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I've been wondering the same thing.
 
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Interesting question.

I have no answer to your question, but only more questions.

Their stamps do look like Snap on Stamps (Kinda like old USA Made Kobalts when Williams made them).

What I am wondering is where they are made, the Made in USA/USA stamp is noticibly absent on the actual tools. Their point of orgin is not even mentioned by the seller.

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Since Snap on does own BAHCO, I wonder if they are being made by them. Quite a shell game tool companies can play. In the end, if the parent company is Snap on, a seller will say "MADE BY SNAP ON" simply for the goodwill.

Not saying this is for sure, but unless I was near a New Holland Dealer, I would not buy them. I don't even know where one is near me, in case I broke one.

I can always get my Craftsman, Snap on, K-D and MAC (When I can run the daler down) replaced very easily.

A set of 9 polished Craftsman regularly runs $59.00. When 11 pc of new holland are shipped to you for $86.00; I don't know if the value holds true.

If Snappy were to warranty them, I would definetely buy some myself.

All this being said though, they do look nice.

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Had a quick look a few months ago. Again did not see a made in the USA stamp or any stamp of made where. It was at a small implement dealer that did not have much in stock. My first thoughts looking at them was this a repeat of when Kobalt was made by Williams or maybe even one of the other companies that Snap on owned, BAHCO also crossed my mind.

New Holland is one of the brands sold after the merger between Case IH and Fiat which earlier bought out Ford tractor, but not long term rights to the name so they use the New Holland name which had even earlier merged with Ford Tractor. So you will need to be near where they have dealers. It is usually the Ag dealers (blue tractors or red and yellow machines out in front) who have tools vs the construction equipment dealers (yellow to yellowish brown machines out front). So unless you are in a rural enough area to have a dealer they may be hard to find. Most of the dealers I have been have not stocked the whole line of tools, it was usually just the common ones they could sell when someone came in for parts. Bigger implements are more likely to stock the whole line.

At least this is less frustrating than the "will Snap On to a rail" Ebay search.
 
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I can assure you Snap On doesn't advertise that they make New Holland
Tools. Snap On handles 100% of the New Holland tool program all the
tools
come directly from Snap On. There are only about 3 New Holland dealers
selling the tools on e-bay. You can call any New Holland dealer in the
United States or the world and they will tell you the same thing if
they
participate in the program.

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Thats the reply i got from the seller. Im gonna pick the set up, as i cant pass up $ 86 for this. Snappy equivalent set is over $ 300.
 
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m3transporter said:
I can assure you Snap On doesn't advertise that they make New Holland
Tools. Snap On handles 100% of the New Holland tool program all the
tools
come directly from Snap On. There are only about 3 New Holland dealers
selling the tools on e-bay. You can call any New Holland dealer in the
United States or the world and they will tell you the same thing if
they
participate in the program.

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Thats the reply i got from the seller. Im gonna pick the set up, as i cant pass up $ 86 for this. Snappy equivalent set is over $ 300.
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Well, The seller did not lie at all. I'm sure Snap on does not advertise this. They probably do handle 100% of their tool program, and I'm sure they come from Snap on (but at what point do the tools come to Snap On). Snap on most likely does use its vast distribution network to get their tools out....... But what does this all really say?

Anyway

Good luck to you. :)

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Blacknwhitepit said:
Well, The seller did not lie at all. I'm sure Snap on does not advertise this. They probably do handle 100% of their tool program, and I'm sure they come from Snap on (but at what point do the tools come to Snap On). Snap on most likely does use its vast distribution network to get their tools out....... But what does this all really say?

Anyway

Good luck to you. :)

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No idea. I emailed him and asked about warranty. I will keep you guys posted.
 
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If you already won them why would you not pay for them:headscrat :confused:
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I wondered that too. Just seems a little backwards to me, asking about the quality of wrenches AFTER you bought them.:headscrat
 
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You buy something, sight unseen, from an online auction site. You're not sure of the quality or even IF it can be returned after a failure.

Yet craftsman is out of the question?

I don't get it ...
 
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i checked out the selling prices of previous listing from that seller and a set of 1/2" shallow impact sockets goes for about $41. might have to try them for that price.
 
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I wouldn't worry about those wrenches. They will probably do everything you need and more. If it was me, I woulda just bought Craftsman though.
 
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You buy something, sight unseen, from an online auction site. You're not sure of the quality or even IF it can be returned after a failure.

Yet craftsman is out of the question?

I don't get it ...
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Craftsman quality has gone downhill over the years. I still have some old old craftsman tools that my dad bought years ago and they do hold up, but i do not like the new stuff..

No offense to any of the craftsman fanboys out there. I like my Snap-on stuff, im willing to try new brands once, so thats why i decided to try these wrenches. If they are made by Snap-on, great, if not, the'll probably still suit me just fine. For the amount of usage my SAE wrenches get, these will still probably outlast me, or last long enough until i dish out for a real Snap-on set.

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Craftsman quality has gone downhill over the years. I still have some old old craftsman tools that my dad bought years ago and they do hold up, but i do not like the new stuff..

No offense to any of the craftsman fanboys out there. I like my Snap-on stuff, im willing to try new brands once, so thats why i decided to try these wrenches. If they are made by Snap-on, great, if not, the'll probably still suit me just fine. For the amount of usage my SAE wrenches get, these will still probably outlast me, or last long enough until i dish out for a real Snap-on set.

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They look similar to blue point wrenches. And I agree with the craftsman comment.
 
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Here is something else to consider.

If you like things to say "Made by Snap on" but not "really" made by Snap on; these are right up your alley. The seller at least says they are made by Williams, and they are USA made.

Interestingly, the seller also says they are warrantied by your Snap on guy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=120105468344&rd=1&rd=1

P.S. IMHO The quality of Craftsman tools may be declining, but I have seen no such decline in their professional line of wrenches.

-BWP
 
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Blacknwhitepit said:
P.S. IMHO The quality of Craftsman tools may be declining, but I have seen no such decline in their professional line of wrenches.

-BWP
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I have to agree about the quality of Craftsman pro wrenches. I have them and use them everyday with nu complaints.
 
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3 comments actually.

1st sourced by Snap On Corporation does not mean the Snap On brand they have multiple brands. As a farmer we seldom ever looked at Snap On due to price, except for our main shop. We did use Snap On Corporation products though. So I know I just restated what others said, but on E-Bay it is buyer beware for these things.

Our local New Holland dealer is small, so some of what I have seen for sale after this thread started, I have not seen at our dealer. This means it would take some time for a replacement to be shipped to me. I am rural so, at least we have dealers, for other places if you buy these at a disposable price you will be OK vs thinking of the at times flawed Snap On replacement method and warranty.

On Craftsman. I had a great converstation with a retired friend a couple of days ago. He stated he had bought a Craftsman set when he left the military and was still using it. He told me what he paid, we translated the value of what he paid into today's dollars. Today's value of the dollars he spent was over $1,500 and possibly up to $1700. We then looked through my catalog and found the set most similar to what he had. It was regularly priced at $499 and I have seen it on sale at $425.

That is why regular Craftsman has changed to stay in the serious DIY market vs the serious DIY and professional market they were in. Additionally that is why they have Craftsman Pro which competes at a price just under what the old Craftsman used to be and is targetted at a market closer to what they used to sell to. The Craftsman Pro version of what he had purchased was around $1,000.

So given those figures and what I heard from many people who bought in the period of Craftsman quality everyone is talking about, Craftsman was not as affordable as they are today. They as I have been told were considered EXPENSIVE, though not the exhorbatant price of tool truck tools at that time.

So in country speak most Craftsman hand tools are a damm good deal especially for the serious DIYer. We use them along with Wright and Proto on the farms. We can afford to park tools on each machine.
 
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I don't think it really matters anymore. Sooner or later (probably sooner) all of the domestic manufacturers will cave to the attractiveness of cheap offshore labor and lax environmental restrictions.

Everything will be **** and nobody will care, or even remember how it used to be.
 
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Agree with lecroix comments, The companies market to two different groups today.

And as what I learned from some older friends, the older Craftsman quality came at a price. Used my parents sets liked them.

For eschoendorffs, Agree thanks for the groups like this. If we want to pay for it. Quality will remain. But we have to be willing to pay for it. The standard of how we want is, I want it now, I want it perfect, I want it free. Something has to give.
 
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Alright everyone, these came in today and are pretty damn nice. I wasn't expecting them to look this good. They are a little thicker than Snap-on's of the same size.

I'll post some pictures in a few minutes when i upload them.
 
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They aren't flankdrive like the Snap-On. Oh, and feel free to send me some of that cash, I have a box of Ridgid pipe wrenches that need a good home.
 
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They aren't flankdrive like the Snap-On. Oh, and feel free to send me some of that cash, I have a box of Ridgid pipe wrenches that need a good home.
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Oh really... i happen to need a few pipe wrenches... what do you have?
 
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Any indication of country of origin to help ID the plant that made them?
 
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They do look pretty nice. They seem similar to the Blue Point wrenchs, except polished with the NH logo. I think you got a great deal.
 
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:eyecrazy: What I find hard to believe is that you are selling these:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8917

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USA made MATCO's to be replaced by a set wrenches of unknown orgin. The $87 you spent could have completed the set. Albeit the NH wrenches look nice, so do the shiny ones at Harbor freight! :)


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P.S. But with all the cash you have on hand from the photo, maybe you buy a new car when the ashtrays get filled! :lol_hitti

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Blacknwhitepit said:
:eyecrazy: What I find hard to believe is that you are selling these:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8917

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USA made MATCO's to be replaced by a set wrenches of unknown orgin. The $87 you spent could have completed the set. Albeit the NH wrenches look nice, so do the shiny ones at Harbor freight! :)


:beer:

P.S. But with all the cash you have on hand from the photo, maybe you buy a new car when the ashtrays get filled! :lol_hitti

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Actually i found these after i paid for the new hollands. :bounce:
 
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^ I think they are worth the money.
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How does the New Holland wrenches compare with the Bahco wrenches which are also supposed to be made by a Snap On affiliate? :)
 
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How does the New Holland wrenches compare with the Bahco wrenches which are also supposed to be made by a Snap On affiliate? :)
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The New Holland wrenches look like overseas made Blue Point. EVERY modern day USA made tool is stamped. Thoes aren't. Blue Point only states where they are made on the packaging and in very tiny print. Also, 90% of the time, Blue Point is made by someone else (not snap on) and they just have the BP name added.

Bahco is made in the USA. I doubt they are made in the same foundry as Snap On, but they are made by a company that Snap On owns here in the states.
 
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