emeraldcoupe
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He’s loving it. I believe he said he hasn’t felt this alive in years. Waits until 3pm to start any outside projects.
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lol, that's me. early morning or late afternoon
Above 1200 Sq/FT New home, next chapter ....
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
lol, that's me. early morning or late afternoon
Danno1
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That looks nice. Does that type of finish stand up to weather? Or is it like paint on a house?
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shortykorte
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Looks good. I just wanted people to see my fine concrete work. 
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JCQuick
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Ya'll cracking me up with this heat talk wait till August. I hope Shorty had his Fla safety flops on
nadogail
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May you enjoy life in good health for many years.
This past week I started to re-do the front walk. Original owner had put down some widely spaced stepping stones and the lawn had started to consume them. Pulled the stones out and marked out where I wanted the new walkway. Started digging up the sod.
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shortykorte
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I’m glad my highly skilled experience in moving heavy electrical power components came in handy.
Best news is was it was a successfully safe move.
Walkway is going to be nice.
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MacTexas
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Just found this thread. I want to follow the garage build.
shortykorte
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Updates yes.
John got introduced to our lovely yellow jackets. I’m sure he’ll post when he’s back to normal.
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JCQuick
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Oh **** hope is is OK
Brian R
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Watching for updates with walk since I have some of that to do at my place.
I was lucky with stinging things but my friend wasn't. I parked my boat to clean and had a friend start hosing it down while I walked away to gather cleanear, bucket, scrub brushes, etc. Then he started yapping about something. Ran over and we realized I had parked the trailer right next to a ground hornet nest in some tree roots.
Hope you mend quickly.
I was lucky with stinging things but my friend wasn't. I parked my boat to clean and had a friend start hosing it down while I walked away to gather cleanear, bucket, scrub brushes, etc. Then he started yapping about something. Ran over and we realized I had parked the trailer right next to a ground hornet nest in some tree roots.
Hope you mend quickly.
As far as the planned new garage/shop building, After many unreturned calls, I found out the guy who put up some fencing for me also has a construction company. He offered to put together a bid to build what I wanted. 48x50x12 , stick framed, 2x6 16" OC, 1/2" ply sheathing, Hardie siding, 4:12 scissor trusses, 5/8" ply underlayment , standing seam concealed fastener metal roof, 6' tall concrete foundation wall along rear 48' , and stepping down as needed along both 50' sides. Set power panel w/minimal electricals required for code .I would supply and install garage doors and openers, entry doors, windows, insulation, drywall, plywood interior walls, full electrical.
His bid came in at $252,000.
Needless to say, I'm investigating other options. I may not get the building I really want, but I hope I can get what I need. I hate settling, but I might have to learn how to on this project.
His bid came in at $252,000.
Needless to say, I'm investigating other options. I may not get the building I really want, but I hope I can get what I need. I hate settling, but I might have to learn how to on this project.
Ouch...basically $100/sq ft and that's not done and you probably have another 30-50k of materials on your own dime to get it "finished"
No idea what exact building codes in your neck of FL are and how much extra is driven by hurricane codes, my thoughts would be:
-With record high lumber prices, it's a really bad time to stick build if you have other options and there is a lot of lumber in that building...may price out a steel building
-As you're aware...you spec'ed a pretty high end package there...can you cut back on the pretty and not cringe when looking out at it?
-Can you change up the layout to spread out the build/cost? Such as designing a carport/leantoo along one side but putting in the footers and maybe the slab so when you're ready can more easily finish and enclose? Really depends on the goals and workflow inside the building on if this is feasible
When we built a roughly 70 x 130 steel framed shop on the farm 5-ish years ago some were surprised with the layout of it as there was no room to "park" equipment in it which was a core difference in philosophy. It's a shop, not storage. We have plenty of places to put things out of way and under roof for storage/parking, but not enough space to actually work on them with the tools and equipment required. No idea how much of the space may be intended for more "storage" and less working, but if it's substantial is there a way to get that storage into a less expensive location
No idea what exact building codes in your neck of FL are and how much extra is driven by hurricane codes, my thoughts would be:
-With record high lumber prices, it's a really bad time to stick build if you have other options and there is a lot of lumber in that building...may price out a steel building
-As you're aware...you spec'ed a pretty high end package there...can you cut back on the pretty and not cringe when looking out at it?
-Can you change up the layout to spread out the build/cost? Such as designing a carport/leantoo along one side but putting in the footers and maybe the slab so when you're ready can more easily finish and enclose? Really depends on the goals and workflow inside the building on if this is feasible
When we built a roughly 70 x 130 steel framed shop on the farm 5-ish years ago some were surprised with the layout of it as there was no room to "park" equipment in it which was a core difference in philosophy. It's a shop, not storage. We have plenty of places to put things out of way and under roof for storage/parking, but not enough space to actually work on them with the tools and equipment required. No idea how much of the space may be intended for more "storage" and less working, but if it's substantial is there a way to get that storage into a less expensive location
Mainiac Mat
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that's a fine looking house
I get what you're saying loganb , but my dislike for settling for less is what got me where I was in both of my careers. "Good enough" has not been in my vocabulary. Now here I am in the later years of my life looking at the possibility of having to settle for just good enough. Not GOOD, just good enough. I'm still looking at options. I appreciate your input.
Thank you Maniac Mat. The design of the house is very nice . The floorplan is even better. The execution is poor. For most people, this house would be very acceptable. But after 35 years of not compromising on customers' homes, I can't accept compromise on mine. I am gradually replacing and upgrading. Full new kitchen, new master bath vanities, all new light fixtures.
I get it and expected that would be the reply based on your prior projects and I'll be following along to see what you come up with.
Time, scope and cost....one of those has to be most important...and one has to be least....all depends on our own personal calculus of what's important and makes us feel good!
oldtimehockey
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The walkway came out great, Toolfool...nice and clean. I know you'll make the right decision when it comes to building your new shop. Hope all are doing well. I'll be following this thread as it all unfolds.
meathooker
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House looks great. The shop pricing demonstrates sound too out of line - but idaho is crazy expensive these days so I’m jaded.
If you don’t mind me asking why the move to FL? To me it’s one of those states I see on the news (crazy crime, bad weather, heat, humidity) and I think to myself “why does anyone choose to live there?!”
If you don’t mind me asking why the move to FL? To me it’s one of those states I see on the news (crazy crime, bad weather, heat, humidity) and I think to myself “why does anyone choose to live there?!”
Dang John, this is the first time catching this thread. The place is gorgeous bud and hopefully you can figure out an equitable solution for your shop. With lumber stupid pricy have you looked into a red iron frame and facade that could match the house?
Hi Cam. I have been looking at the alternatives. Seems everything is going up at light speeds. Spoke with a spec builder who purchases materials on a global scale. He said that in the last 60 days truss prices have risen 216%, and framing lumber 150%. He purchases windows thousands at a time and the suppliers can only fill one third of his order. Also spoke with a few red iron companies. Their prices weren't too bad, but erectors want $7 - $8 per square foot. And I'm at the point of not caring about matching the house, I just need garage and shop space.
shortykorte
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Meathooker, it is terrible place. You forgot bugs that sting, snakes, gators, etc. People would be better off moving to California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts.
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rmack898
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John if you decide to go metal, I'll give you the contact info for the manufacturer I bought from. If you need a crew to erect it, I think we know a few guys with some experience.
Thanks Mac. I spoke with three different red iron companies (one in Adel,GA). All refused to make an effort to set me up with a former customer to view a finished product. I'd be having it erected by their people, can't do it alone, and not willing to take months to get the building up.
cbacres
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John, a while back I spoke with Rhino steel buildings, they gave me about three buildings to go look at.
Thanks Craig. I did get a quote from Rhino a while ago. After receiving the huge stick-frame quote, red iron was my next option. My property has some slope, about 5' - 6' from back to front in the shop site, requiring either a retaining wall or concrete foundation. If I go retaining wall, it will greatly reduce the potential size of my building, having to be contained inside the retaining wall area. I moved on to tubular steel since, in my view, they could be designed to be built on top of a concrete foundation that would step down to follow the slope of the property, much like stick-framed. Turns out this concept of designing sections of wall at different heights is thinking too far outside the box for the tubular steel companies I've been talking to. I even met with a guy in Lake City whose company does 4000 tubular steel buildings a year. He's affiliated with Carport Central, who does all the advertising, engineering, billing, customer service for thousands of companies like his all across the country. He just manufactures and installs. He liked the idea of my plan, which would make them the only company to offer the stepped option, but it's up to the engineering dept.. When I spoke with Carport Central, they said, sure we can build on top of a stem wall. It took 20 minutes to get him to understand what I'm really asking for, to which he said, Oh no, we don't do that. I asked why not. He said it would be too involved. So, I keep looking.
cbacres
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The red iron companies can do a short wall to set on a stem wall.
The only thing that would stick out would be the columns that free span the building, but they stick out anyway.
I don’t know how high of a retaining wall you need, but what about carrying the wall around three sides?
The end walls could sit on top.
It’d just take some engineering.
The building were in at work has a 8-10’ tall block wall with metal finishing the top half.
The only thing that would stick out would be the columns that free span the building, but they stick out anyway.
I don’t know how high of a retaining wall you need, but what about carrying the wall around three sides?
The end walls could sit on top.
It’d just take some engineering.
The building were in at work has a 8-10’ tall block wall with metal finishing the top half.
I guess I don't explain this properly. Everyone keeps saying "stem wall". A concrete wall that's 6 FEET tall across the entire back wall , then gradually "steps" down from 6 FEET tall to zero, two feet each step, is not a stem wall. It is a foundation wall. Not one of these companies has been willing to even discuss the possibility of building their product this way. And it's only a stupid waste of money to pour a 6 FOOT tall concrete wall around three sides of a 46' x 50' building. I realize they have designed their product to be as efficient and profitable as possible and changing plans might not be so profitable.
Part of my requirement is to be able to garage my four vehicles across the garage space, being able to drive any one at any time without jockeying vehicles around. Therefore, if I can't build a MINIMUM of 46' across, it's not worth doing, I won't be happy with it. Everyone has their own expectations and standards.
Part of my requirement is to be able to garage my four vehicles across the garage space, being able to drive any one at any time without jockeying vehicles around. Therefore, if I can't build a MINIMUM of 46' across, it's not worth doing, I won't be happy with it. Everyone has their own expectations and standards.
