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Thats interesting. Just bought a Li-ion drill/impact combo a few months back, shame to see it may be phased out by 20v... They just redesigned the line-up to the lithium ion versions so I believe those will stick around for a while to come IMO...:)
 

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So I have a question somewhat regarding this...Im looking at buying a 3/8 impact and hammerdrill in 18 volt. What does it mean when the tool description says it has a "nano base"? Also, will my existing XRP 1/2 inch impact run off of the Lithium Ion batteries and vice versa?
 

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I just hope this does not cause a shortage of batteries and accessories for the 18V line. The main reason for DeWalt to release the "20V Max" series is to fully integrate the LiIon technology into the tools themselves. The 18V LiIon line was thankfully made backwards compatible, but that left the entire line as a bit of a kludge. Since the NiCd days, the tools themselves are rather "dumb" in that there was no overload protection, cell protection or any sort of battery management built into the tools in the beginning. To retrofit LiIon technology into the old tools, the battery management and protection circuitry had to be built into the battery packs themselves. If you compare the NiCD and LiIon packs, the "stem" of the NiCd contains one of the cells that make up the pack, where the LiIon packs housed a complicated battery management module in the little space. There is no communication between the tool and the pack like there is in fully integrated LiIon-only tools, like Makita, Bosch, Milwaukee or even DeWalt's 12V Max and 36V lines. In order to make the best use of the battery technology and build in a bit more future-proofing, the power control in the tool and the cell protection in the pack have to communicate with each other. This is why most true LiIon systems have several connector pins on the battery and the tool. The 18V line uses only the two battery connection and that is it. The third terminal is a temp sensor in the pack used by the charger in the NiCD line, and a more sophisticated monitoring pin used by the LiIon charging system, which is why the NiCd chargers are not "forward compatible". The new yellow LiIon chargers work with the NiCDs though.

DeWalt has a chance to unify and future-proof the new tool lineup by changing the pack formats as well as the tools themselves. It's reported that the 20V Max chargers will support the current 12V Max and upcoming "14.4" LiIon tools. By doing so, they will have to completely abandon the current pod-and-stem battery pack design that is about 20 years old now, and a throwback to the earlier B&D Professional 7.2-13.2V NiCd setups. The tools themselves can be lighter, the packs smaller and more useful energy can be gotten from the packs. By more closely monitoring the charge levels, much like laptops do, the charge can be metered and excessive discharge and overcharge avoided.

I just hope DeWalt does not pull support for the older lines too soon, I have close to two dozen 18V tools, a few 14.4 and 36V tools, and the early B&D Pro stuff, and they have been awesome performers all. The B&D "Univolt" line appears to have been finally abandoned in the last couple years, and the tools are sitting idle now as a result.
 

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So I have a question somewhat regarding this...Im looking at buying a 3/8 impact and hammerdrill in 18 volt. What does it mean when the tool description says it has a "nano base"? Also, will my existing XRP 1/2 inch impact run off of the Lithium Ion batteries and vice versa?

The "nano base" means the base of the tool is smaller to accommodate the smaller LiIon XRP pack as well as the original NiCD 18V packs. The LiIon packs fit the older tools, but the base of those tools is elongated to fit the original NiCd packs. When you plug a LiIon pack into the older tools, it fits, but the fore-and-aft ends of the base overhang the battery pack and look a bit clumsy. Some tools won't balance on the smaller LiIon pack as they did on the bigger footprint of the NiCds. You can use the NiCds on the nano base tools, the pack looks as though it was made for the newer tools.

The 20V Max line will not work in the older stuff at all. But, if you think of it, the 18V LiIon packs are "20V Max" by their nature. The 20V Max line is nominally 18 volts. There is nothing but marketing in the difference in voltage. However, the newer line can use a more modern cell type that gives more power and runtime, such higher powered batteries need more electrical "supervision" to make sure overloads, under-and overcharging don't occur. That was never considered when the original 18V line came out.
 

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DeWALT/BD makes more money selling the 18V NiCd. They have to make LiIon to fight comp, but they'd prefer to sell the NiCd.
 

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Noooooooooo......

the main reason I like my dewalt 18v stuff is that over the generations they kept compatability. I could use my old tools with the new nano batteries and keep my ever growing collection going. now with new battery connections that will not be possible. that was the main reason why I kept buying dewalt stuff and what kept me from venturing to other brands. I always wanted to get more bosch stuff but kept loyal to dewalt to keep things simple, one charger, one battery. I guess from now I will start fresh when its time to buy a new tool. I think I'll be going with bosch.
 
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Time to ditch my DeWalt's and go Makita I guess. No sense keeping the current 18v Li-Ion since it isn't going to be compatible...
 

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Call me old fashioned but I'm plenty happy with my 14.4 drill. Guess I better stock up on some brushes etc soon........................
 

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It seems Europe does not allow or discourages the use of "max" ratings. This should be the norm here in the US, but marketing rules the road here. It got out of hand with HP ratings for shop vacs and air compressors, it took years but the kibosh was laid down on that nonsense. A similar problem happened with small engine HP ratings, though it was much less of an outright lie as were shop vac inflated ratings. The big issue was that the HP ratings of the engines were more or less truthful, but the application the engine was used in did not allow it to be operated at the speed needed to develop the stated HP. Now all the ratings are totally gone and we have to make decisions based on engine displacement, or in the case of B&S engines, "gross torque." Here is where HP ratings are a prime consideration for selecting machinery and that spec is completely gone.
 

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I have several Dewalt cordless tools,don't get me wrong I love them but darn keeping up with all those new products and now different batteries I think maybe I will start using my corded tools more and more!
 
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