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New festool CT SYS for 2016

dogdad

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This unit is new for summer 2016 and just came out... Small and only 106 cfm's..can turn into a blower..true hepa..$375...The smaller cfm rating if 106 makes me think of going with the Fein turbo 1 with 151 cfm's...not true hepa and only $299...
Anyone have this new festool CT SYS? Thoughts/ review??
 
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Monte

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The question probably is do you need a compact portable vacuum or not ? :)
 

rice rocket

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So let me get this straight. You're looking for a portable vacuum, and you buy a box, that you have to plug in....and has the literal ergonomics of a box?

If you want something portable...why don't you....get something portable?

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This looks real practical... :lol::lol::lol:

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But hey, Festoolers will buy anything that's green.
 
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rice rocket

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The huge advantage of the Festool is that it locks in with their other Systainers. Being a true HEPA rated vac is also a biggie.


Really? That's the huge advantage at play here? That your portable vacuum can be locked to a heavy stack of boxes?

I have about 20 systainers, I have not once thought "hmm, if only I could move 100 lbs of tools around when I'm vacuuming/sanding/etc." :eyecrazy:



The Makita is true HEPA certified as well FWIW.
 

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I used it at one of their demos and it didn't do a lot for me. I would much rather have another mini vac with a dust deputy.
 
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Really? That's the huge advantage at play here? That your portable vacuum can be locked to a heavy stack of boxes?

Well, I wouldn't lock the portable vac to the other Systainers while trying to use it :lol_hitti... but... if I was bringing my stuff onto the jobsite or transporting a stack of Systainers in the truck, then having a small vac available in the stack could be a good thing.
 

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I came across this. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HXL6YJE/?tag=atomicindus08-20 Seems a little expensive and you have to buy a charger and (2) battery packs. While the filter may be rated as Hepa, I wondering about the Hepa certification mention. There's quite a bit of difference.
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There's a lot of misinformation about this out there perpetrated by Festool, long story short, there's no such thing as full-unit HEPA certified vacuums.

The Department of Energy came up with the HEPA standard in the 70s for use in nuclear plants, and created guidelines for testing, which third party labs now do the actual certification of the filters. Note that the standard is only for FILTERS.

In 2008, the EPA decided to use the HEPA designation when creating their RRP lead abatement rules, stating that to pass their standards, the vac must be designed around a HEPA filter, however as long as no air leaks around the filter, it would pass EPA RRP standards. There is no test, there is no certification process.

Festool, in need of a marketing ploy, decided to rap on this HEPA thing, and starting claiming that they were the "only" full-unit HEPA certified vacuum....except that's not even a real thing. The DOE/EPA never created a full-unit HEPA standard, nor a test to validate this.

A Festool employee even verified this when it first came out on JLC forums.

http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/...tors-fully-hepa-certified?p=866762#post866762


To be clear, there is no certification process accredited by the EPA. A manufacturer, Festool included, cannot claim to have EPA or RRP certification. It is our responsibility as manufacturers to protect the best interests of you, the remodeler/painter/etc., by ensuring that we FULLY comply with the entire legislation as its written. And, Festool feels confident that it has gone to every extent to ensure that it has fully complied with the letter and spirit of the law.

This has been confirmed by several posters who spoke directly to the EPA on other forums as well:

http://www.painttalk.com/f6/dustless-hepa-vacuum-14970/#post239914
http://www.contractortalk.com/f11/rrp-hepa-vacuum-i-love-one-i-just-got-76461/#post919002




In the end, the idea was to try an bar people from slapping a HEPA filter into a shopvac and calling it EPA RRP compliant, but realistically any vacuum designed to seal around a factory available HEPA filter is "full-unit HEPA", in their words.
 

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Really? That's the huge advantage at play here? That your portable vacuum can be locked to a heavy stack of boxes?

I have about 20 systainers, I have not once thought "hmm, if only I could move 100 lbs of tools around when I'm vacuuming/sanding/etc." :eyecrazy:

The Makita is true HEPA certified as well FWIW.

I never under stood the FesFOOL 'systainer' thing - other than people trying to show off with pictures of how many they own.

I don't keep any of my Festools in the box - they take up too much room
 

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I'm in the process of reviewing one.

It's a little whiney, and it's not as portable as I'd like. I wish it were cordless.

I can see the benefit, but it won't work for everyone.
 

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I never under stood the FesFOOL 'systainer' thing - other than people trying to show off with pictures of how many they own.

I don't keep any of my Festools in the box - they take up too much room

I love my Systainers, L-Boxxes, and ToughSystem boxes. It's convenient to have things modularized and compartmentalized.
 
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