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auburnseeker

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I've visited this site a few times to drool over the great garages posted.
We finally upgraded to a bigger house which came with a great 28' by 50' garage. Stick built, cedar sided pretty good pitch with a loft, clear span inside.
It's a nice size but unfortunately my toy collection and parts business will overfill this once I move it all here.
I have a 40 x 40 Shop that I'm selling that is pretty full as well as a tractor trailer body full of parts, a storage unit and a 24 by 28 foot garage at our old house that we are selling so I will need to put up another building.
The good part is the house we just bought has over 7 acres of land. part of it's on a hill but I have a really good spot behind the existing garage to build a bigger shop.
I've been looking around on the web and have seen prices all over the place of the few I can find.
What I'm thinking is a clear span building 50' x 60' One 12 ' x 12' Garage door on the gable end. 14 foot side walls and I would really like a shingled roof 6 on 12 pitch with 2 foot overhang. Sliding tin roofs really irk me.
The size I was thinking will allow me to pull cars in and park them along the outside walls pointed to the center, leaving the center open to either work on my regular truck or tractor if need be and not block in any car like the problem of a traditional 4 car 2 deep garage. (providing I don't tear the truck or tractor apart in front of the cars)
I like the look of wood whether it's a steel frame with wood siding or all wood(being our house is cedar sided as is the garage, I want it to blend on the property).
I would like some windows in it and have great southern exposure to utilize them.
It will be heated. So insulation and eventually finished will be the goal. Radiant in floor would be ideal but may just be a dream.
I have the ability to build it from scratch, I've built a 4000 square foot 3 story Adirondack camp from 3 pages of plans when I had a contracting business (you had to love that architect, when I asked him questions he said just do what you think is right) but haven't built much in the last 5 years since I started my parts business which is pretty time consuming.
Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences?
I searched the forums a bit and seen some great things.
Has anyone built something real similar and what did it cost?
Does anyone have any pictures of a garage like this with cars in it? It's hard to visualize a building with stuff in it when you are looking at a drawing of an empty building. (I've got a few scale models of my cars. I was thinking of making a scale blueprint to put them in it and try turning radiouses and what not to determine if it will be enough space.
Unfortunately I'm not made of money so I have to find out what I'm in for.
I would like to have the concrete work and shell put up with a roof on it. I can probably do the rest.
Geobarns look great and they are based probably only a couple of hours from here.
This looks great and is even bigger than I'm looking for but may end up being too much money with concrete electrical, insulation, etc.
http://www.barnpros.com/barn-plans-...d=1552&prodid=6774&pagetitle=The+Warehouse+72
As it is I will have to sell a couple toys to help finance it anyways.
A friend had the Amish build him a 30 by 40. His with concrete, wood sided with shingled roof, came in at the mid 40's, not including garage doors, but it did include side doors and windows as well as electric. He had the site ready but had a contractor finalize the footing work.
I've heard good things about Morton buildings as well. In the end I'm thinking of serious insulation to lower the heating costs.
It's easier to convince the wife to heat a building I store stuff in if it isn't costing much to heat.
I can somewhat hide the building but I don't want it to look like a tin can either.
Thoughts, suggestions, wild ideas all welcome.
 
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Hello and welcome to the forum Auburnseeker, I can't help you with your questions however I am sure some of our more learned members will chime in, in the mean time, enjoy.


Thanks for the welcome.
I'm hoping to get a little feedback. Especially in the size and pricing department.
That 60 by 72 building is looking more and more tempting. Has anyone dealt with that company?
Good overhangs, Wood siding and asphalt shingles are all a biggie on the want list.
Maybe it's time to get the tape out again and set some corners to see if I can properly place it on the location I was thinking with room for snow removal and a proper entry angle taking into account the grade and possible setback for the utility easement. The property boarders the power line so atleast 50 feet is always going to be clear behind it guaranteeing some southern exposure.
 

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AS: there are so many options and choices to choose from might i suggest you start reading threads in the garage gallery about garages the size you are thinking of building. if you find some that are close and with some of the nice things you want in your garage just ask questions there if you still have any.

the Intro threads don't get a lot of members views and until we know you and your likes its hard for us to say what would work for you.

do you have any pictures of your lot or plans of your new garage? or maybe what's going inside it to post here so you'll know how to post pictures?

One thing i know for sure if you ask the question about what size garage should i build the majority of the answers will be to build one as big as you can afford or the city/county will allow on your lot. also since you are asking about building you probably should put your location in your GJ profile so members know which part of the world you live in. the previous post was from one of our nicest members and he's from Down Under which might be a different day and a whole different set of rules for building.

welcome
 
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Barn Pros Warehouse 72 can't be built with an over 50 lb snow load sop they are out. Waiting to still hear from Morton. Are there any sites with online calculators that don't require a request Quote?
I did a simple mock up and 50 by 60 might not work.
The 60 by 72 would.
I'm thinking hardy plank siding and an asphalt roof on a pole barn structure. Morton looks to atleast use no wood below grade.
The warehouse 72 was up to almost 80,000 with a shingled roof if I erected it myself.
 

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Barn Pros Warehouse 72 can't be built with an over 50 lb snow load sop they are out. Waiting to still hear from Morton. Are there any sites with online calculators that don't require a request Quote?
I did a simple mock up and 50 by 60 might not work.
The 60 by 72 would.
I'm thinking hardy plank siding and an asphalt roof on a pole barn structure. Morton looks to atleast use no wood below grade.
The warehouse 72 was up to almost 80,000 with a shingled roof if I erected it myself.


Why shingles?

I would go metal for a building that size.
 
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My thought on roofing is based on personal experience. Metal slides creating a huge wall of snow that then ices into a huge bank / wall. Then you get a rain storm, not uncommon in our area, with everything frozen. Now you have a crazy amount of water coming down to flood the building. Gutters get knocked off a meta roof so that doesn't work either. It's also near impossible to get on/ stay on a meta roof if you have to go on it to fix anything.
Just my thought. I just moved from a house that had a metal roof on the garage which you had to catch just right when it slid or have ice problems for the rest of the winter.
 

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I laid out a 60 by 72 and it will fit and be almost hidden where I want to put it so it won't be ominous when driving up the drive. Looks to be about 3-4 foot of grade over the whole area and the access driveway I'll have to add can be extended from the drive to the storage shed already on the property. Unfortunately I don't have the money to make it a show piece. If I ever do I can always cut a few more trees and expose it a bit more.
 
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I haven't been on here in a while but it looks like my current 1600 square foot shop is finally under contract so I can get serious about building a new shop.
I figure the best plan, since I need a place to put some of my tools and equipments as well as a few finished cars is to get my 28 by 50 garage with 10 foot ceilings finished inside first.
I need to insulate it (2x6 Studs and 10 inch floor joists for the upper story) then put some kind of sheathing inside to finish it for now.
I've been doing a ton of research and eventually plan to put a coal boiler in this to heat the radiant floor in the new shop. I've been told this may provide enough heat to heat the smaller current garage/ shop as a byproduct. The new shop will be about 70 feet from the corner of the old garage I'm currently finishing off.
After a ton of research and pricing I'm thinking of unfaced Roxul insulation.
I'm then thinking of a 2 inch solid layer of unfaced foam inside that then wrap the whole thing inside with armafoil or a similar product for a radiant shield.
Any thoughts on that from members that have used it? I'll be heating it this first winter with a monitor heater. I can get all the foam insulation for just under $ 2,000 delivered. The roxul is going to add another nearly 3500.00 to that. So 5,500 or so on insulation.
I also have to order in a couple of garage air line kits. I put a couple of those in my old shop and it was really nice to not have the air hoses to trip over or knock things down. A 10' whip could do almost everything I needed.

I checked with the local planning board and they don't see any problems with building the building I want to put up.
We are running into crunch time with winter unfortunately getting closer especially with lead times on building kits.
I'm thinking possibly of going with a freestanding structure like one of these then finishing it off myself.
http://www.buildabarnllcwv.com/
I have the equipment and skills to do that just not the manpower or time to get the basic shell up.
Once I figure out how to add photos I'll post some of the current project.
 
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Here are some shots of the current garage the roughed in approach road off my current drive and a few shots taken from inside the staked out area for the new shop, as well as an aerial with a rough scale overview of where the shop will be.
 

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Auburn: one day i'd love to own a nice old truck like that just to drive around. in case you want to post on a thread where it's more for the local guys too here's a link to one i started that has guys mostly from PNW, but it's not a closed group so a few guys from across the pond or down under might pop on it too.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314689

cheers and again welcome to the forum and hope you have more time to post this year.
 

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AS, nice Hudson! You might think about starting a thread in the gallery section, you will get more answers to your questions and also look through the old threads
 
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