace the roof. This was not a cheap building either.
Whats so hard to understand? Don't most of us on this site have an interest in cars? That building was built to store cars. I really enjoyed this site because of the information but because you seem to have taken charge you won't have to let the door kick me in the ***. I'm not clear on what you were trying to say at the beginning of your sentence. I’m assuming you had a typing error. I didn’t post to get something started I asked a question.
I told you my age would you be so kind to tell everyone yours.
This will be my last post you can do all the name-calling you want but I won’t respond. If the moderator thinks I’m the troublemaker I will see myself to the door. Without being a member most sites will not let you get to some area's so I joined.
Well Mr Know-It-All I've done one... bought it at auction, diassembled it, moved it 25 miles and put it back up. My son-in-law , who helped me reassemble it, has 20 years in the business.
If you didn't want advice you shouldn't have hit the keys on your keyboard.
Adios... BTW I'm 60.
scottybaccus
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By putting your question here, you did ask for opinions.
Why would anyone with an opinion worth hearing want to give it after seeing this bickering.
You spent some serious coin on a building and took their quality for granted. Personally, I would have made sure they swept the roof before they left the job. I would have examined the fit of the ridge cap before they left the job. I would have made my own punch list beforethey left the job.
At your advanced... experience, you should have know this, right?
You have cosmetic rust stains and winter is here. What exactly do you expect at this point?
Why would anyone with an opinion worth hearing want to give it after seeing this bickering.
You spent some serious coin on a building and took their quality for granted. Personally, I would have made sure they swept the roof before they left the job. I would have examined the fit of the ridge cap before they left the job. I would have made my own punch list beforethey left the job.
At your advanced... experience, you should have know this, right?
You have cosmetic rust stains and winter is here. What exactly do you expect at this point?
timewarp
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From the pictures I can't tell if these are just cosmetic rust stains as has been stated or if hot pieces of metal from using a saw landed on the panels and melted through the paint and galvanized coating underneath. If they are just cosmetic then a good cleaning should remove most of the stain, but if they are actual damage to the roofing then I would agree that they should replace the metal as it will not last as long as it is supposed to. Also the manufacturers warranty on the material will probably be void as it wasn't installed per their instructions which usually talk about not getting hot metal shavings on the finish.
nissan_crawler
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Even if it is surface rust stains, i would be amazed if they could get them of without thinning the coating.
Our 25 year old quonset was sealed well, and had no rust on it like that.
Our 25 year old quonset was sealed well, and had no rust on it like that.
That is just plain shoddy workmanship.
For sure you have some hart to hart talking with the contractor to set up.
It might not hurt to mention your previous sucess with bad contractors.
You are right. In the beginning they were doing a good of framing but from there it was one mistake after another.
Even if it is surface rust stains, i would be amazed if they could get them of without thinning the coating.
Our 25 year old quonset was sealed well, and had no rust on it like that.
Those few pictures were just to give an example, it's bad and with the money I paid I want what I paid for. The rep said it was from the shaving's he was right.
From the pictures I can't tell if these are just cosmetic rust stains as has been stated or if hot pieces of metal from using a saw landed on the panels and melted through the paint and galvanized coating underneath. If they are just cosmetic then a good cleaning should remove most of the stain, but if they are actual damage to the roofing then I would agree that they should replace the metal as it will not last as long as it is supposed to. Also the manufacturers warranty on the material will probably be void as it wasn't installed per their instructions which usually talk about not getting hot metal shavings on the finish.
Yes, there were hot pieces from a saw where they cut out for a window those hit the sidewall sheets. They just brought one sheet to replace one damaged sheet the same day that I wanted to see what the roof looked like while the salesman was there. I know it wasn't the manufacturers fault.
By putting your question here, you did ask for opinions.
Why would anyone with an opinion worth hearing want to give it after seeing this bickering.
You spent some serious coin on a building and took their quality for granted. Personally, I would have made sure they swept the roof before they left the job. I would have examined the fit of the ridge cap before they left the job. I would have made my own punch list beforethey left the job.
At your advanced... experience, you should have know this, right?
You have cosmetic rust stains and winter is here. What exactly do you expect at this point?
I asked a question. I didn't say anything out of line. I was there pretty much of the time. I said I was disabled from injuries. I didn't take it for granted I said the guys that messed up the roof on my house wanted to put the building up but after seeing what they did I couldn't let them do the building. It's not cosmetic stains. I expect to get what I paid for.
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Well Mr Know-It-All I've done one... bought it at auction, diassembled it, moved it 25 miles and put it back up. My son-in-law , who helped me reassemble it, has 20 years in the business.
If you didn't want advice you shouldn't have hit the keys on your keyboard.
Adios... BTW I'm 60.
I wasn't asking your age but you come back with the name calling anyway.
I'm sure most if not all of you guys on the forum are more intelligent then me. I left School to go in the Army at 17 years old. I asked the age of the guy that jumped on me with the respect that a lot of young guys have today. I don't think I said anything to get this started but a lot jumped on to continue it.
I didn't ask for advice, I asked if this has happened to anyone.
Like I said I have been watching this site, and like it, I guess I should not have asked a question. The way some people have a short temper, if they had a problem they may be frustrated also if they had experienced what I have this year. I said I paid for a building and ended up in Court because the guy admitted to the Judge he came to our house with the intention of taking our money, and not putting up a building.
Custom,
It should have had a deck closure placed before screwing the deck down. I'm sure you have done a few of them in the past. You got a few years on me in the business (well 10 to be exact, I started in 77 and I'm 53). Either way, the decking company should have a warranty for rust thru despite the shavings left on top. They usually cause a rust stain on the exterior of the paint but should never cause rust to penetrate the top coat and primer coat of paint.
Are they rust holes or "screw-up holes"? We had to go behind a guy on a couple of standing seam roofing jobs where his guys could not run a screwgun for ****. They put in rubber plugs the color of the roof to hide the "mistakes" when they missed a purlin and the plugs started coming out about 3 months later.
I wasn't trying to be a smart guy or a know it all. You know what I'm talking about. I had to go back and fix many holes where guys didn't care where they were running screws. I mentioned the closures; if they are not interlocked they will move if the screw was put down without them knowing it. In less then a month the metal shavings have gone through the paint. I want the two Companies to figure out what to do. I don't want money, and let it go. It's a 4 12 pitch, I went off of a 1 12 pitch headfirst, I was lucky I survived, I was busted and broken up pretty bad. It's been a long time since I was on a roof but I wanted to see the area that had the closure messed up. I wasn't expecting to see the rust, and I didn't think they would leave the metal shavings there. It doesn't make any difference now but I gave the guy a pretty good tip because I thought they did a good job.
We did standing seam roofs, before that we did the button punch. I tried to do what I was getting paid to do, and that's what I expected on my building.
I have a building that's 15 years old with no problems other then it's getting time for a shingled roof. If I had it to do over that's the kind of roof I would have gone with on this building.