New guy, with dream garage being built
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Double Venom
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462goat,
Great start. One comment, if you haven't poured the floor yet...IN FLOOR HEAT- 4 ZONES NOT TWO! Did I mention in floor heat?
It's truly amazing...no fans (read noise and moving air), nothing hanging in the air or from the trusses, no noise, no filters to change, no hot or cold spots, just a nice toasty floor.
Pricey to buy and install, but it is super cheap to run!
DV
Great start. One comment, if you haven't poured the floor yet...IN FLOOR HEAT- 4 ZONES NOT TWO! Did I mention in floor heat?
It's truly amazing...no fans (read noise and moving air), nothing hanging in the air or from the trusses, no noise, no filters to change, no hot or cold spots, just a nice toasty floor.
Pricey to buy and install, but it is super cheap to run!
DV
Luckydevil
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That thing is a monster! 
You're gonna need a seperate address from the house for your garage.
You're gonna need a seperate address from the house for your garage.
Luckydevil said:That thing is a monster!
You're gonna need a seperate address from the house for your garage.
Speaking of seperate, put in a seperate electric service from the house. Meter and all. I back up DV 100% on in floor heat. It truely is the best.
When I was planning this shop, I thought about radient floor heating. Due to cost, I decided to not go that route. The climate in Western Washington is pretty mild most of the time, and I will use some sort of portable heater when it is really cold, and probably won't need it most of the year. I am going to section off the left side of the building, with an 8' ceiling to include the 1st left bay, with a wall there. Going to drywall and insulate that space, and I will have a lot less area to keep warm. I will be looking around here for tips on all the work I have to do still.
Why the seperate service to the shop? I was just going to run 60 amp service from the house.
Why the seperate service to the shop? I was just going to run 60 amp service from the house.
Fantastic start! Please post pics as you progress.
As far as the electricity goes, I have always went with the "more is better" plan. Please keep in mind that I am not an electrician, but after figuring up how much power would be needed for a compressor, welder, lighting... I believe a 60 amp service would be the minimum you could get by with, IMO. I realize cost is always a factor in anything we do.
Good luck.
As far as the electricity goes, I have always went with the "more is better" plan. Please keep in mind that I am not an electrician, but after figuring up how much power would be needed for a compressor, welder, lighting... I believe a 60 amp service would be the minimum you could get by with, IMO. I realize cost is always a factor in anything we do.
Good luck.
danski0224
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It won't cost much to have the tubing installed for the radiant heat. Just buy the rest later a finances allow.
Around here, the power company wanted a monthly fee for an extra meter, PLUS the rate was 25% higher than my house meter. It didn't matter that the garage was not for commercial purposes. I ended up upgrading my house meter and running 200A service to the garage from that. I can see the advantages of separate meter, but to me the KWh difference was the deciding factor.OI812 said:
I'm not sure what all you plan to do out there, but I think 60A service could be minimal also. I like the "err on the side of overkill" plan. My two cents: Do more now than you think you'll need so you aren't re-doing it later on down the road.
I had 100 amp from my house on my shop when I first built it. My welder was not doing it any good. I change to 200 amp seperate meter and have had no problems since. IMHO 60 Amp isn't going to get the job done with welders, lights, grinders, and air compressors.
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I like the size of that garage!!
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a462goat said:
If you plan on a lift someday I would keep the ceiling in the first bay at 14'.
If you decide to go with the heat in the floor, which I STRONGLY suggest, be sure to take plenty of pictures of the tube location. Definately plan ahead for things you may want to mount to the floor in the future ie ...lift, compressor or other shop equipment.
I understand cost is a concern however the tubing is fairly inexpensive and it's something you can install yourself. As mentioned earlier, you can add the heating unit later.
My father in law has the tubes in the floor of his garage and heats it with a 40 gal water heater...not some expensive boiler system. It's been working fine for over 14 years!
Oh... and did I mention... take LOTS of pictures of the tube locations!
I also agree 60 amps is not gonna be enough power!
I understand cost is a concern however the tubing is fairly inexpensive and it's something you can install yourself. As mentioned earlier, you can add the heating unit later.
My father in law has the tubes in the floor of his garage and heats it with a 40 gal water heater...not some expensive boiler system. It's been working fine for over 14 years!
Oh... and did I mention... take LOTS of pictures of the tube locations!
I also agree 60 amps is not gonna be enough power!
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OHEKK said:
I have the feeling you've experienced some setbacks due to tube locations!
Doors installed, concrete poured
I decided to NOT go with the radiant heating - not really necessary around these parts.
It looks much more like a shop with the doors on. I am glad I opted for the ones with the windows - I got insulated, much better quality doors.
I have decided to double my original plan and go with 125 amp service to the shop.
Gary
I decided to NOT go with the radiant heating - not really necessary around these parts.
It looks much more like a shop with the doors on. I am glad I opted for the ones with the windows - I got insulated, much better quality doors.
I have decided to double my original plan and go with 125 amp service to the shop.
Gary
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Big6Dad
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Sweet....Looks great with the doors on and I agree, good choice on having windows in the garage doors... What is the framing on the left outside for?
Dave
Dave
I am required to have monitored fire alarms, due to the size of the building, proximity to the neighbor, and distance to the nearest fire hydrant. I am going to fufil that requirement, and then disconnect them after the inspection is done.
After that, I am going to section off a large part of the shop - insulate, drywall, run mucho electrical outlets and lights. Also make custom workbench and cabinets.
Its going to be quite the job, I can't wait to get started. Until now, I have only made decisions and signed checks!
After that, I am going to section off a large part of the shop - insulate, drywall, run mucho electrical outlets and lights. Also make custom workbench and cabinets.
Its going to be quite the job, I can't wait to get started. Until now, I have only made decisions and signed checks!
Shawn F.
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That is a sweet looking shop you got there. I would love to have something like that! What was or is your estimated cost on just the building itself, the concrete and electrical?
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After getting an outragous quote from a electrician out of the phone book, I decided to go a different route. The concrete finisher was friends with an out of work union electrician, that I hired to do my electrical. The way to get around him not being a licensed electrical contractor was to get a "Homeowners electrical permit" that allows me or my employee to do the work. It still requires inspection before power can be turned on, or wires are buried. Saved me about $1,000, and the electrician also does drywall, so I will be looking him up in the future. Nice to finally have power in the shop.
After getting an outragous quote from a electrician out of the phone book, I decided to go a different route. The concrete finisher was friends with an out of work union electrician, that I hired to do my electrical. The way to get around him not being a licensed electrical contractor was to get a "Homeowners electrical permit" that allows me or my employee to do the work. It still requires inspection before power can be turned on, or wires are buried. Saved me about $1,000, and the electrician also does drywall, so I will be looking him up in the future. Nice to finally have power in the shop.
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Just a suggestion...
Before you proceed with drywall, consider insulating the walls and cover them with the same steel as on the outside of your building.
I did mine and it was cheaper, faster, cleaner and less labor intensive. Think about hanging the sheetrock, taping sanding painting ect.
The metal is up and done in one day! and cleanup is a breeze.
Before you proceed with drywall, consider insulating the walls and cover them with the same steel as on the outside of your building.
I did mine and it was cheaper, faster, cleaner and less labor intensive. Think about hanging the sheetrock, taping sanding painting ect.
The metal is up and done in one day! and cleanup is a breeze.
What about the ceiling?
Same thing...I used steel on the ceiling too!
My trusses were 9' apart so the ribbed panels spanned it just fine and did not sag.
It helped reflect the light too
then between two of the trusses, I boxed it in so I could raise a vehicle up between the trusses on a car lift
Same thing...I used steel on the ceiling too!
My trusses were 9' apart so the ribbed panels spanned it just fine and did not sag.
It helped reflect the light too
then between two of the trusses, I boxed it in so I could raise a vehicle up between the trusses on a car lift
ranger_dood
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Why would you disconnect your smoke detectors? Do you really want that nice garage to go up in smoke when you pull a hot car in and it catches some oil on fire or something? Doesn't make sense to me...
Luckydevil
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ranger_dood said:
I think he is going to leave them connected and working, just not monitored by an outside source like the city wants.
SK2003TypeS
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Sigh....yet another garage bigger than my house.... 
Kick A$$ Garage !!!
Kick A$$ Garage !!!
ranger_dood
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Luckydevil said:
Ah. Still, I'd rather them be monitored so that if I were away, someone would know about it before the building is suddenly a very large oven.